Anyone tried the "new" UFO LED lights that HTG supply is selling?

Dezracer

Dezracer

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I am currently using a 400W HPS setup with a sealed hood and am interested in these LED lights as they draw a shitload less power and HTG claims they produce the same or better results than a 400W HID lamp. Another thing making them attractive to me is they create less heat so it'll be easier to maintain cooler temps during the summer months.

Here's a link to the light I'm asking about. They have some panels that are supposed to be equivalent to the 600W and 1000W HPS lamps too.

http://www.htgsupply.com/growlights.asp?categoryID=1&subcategoryID=168&typeID=82

Any comments, advice or opinions are welcome...
 
Dezracer

Dezracer

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I was thinking of getting two of them and sticking them in my flower room in place of my 400.

Anybody? I'm not being a smartass here, just bumping the thread to keep it on page 1 for a bit if I can.
 
jawbrodt

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I'm not sure about that model you're talking about, but, I confronted HTG(in person) about their claims on their LEDs, and told them that I was going to be really fucked off if I spent that much money on their 126 watt LED, and it didn't do what they claimed it'd do. So, when I finally got him, to confess, the truth came out.......

....in order to outperform a 600 watt HPS, you'll need almost 600 watts of LED. So, I can safely tell you, that you'll need AT LEAST two of those UFOs, probably 3-4, to beat a 400 HPS. No BS, I got that right from one of the head guys at HTG, after a little intimidation, on my part. Grr... :razz:
 
Dezracer

Dezracer

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Thanks for the input. It sounds like it would still save some $$ in the long run though. If it took 4 units it would be a while though before it paid off...
 
Hydrochronics

Hydrochronics

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LED technology is still growing.... like everything else in the world it takes time for humans to master something...... look at it this way. if you new that a flat screen 1080p tv was coming out in three years would you have bought the heavy as fuck sony vega tube???? no........ so be carful right now with led's. If anything i would go with glowpanels, they are cheap and you can get an idea of how to use leds at a low wattage and a low cost. it is only a matter of time that HID's are replaced.
 
Hydrochronics

Hydrochronics

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something that only gives you 5% light and 95% heat byproduct, has got to go. and right now thats the best we got. LED's are only 20% light efficient as far as electricity use. but last time i checked 5 is better then 20

Bottom line, unless you got money to use and dont mind, WAIT for LED's
 
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daviaces

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i have been looking for led info as well ,must say this site has very few good led grows on it and a somewhat negative attitude towards led lights
on another 2 forums i have found a lot of sucessfull led grows and a more positive attitude towards them.(im not dissing this site just stating what i see)
lot of growers getting 1g/watt from them or very near to it
even newbie growers pulling 0.8 /0.9 with em on first grows
it seems important to do your reaserch before buying one find the right company to get em from and they work good (cheap chinese round ones aint gonna really do it)
some of claims made by the led companys were just daft to begin with but they are learning and improving the lights and theyre claims

leds are the future of small scale grows for sure just a matter of time
 
feva

feva

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yo i talked to the guy at my htg store about the led also and like jawbrodt said, he said good for suplamental lighting but the intensity just isnt there if you want 600 watts you best get 600 true watts.
 
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daviaces

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600w led vs 600w hps (probally draws 650 to 660w not to mention added w for cooling) led s should win easy (in horizontal)comparison test just upfront costs that are problem for most ,couldnt first crop pay for that easy ?

with new led light growers have still to really dial in systems and methods when that happens we will really see theyre uses
 
Dezracer

Dezracer

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I agree with daviaces here in that if you have a 600W LED fixture, it will draw 600W. If you have a 600W HID fixture, it will draw in the neighborhood of 660W and then you have to run an exhaust fan of some sort so your actual power consumption and cost will be always higher with HID lamps and 600W of LED should be equal to or better than the 600W HID.

The problem is the 600W LED setup will cost much more than the 600W HID one up front. Like a LOT MORE...

I was just curious about the claims that are being made by HTG on these so called "new" ones.

Thanks everyone for your input on this. It's greatly appreciated.
 
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daviaces

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just finished reading a 29page comparison grow by experienced grower
pm me if anyone wants a link to it
The LEDs using 465 watts produced 406.9 g (10 plants)
The HPS using 485 watts produced 204.6 g (12 plants)
the grower sais he could/should of yielded more with hps but results speak for themselves and has now put 400hps (485 actual drain)away in cupboard and had now replaced with 345w led
 
Hydrochronics

Hydrochronics

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daviaces said:
600w led vs 600w hps (probally draws 650 to 660w not to mention added w for cooling) led s should win easy (in horizontal)comparison test just upfront costs that are problem for most ,couldnt first crop pay for that easy ?

with new led light growers have still to really dial in systems and methods when that happens we will really see theyre uses
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He is RIGHT!..........

daviaces said:
i have been looking for led info as well ,must say this site has very few good led grows on it and a somewhat negative attitude towards led lights
on another 2 forums i have found a lot of sucessfull led grows and a more positive attitude towards them.(im not dissing this site just stating what i see)
lot of growers getting 1g/watt from them or very near to it
even newbie growers pulling 0.8 /0.9 with em on first grows
it seems important to do your reaserch before buying one find the right company to get em from and they work good (cheap chinese round ones aint gonna really do it)
some of claims made by the led companys were just daft to begin with but they are learning and improving the lights and theyre claims

leds are the future of small scale grows for sure just a matter of time
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And the reason for this is because RIU is the best site for advice. it might not be the best grow show but if you look hard enough you can find the truth here. trust me. I use 9 glowpanel 45watt LED panels, one in between each of my 1000w hps and im telling you right now. they work, but not even close to the HID's...... its just the way it is... in two years or so, if possible, i would love to replace with ALL LED but right now they are worth shit unless you use as sub or for clones and small moms
 
Hydrochronics

Hydrochronics

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daviaces said:
just finished reading a 29page comparison grow by experienced grower
pm me if anyone wants a link to it
The LEDs using 465 watts produced 406.9 g (10 plants)
The HPS using 485 watts produced 204.6 g (12 plants)
the grower sais he could/should of yielded more with hps but results speak for themselves and has now put 400hps (485 actual drain)away in cupboard and had now replaced with 345w led
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means nothing..... its one report of millions...... i have seem with my own eyes the comparison of cost to results and unless you have alot of money for the technology...... you are better off doing HID's the right way..... its is more rewarding.... but to each his own.....


and dont forget the grow industry is BOOMING right now and there are alot of people trying to rape people who are new comers to make them think they are part of the "NEW WAVE" of growing...... be carful....

ITS JUST LIKE IPHONE4....... They rushed them out because everyone wants something new, but in reality 3GS is still better because they rushed.........

Im not saying that people dont do GREAT with LED, im just saying be careful on spending tons of cash on something were not positive about yet :/
 
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daviaces

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yeh totally agree about being carefull with initial purchase ,(seen many led" ufo" grows unfinished )
but as time goes on im seeing more good finished led grows

i have been researching these leds for a while now and am going to purchase one soon (def not a ebay 90w ufo)

so when i decide what company/model im getting i will run a grow journal on this site documenting my success/failure
 
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blastjuice

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From my experiences any LED light system that uses Less then 2 watts per LED bulb works well for supplemental lighting. 2 Watt per LED bulb will keep a small mother plant, clones, seedlings pretty happy. The SUPER EXPENSIVE 3 watt LED bulbs are just starting to hold there own with HPS bulbs. My buddy uses a combination of HPS and the varying LED bulbs. In Time the cost will decrease.
 
Dezracer

Dezracer

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Yeah from what I can tell by the info gathered here and a couple other sites it seems the Lumigrow setups are pretty good. The downfall to them is the initial cost. They are EXPENSIVE...

I'll be sticking with HPS for now is what I've decided. Thank everyone who chimed in on this for me, you might have saved me some money.
 
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