Aquarium water=fish emulsion?

retardigraded

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I've used water from my fish tank for MJ but it was when I first started growing so I really didn't know wtf I was doing. I did find that my plants seemed to like it better when I did tank water every other watering. I'd love to see your results with this because I want to try this method again after I learn how to grow better with regular nutes. Good luck!
 

BLACKMESSIAH7

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Using fishtank water as a nutrient source = aquaponics. I've used it and it works.
Peace. Indeed I have heard of this term and I am still unsure. You are the first that I have heard that used it (that I can actually hear from) and I will use the new found info as well as confidence and try it out. Any info that you may have to further help me would be appreciated. Thanks for the concrete proof and I am eager to hear how exactly you did it.


Be Safe......

Peace and plus rep.......
 

BLACKMESSIAH7

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I've used water from my fish tank for MJ but it was when I first started growing so I really didn't know wtf I was doing. I did find that my plants seemed to like it better when I did tank water every other watering. I'd love to see your results with this because I want to try this method again after I learn how to grow better with regular nutes. Good luck!

PEACE. I will gather all the knowledge that I acn on it and once I have done such I will use it and share the experience with you all to learn as I did. Thanks for the concern. BE SAFE...................


PEACE
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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I water exclusively using aquarium water & it works like a charm. I doubt that the water by itself will be able to correct a def in your plants. I would think that N would be the most prominent element in this water.

I must have missed the security problem associated with RIU - enlighten me please.
Thanks,
GWN
 

400Whps

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i plan on just using it on young plants i think(after their first2-3 weeks)
everything i do will be safe, i dont have the grow at my house
its small just so my friend and I have free trees'
I heard of sticky mango and it sucks ,not like he grew poppies or anthrax....lol
 

retardigraded

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Hi again: I did a little googling on using aquarium water for normal house plants. A lot of people use them for their outdoor gardens, but some people even use them for finicky plants like orchids. Most people say that if you are good about changing your tank water your plants will be fine. Other people will siphon the actual fish poo and dump that on their plants, so the water change frequency wouldn't really matter. Most of 'em say the concentration is low enough to water it every day, so some supplemental fertilization may be needed, just keep an eye on your plants and see what works for you I guess.

Also one person said don't water your plants if you've medicated your tank or put algae killers in there but they also said not to water your plants if you've used ph up or ph down, which is funny because people on the forums here use them all the time. I know most fish meds are toxic but I'm not sure about algaecides. Something to think about.

Here's the two sites I found most helpful:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/houseplants/113078

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/aquarium/msg0410485631938.html

The last site has a post that says some clones root better if you poke a hole in a piece of cork and float 'em in your fishtank. The water is already oxygenated so it helps your cuttings grow. I might try that sometime.
 

qptyqpty

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If you can run your tank on a natural cycle, you could theoretically have organic material with anaerobic/aerobic bacteria, nitrates, phosphates, ammonia, and other trace minerals, but keep in mind the filtration, if using activated carbon, is absorbing any nutes suspended in the water. There is only so much in the layer of substrate you are using. Once disturbed, you will see the dark layers in sand or between rocks, and perhaps bubbles of gas. If your tank is planted and you use miracle mud/peat etc with fresh/marine algae refugium, you can produce a nearly controlled environment of kelp, chaetomorpha, and various living organisms in a seperate unit which acts as a living filter. This explanation is probably fragmented but im high.

I believe under normal circumstances, wastewater from a goldfish bowl would not really be all that beneficial, but better than nothing. However, if you were a serious aquatic grower and understood how the entire ecological cycle worked, you could create yet another use for your refugium. Or perhaps if you grew shrimp as a farm job... the sludge would be great for outdoor plants.

I also would not use water from any tank that has any chemicals such as Start-Right, any type of Chelated Copper medication, algicide, or ick-rid. I wouldnt want to put it in my body so I wouldnt want to put it in my plants either, especially since it is still going into my lungs.

add: I have taken care of a lot of marine and freshwater aquariums, including breeding discus, a tidal marine aquarium and a shelf reef that were completely self-sustaining, including feeding, pH balancing, nutrient regulation, foodstock production, and waste management (though I dont think I needed to, I still changed 1/3 water every 2 weeks. Its always good to get fresh air.)

The benefits of recreating the ecological cycle is that once to connect the ends, its amazing to see what goes on at every level. I like the idea of the use of tarantula, pirhanna, etc in hydro solutions because beneficial as well as detrimental bacterias are necessary in proper growth, be it plant, animal, or human. If we took care of ourselves and each other as well as we take care of the plants, we would be as healthy as some of our plants.
 

BLACKMESSIAH7

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If you can run your tank on a natural cycle, you could theoretically have organic material with anaerobic/aerobic bacteria, nitrates, phosphates, ammonia, and other trace minerals, but keep in mind the filtration, if using activated carbon, is absorbing any nutes suspended in the water. There is only so much in the layer of substrate you are using. Once disturbed, you will see the dark layers in sand or between rocks, and perhaps bubbles of gas. If your tank is planted and you use miracle mud/peat etc with fresh/marine algae refugium, you can produce a nearly controlled environment of kelp, chaetomorpha, and various living organisms in a seperate unit which acts as a living filter. This explanation is probably fragmented but im high.

I believe under normal circumstances, wastewater from a goldfish bowl would not really be all that beneficial, but better than nothing. However, if you were a serious aquatic grower and understood how the entire ecological cycle worked, you could create yet another use for your refugium. Or perhaps if you grew shrimp as a farm job... the sludge would be great for outdoor plants.

I also would not use water from any tank that has any chemicals such as Start-Right, any type of Chelated Copper medication, algicide, or ick-rid. I wouldnt want to put it in my body so I wouldnt want to put it in my plants either, especially since it is still going into my lungs.

add: I have taken care of a lot of marine and freshwater aquariums, including breeding discus, a tidal marine aquarium and a shelf reef that were completely self-sustaining, including feeding, pH balancing, nutrient regulation, foodstock production, and waste management (though I dont think I needed to, I still changed 1/3 water every 2 weeks. Its always good to get fresh air.)

The benefits of recreating the ecological cycle is that once to connect the ends, its amazing to see what goes on at every level. I like the idea of the use of tarantula, pirhanna, etc in hydro solutions because beneficial as well as detrimental bacterias are necessary in proper growth, be it plant, animal, or human. If we took care of ourselves and each other as well as we take care of the plants, we would be as healthy as some of our plants.

PEACE. THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR AND I ENJOY & RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME OUT TO ANSWER IN AN INTELLIGENT AND KNOWLEDGEABLE MANNER:clap::clap:

ALL OF YOU DESERVE TO BE REPPED AND I THINK I GOT YOU ALL. TRULY APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES AND THE ASSISTANCE/HELP.

I have used the fish tank water that I have had and it hasn't shown anything yet.:neutral:. But I will remain optimistic because of the knowledge that you all have shared with me. The plants are in a flowering stage and nearing the middle to end. I know that some defic is natural but they are and have been defic for a minute before this time. I have no filter in the bowl (just a glass bowl with water and rocks/pebbles and a plastic plant) and I cut it with a half gallon of water from the tap, 7.0. The one that I had used it on was one that was still mostly green and not really yellowing as of yet. It eventually started to show earlier today a bit of yellowing, but I only gave them the nutes ( organic mix of grow and bloom nutes on one and the other I put only the bloom nutes and fish water) yesterday and I believe organic nutes to take a minute before they take hold.

Anyway thanks for the advice and the knowledge and plus rep brother( or sister IDK:mrgreen:).

:leaf::leaf:PEACE:leaf::leaf:
 

ZeroRR

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PEACE thanks for the advice and plus rep. I will look into it in the near futre when funds are right.






:leaf::leaf:PEACE:leaf::leaf:

I also use well pond water. I have a Koi pond they get the best balanced diet I can find. But i frequently use water from there especially in grow. Just do it cause I like you thought it was a good idea. No problems great green:) Good luck!
 

retardigraded

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if using activated carbon, is absorbing any nutes suspended in the water
Carbon won't absorb nitrogenous wastes, just stuff like heavy metals (lead, etc.) and medication. It also does not absorb trace elements that your plants needs. Zeolite, the stuff that looks like little white rocks, will absorb ammonia and nitrogenous wastes though, the brand name is ammo-carb or something like that. If you are just using water out of your fish bowl you don't even need to worry :)

I agree with the chemicals, except maybe the start right. Most of the quick cycle chemicals you use to start your aquarium are just beneficial bacteria in suspended form, which won't hurt your plants. I never had any luck with that store bought bacteria stuff, btw.

At the bottom of this page is a chart that explains what chemicals carbon does and does not absorb:
http://www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2009/10/activated-carbon.html
 

S0UR P0W3r

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throw an air pump on the outside of your tank and some airstones and actually throw some straight up fish in that bitch. bubbleponics with fish shit would be dank
 

fallinghigh

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there has been some good responses in here I would just like to add my 2 cents in, fk it2 dimes cause I can make it fkn rhyme.

Aquaponics has a few steps

1) fish shits high in nitrate not good for plants

2) fish shit water goes through a living bio filter

3) beneficial bacteria in the biofilter convert nitrates to nitrites good for plants (may be visa versa, but i am no scientist) but it is nitrogen conversion that is taking place in the biofilter

4) gold fish and some other types of fish may contain salmonella, a type of fish called tilapia is often used, do to its high resistance to "shity water" and they can be packed in there tight

the main thing is that without a biofilter you will be feeding your plants ammonia basically.
 

Twistedfunk

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You can use it purely as a nutrient source and have hydroton or whatever as a medium. I've grown plants like this from seed till harvest with no deficiencies and no other source of nutrients. My reservoir was my unfiltered goldfish pond + turtle. Now, I'm using soil as a medium but still using the pondwater as a nutrient source for every watering. I've started using molasses in addition to the pondwater and only going pure pondwater every third watering and they are looking like the best plants yet.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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there has been some good responses in here I would just like to add my 2 cents in, fk it2 dimes cause I can make it fkn rhyme.

Aquaponics has a few steps

1) fish shits high in nitrate not good for plants

2) fish shit water goes through a living bio filter

3) beneficial bacteria in the biofilter convert nitrates to nitrites good for plants (may be visa versa, but i am no scientist) but it is nitrogen conversion that is taking place in the biofilter

4) gold fish and some other types of fish may contain salmonella, a type of fish called tilapia is often used, do to its high resistance to "shity water" and they can be packed in there tight

the main thing is that without a biofilter you will be feeding your plants ammonia basically.
You tell the girls that its bad water.
GWN
 

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BLACKMESSIAH7

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You tell the girls that its bad water.
GWN

PEACE GWN. YEAH the girls are looking lovely. Even still be considerate of the new knowledge and just share yours. On here EVERYONE'S OPINION COUNTS. That's why I started the thread to learn from what everyone else was doing and if it would be a good or bad thing. I can't argue with results or science and so I accept each point of view and take the best or most useful part out for myself.

I would give you a rep again for the pic of the girls. Your set-up is very clean and beautifully kept. I'm sure that they , or any other plants that you start there, will thrive and grow beautifully as well. Just bear in mind that ALL knowledge can be useful to you and that may as well. If you were to have a nute problem or a defic of some kind in the near future (hypothetically of course I wish no ill grows on anyone) the info that you just shunned may be of some help. Not trying to get on you 'cause you really didn't do anything disrespectful, I just want you to utilize all that you can from the info about what you deal with. Let's all learn and grow.


How 'bout this....Since this watering method HAS proven successful for you now or in the past, why not pass on the knowledge and share EXACTLY how you administered it and all. Teach Us who don't know what you have hands on knowledge about. Great pics and keep it SAFE AND GREEN

:leaf::leaf:PEACE:leaf::leaf:
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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PEACE GWN. YEAH the girls are looking lovely. Even still be considerate of the new knowledge and just share yours. On here EVERYONE'S OPINION COUNTS. That's why I started the thread to learn from what everyone else was doing and if it would be a good or bad thing. I can't argue with results or science and so I accept each point of view and take the best or most useful part out for myself.

I would give you a rep again for the pic of the girls. Your set-up is very clean and beautifully kept. I'm sure that they , or any other plants that you start there, will thrive and grow beautifully as well. Just bear in mind that ALL knowledge can be useful to you and that may as well. If you were to have a nute problem or a defic of some kind in the near future (hypothetically of course I wish no ill grows on anyone) the info that you just shunned may be of some help. Not trying to get on you 'cause you really didn't do anything disrespectful, I just want you to utilize all that you can from the info about what you deal with. Let's all learn and grow.


How 'bout this....Since this watering method HAS proven successful for you now or in the past, why not pass on the knowledge and share EXACTLY how you administered it and all. Teach Us who don't know what you have hands on knowledge about. Great pics and keep it SAFE AND GREEN

:leaf::leaf:PEACE:leaf::leaf:
Youre right, but was not trying to be disrespectful of any ones opinion or method - perhaps just feeling frisky.
My grow is simple, almost 100% organic. Subcools super soil recipe (slightly modified) is my media and I use water from my 90 gal cichlid tank exclusively, I don't worry about chlorine with that method and know I'm receiving plenty of trace nutrients. I have two filters running on the tank, and use two powerheads circulating an undergravel bio bed.
I add Molasses, bat guano, super thrive & old age grow (for veg) or old age bloom (for flower). I PH to 6.5 and results have been phenomenal.
Again, not trying to twist anyones shorts - just showing whats possible.
GWN
 

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BLACKMESSIAH7

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Youre right, but was not trying to be disrespectful of any ones opinion or method - perhaps just feeling frisky.
My grow is simple, almost 100% organic. Subcools super soil recipe (slightly modified) is my media and I use water from my 90 gal cichlid tank exclusively, I don't worry about chlorine with that method and know I'm receiving plenty of trace nutrients. I have two filters running on the tank, and use two powerheads circulating an undergravel bio bed.
I add Molasses, bat guano, super thrive & old age grow (for veg) or old age bloom (for flower). I PH to 6.5 and results have been phenomenal.
Again, not trying to twist anyones shorts - just showing whats possible.
GWN
AND I RESPECT THAT. Great pic too I wish I had a room like that. I gotta grow in a homemade grow box that is perpetually hot . Thanks for the info The results speak for themselves. Again I would rep you but I have to spread some first so take this instead...
kiss-ass..LOL:mrgreen:

:joint::joint:PEACE:joint::joint:
 

fallinghigh

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You tell the girls that its bad water.
GWN

could you elaborate on your setup, you are using a hot organic soil mix correct, and do you have a filter in your aquarium, are perhaps lazy and never clean it, and or the rocks creating a natural bio filter without you knowing it?
possible? or do you have only fish in a res" which I have done btw, the hydrotron in the plant containers acted as mini bio filters. At first Few fish and more nutes " floramato from G H " then slowly added more fish once the rocks got stable and less nutes about 50%in the end.this was tricky to pull off btw,and I ended up taking cuts of the tomatoes rooted them in the res and found out cutting of tomatoes put out deadly poision toxions that killed all the fish out. Krazzy hu

anyways I am right But if you have a good soil mix then the microbes in the soil are converting the nitrogen the same as a bio filter would. I Have A pound and a river both have good water but nethier is anything close to a strong enough solution for hydroponics.


aquaponics: is fish, water, plants,and a soil less medium :hydro with fish shit as your nutes
 
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