AP: US terrorism alert warns of politically motivated violence.

Fogdog

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Interesting thought, though I wonder if it isn't our fault, the voters. Do we vote them into office for the good our the country, or for our own personal gain or the gain of a party?
Not my fault that Republicans are obstructing justice and threatening US-democracy. I've never voted for a Republican and I've been standing alongside others in opposition to Trump's Proud Boys for years now. Republicans are the greatest danger to our democracy at this time. Lock them up.

But do continue to ask why you voted them into office think about your own fault in this and I hope that your shame will open your mind.
 

Rob Roy

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Interesting thought, though I wonder if it isn't our fault, the voters. Do we vote them into office for the good our the country, or for our own personal gain or the gain of a party?
Voting is mostly reflexive and misguided. Basically it's founded in an absurdity and a lie.

It assumes an impossibility can be made possible by virtue of a magical democratic process.

It is impossible for an individual to delegate a right to a "representative" or group of people that claim to have the right to govern that he./she/whatever (the voter) doesn't possess. The only thing an individual can rightfully delegate is a right they DO possess.

Therefore things that an individual isn't supposed to do (because they don't have the right to do it) can't somehow magically appear when a group of people try to wish them or vote into existence.

For example, I have no right whatsoever to run others lives as long as they aren't trying to run mine etc. How then could I (if I engaged in voting) delegate that nonexistent right to a representative to make laws that will end up running others lives even when those affected aren't violating anyone's rights? It is an impossibility and leads to many false assumptions, not to mention emboldens the soft slavery most people in the world live under. Fuck that.
 

Rob Roy

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Not my fault that Republicans are obstructing justice and threatening US-democracy. I've never voted for a Republican and I've been standing alongside others in opposition to Trump's Proud Boys for years now. Republicans are the greatest danger to our democracy at this time. Lock them up.

But do continue to ask why you voted them into office think about your own fault in this and I hope that your shame will open your mind.
There is no real difference in how a Republican or Democrat uses government to violate other peoples rights though. They sometimes violate them in different ways, that's all. Voters are the greatest danger to individual freedom and peace at this time.
 

Rob Roy

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isn't it against the law for Militias to take over a town? aren't they terrorist org?

couldn't get Greater Idaho from the east take it from the west
It all depends on how you define "terrorist" .

If armed men with badges showed up at your house to steal your garden that might be "lawful" but still an act of terrorism right?

If armed men with badges showed up to steal your house because you didn't want to support many of the things those armed men and their bosses do, would that be terrorism ?
 

garybo

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Voting is mostly reflexive and misguided. Basically it's founded in an absurdity and a lie.

It assumes an impossibility can be made possible by virtue of a magical democratic process.

It is impossible for an individual to delegate a right to a "representative" or group of people that claim to have the right to govern that he./she/whatever (the voter) doesn't possess. The only thing an individual can rightfully delegate is a right they DO possess.

Therefore things that an individual isn't supposed to do (because they don't have the right to do it) can't somehow magically appear when a group of people try to wish them or vote into existence.

For example, I have no right whatsoever to run others lives as long as they aren't trying to run mine etc. How then could I (if I engaged in voting) delegate that nonexistent right to a representative to make laws that will end up running others lives even when those affected aren't violating anyone's rights? It is an impossibility and leads to many false assumptions, not to mention emboldens the soft slavery most people in the world live under. Fuck that.
Voting is a right to choose, for those who don't, well its their personal decision.
 

Rob Roy

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Voting is a right to choose, for those who don't, well its their personal decision.
Except voting is almost always a kind of false dichotomy.

In a real choice, the option for otherwise peaceful people of not being ruled would exist.

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Rob Roy

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I would rather hear it from you.
It's a matter of degrees. Hard slavery versus soft slavery with corn syrup, ice cream and lockdowns.

In both situations actual freedom is absent. In both situations actual peace is disturbed and or molested.
 

garybo

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It's a matter of degrees. Hard slavery versus soft slavery with corn syrup, ice cream and lockdowns.

In both situations actual freedom is absent. In both situations actual peace is disturbed and or molested.
Are there greener pastures elsewhere?
 

Rob Roy

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Are there greener pastures elsewhere?
It all depends on what makes your individual pasture green. It's less of a place and more of a state of mind first.

People are largely livestock and sometimes it's easy to fool or distract them.

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garybo

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It all depends on what makes your individual pasture green. It's less of a place and more of a state of mind first.

People are largely livestock and sometimes it's easy to fool or distract them.

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I read about a Russian, don't remember for sure but think it was Stalin. Anyway this guy was with his generals in a room with chickens and took out a weapon and killed one of chickens. This caused the others to scatter. He then reached in his pocket took out a handful of corn and through it on the ground. The scattered chicks came back to eat.
He then told the generals this is how to treat the people, control with a firm hand, but give them a few scraps of food to keep them satisfied.
Are you satisfied?
 

Fogdog

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isn't it against the law for Militias to take over a town? aren't they terrorist org?

couldn't get Greater Idaho from the east take it from the west
What that article said is they are trying to use intimidation to suppress the vote in order to establish an authoritarian minority government. Just like Republicans at the national level.

I don't think it will work but I have to admit that it's the only way Trump type Republicans could rule on Whidbey Island. Maybe they are practicing, just like they practiced mob violence in Salem Or prior to the Jan 6 attack on our nation.
 

schuylaar

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What that article said is they are trying to use intimidation to suppress the vote in order to establish an authoritarian minority government. Just like Republicans at the national level.

I don't think it will work but I have to admit that it's the only way Trump type Republicans could rule on Whidbey Island. Maybe they are practicing, just like they practiced mob violence in Salem Or prior to the Jan 6 attack on our nation.
they're commandeering.
 

Rob Roy

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I read about a Russian, don't remember for sure but think it was Stalin. Anyway this guy was with his generals in a room with chickens and took out a weapon and killed one of chickens. This caused the others to scatter. He then reached in his pocket took out a handful of corn and through it on the ground. The scattered chicks came back to eat.
He then told the generals this is how to treat the people, control with a firm hand, but give them a few scraps of food to keep them satisfied.
Are you satisfied?
That's an interesting story. I have a garden and some chickens, and prefer not to be dependent on the likes of Josef Stalin or Josef Biden.

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