Are we entering the Post-Cognitive Age?

DiogenesTheWiser

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Much food for thought here.

Most people have been conditioned to consider thinking a chore, something to be gotten over with as quickly as possible or avoided altogether. Yet, it has always been thus and the modern world only made it easier and more convenient to do so. It didn't change human nature.

For those who engage in cognitive thinking, the tools available today, including those mentioned above, are invaluable for helping get at the heart of the matter more quickly and accurately. That said, they don't substitute for the thinking itself.

Thinking is hard. It takes effort and practice. It's a lot like learning to play an instrument like the guitar; nowadays, more people just want to play Guitar Hero than actually learn to play the instrument. Yet playing Guitar Hero will never create original music or produce as much satisfaction as the real thing.

I don't know that my points contradiction your assertions. I'm pointing out that only a few people throughout history ever really aspired to original thought. Those relative few who do today will still do so and that all the tools we have created to help will aid the endeavor rather than impede it.
Yes, I agree. And I would say this is function of mis-allocation of resources. When the wealthy favor themselves and privilege their own class, the rest of the people are mere worker bees. When the worker bees put together thought, formed unions, the wealthier classes used government to crack down on them with unbridled ferocity.
 

natureboygrower

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So this is what I've been writing about on this thread--how social media and message board users misrepresent the opinions of others because they're more and more incapable of thinking about the meaning of words. If you were to actually read my posts on this thread instead of just following the fecal freak stool guy's unsubstantiated opinions, then you'd see that your statement quoted above cannot be found in any of my posts.

I've been arguing that humanity is entering, or we're at the inception of, a new age. Historians classify human ages in history based on the tools humans have used. For example, very early humans who figured out how to shape stones into tools were part of the Stone Age. Later in human history, during the 1800s when many countries began relying on steam power and other engines to mass produce items was called the Industrial Age. More recently, humans' reliance on nuclear power and defense has been called the Nuclear Age.

I'm saying that based on our tools--smart tech and other forms of automation--is rendering human thought obsolete. I am not saying I'm smarter than anyone, and as far as I go, I'm part of the post-cognitive age myself. We all are, whether we're Americans or Chinese or Canadians.

So I'll repeat my major claim again--technology has advanced to the point that human beings now have a choice--to think or not to think (because tech devices think for us). Given that choice, most humans (not all), will go for the latter choice--to not think. This post-cognition among humans groups can be readily seen in the present day--and I'm arguing that thought will become less and less, fewer and further between as long as tech continues its advances.

So here's what I'm seeing as evidence of the post-cognitive age:
1) automation, especially in countries that mass produce things. Automation means that the human worker at such manufacturing centers merely monitors machines that does the work--machines apply the plans or blueprints instead of a human having to think to do the same.
2) smart tech such as tablets, smart phones, apps: many of these are increasing taking the thought component out of using them. My phone, for example, tells me how long it'll take for me to get home, or two work. It knows where I'm going, and I don't have to think about how long it'll take me.
- apps too take the thinking component out of human activity, for example my directions app. Previously, whenever I needed directions to get somewhere, I had to memorize them, which requires cognition. Nowadays, if I plug in the address, Siri tells me how to get there, and I don't have to think.
- websites as well do the thinking for us. Here's probably a bad example, but the last time you were watching TV and you see an actor, and you know you saw the same actor in another movie. Instead of thinking about it, you just go to IMDB and it displays all the movies and programs the actor has appeared in and thinking is rendered obsolete.
3) Internet technology is an amazing tool for knowledge dissemination, but given the choice to use it for enhancing knowledge and its by-product, cognition, most human beings today choose to use the internet for entertainment purposes. Here are some of those entertainment choices:
a. porn
b. social media & forums (where people don't think about what others write, but instead offer either unsubstantiated opinions about what was written or who did the writing, or just insult the writer)
c. sports
4) lack of debate: back in the old days, when people shared ideas with one another, usually a discussion or debate would ensue. Today, whether on television or online, there's little discussion and debate. Since these things require cognition to do them and to follow a discussion or debate, people instead opt to shout down opponents, offer insults, etc. Politicians just offer slogans. News just repeats sound bytes, unless the "news" program is a shout show, then it offers only shouts.
5) education in crisis: just about everything one needs to know about culture, society, and how to live can be accessed online, yet educational centers, whether higher ed or charter schools or whathaveyou, are locked into the old ways of doing things. Why does anyone need to learn arithmetic when machines can compute numbers for us? Why would anyone need a history class when all histories of anything can be found at a moment's notice online?
-- another element here is the growing disdain and disparagement of those who are educated. More and more, most people view the educated as "pompous." When the educated write, more and more folks see that as "grandstanding." Instead of thinking about what educated people are saying, people just dismiss it because there's less and less patience for intelligence and people using their inherent cognitive tools.
6) de-evolution of language: more and more, we'll see language devolve into strings of emojis. If you know a youngster, say under 18 years of age, this is already occurring among them. Language requires thought, and if language devolves to a series of pictograms, then cognition suffers as a result.
7) dichotomous thinking replaces real cognition: This affects us in multiple ways. When something is wrong with one of our devices, whether the computer itself or the app--the quickest possible solution is to turn it off and then back on again and see if that fixes it. Instead of diagnosing what the problem may be, we just shut it off and turn it back on. Or close the program and reopen it. Or more broadly, it seems that humans are growing overly skeptical of inductive reasoning, which relies on viewing evidence to see if something is likely the case. More and more humans think that deduction can give us Truth on every aspect of the human experience.
-- dichotomies are either/or kind of thinking. For example, "you're either with us or against us." Things are either true or untrue, factual or fictitious, black or white--there aren't any gray areas, or at least humans are becoming ever more reluctant to acknowledge that things in the human experience can exist in those gray areas. When we fail to explore gray areas of our knowledge or of our experience, we are ceasing cognition.
8) Reactionary politics: coupled with humans increasing inability to debate and consider viewpoints of others, more and more societies are dealing with newfound power of reactionary forces. Many right wing regimes have taken over Western nations built on their knee-jerk reactions to issues. Instead of forming coalitions, seeking out data sets, and commissioning studies, reactionary political figures merely react to what's going on. So the Washington Post publishes a story about possible wrongdoing, and the regime just dismisses it as "fake news." This is the approach for many of the issue that bedevil our societies. Immigrants--just get rid of them; people without health insurance--just let them die; enemies overseas are doing things--just bomb them into oblivion; weed is legal in certain places--let's crackdown on it; jobs are vanishing--let's deport people. I could go on and on with that.

So these are some of the main areas where I see that we've entered or at the onset of a post-cognitive age. And this is an important issue because when humanity ceases to think, then there's not much separating us from animal life. in fact, what distinguishes humanity from animals is our cognitive abilities.

Now I'm not saying that I'm right. All of this is a gray area where inductive reasoning is more applicable. I'm instead making an argument for something that I see going on in my society, and I'm attempting to offer an explanation--or at least I'm acknowledging that our technology is quickly altering not just our human values, but core elements of our humanity: thinking. And nowhere in this post or any others are any claims made by me that I'm smarter than anyone or that using tech makes you dumb.

To reiterate my major claim, I'm merely saying that tech advances are providing humans with a choice, to think or not to think and too many people are choosing the latter. Feel free to disagree with me, that is fine, but I'd prefer you tell me why I'm wrong because an insult or a misrepresentation doesn't get us anywhere and instead just underscores my argument that more and more folks would rather not have to think.
right.we dont even need to remember phone numbers anymore,just look under"contacts".i've wondered how this will play out with dementia/alzheimers-
without simple brain exercises like remembering a phone number,does this leave the brain more vulnerable for dementia/AD?sure,technology/medicine will have of us living past 100 but we wont remember a goddamn thing or be able to tie our own shoes.
 

UncleBuck

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right.we dont even need to remember phone numbers anymore,just look under"contacts".i've wondered how this will play out with dementia/alzheimers-
without simple brain exercises like remembering a phone number,does this leave the brain more vulnerable for dementia/AD?sure,technology/medicine will have of us living past 100 but we wont remember a goddamn thing or be able to tie our own shoes.
how's that 30 day plan to defeat ISIS going?

did you guys do that cmplete and total shutdown of muslim immigration?

how much money has mexico put aside for the wall?

thanks, cuck.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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right.we dont even need to remember phone numbers anymore,just look under"contacts".i've wondered how this will play out with dementia/alzheimers-
without simple brain exercises like remembering a phone number,does this leave the brain more vulnerable for dementia/AD?sure,technology/medicine will have of us living past 100 but we wont remember a goddamn thing or be able to tie our own shoes.
Inactive and un-stimulated brain activity has been a suspected cause of dementia. Many medical doctors who study and treat case of dementia claim that reading and doing problem-solving exercises slows the progression of the disease. It's one reason why King Donald is a moron--he hasn't ever had to stimulate his brain. He just watches TV and sends out reactionary tweets. He was about as bad as he is today back in the 1980s.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Again, you misrepresent my position. Not once did I write that all students are afraid of critical thinking. Rather, I would argue that critical thinking is not the primary learning objective of most courses taken by students at the secondary or higher education level. It's not because that requires too much thought by poorly compensated and overworked college faculty. I'd even argue that the vast majority of American teachers at high schools did much critical thinking toward fulfillment of their degrees, and teach even less of that. There's empirical studies that support this claim I'm making.

I'll reiterate since you missed my point--I'm saying that tech advances are giving people a choice: think or don't think. Given human nature, more will choose non-thinking. Does that mean everyone? No, that means the majority of humans will opt to not think rather than to think.

How am I being condescending? This sounds like when the major character of Idiocracy went to court, spoke in his defense, and then everyone in the courtroom, even his own atty, began denigrating him and insulting him, perceiving his reasoning as condescending.

People all through time have had the choice to think or not.

And you are lumping all higher education together. But of course all schools are not the same either. Or students. Or teachers.

Like I said I didn't miss any of your points. I just don't agree with your opinion. It is kind of a narrow blanketing statement view.

You didn't even answer to my tv remote analogy. You won't answer to any opposing position.

You are obviously smarter than everyone. They're opinions don't count in your thread.

I don't follow anyone like you accuse but
@Chunky Stool was right the first time.
 

natureboygrower

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how's that 30 day plan to defeat ISIS going?

did you guys do that cmplete and total shutdown of muslim immigration?

how much money has mexico put aside for the wall?

thanks, cuck.
you are incredibly boring
Inactive and un-stimulated brain activity has been a suspected cause of dementia. Many medical doctors who study and treat case of dementia claim that reading and doing problem-solving exercises slows the progression of the disease. It's one reason why King Donald is a moron--he hasn't ever had to stimulate his brain. He just watches TV and sends out reactionary tweets. He was about as bad as he is today back in the 1980s.
thank you for an actual thought out response
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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People all through time have had the choice to think or not.

And you are lumping all higher education together. But of course all schools are not the same either. Or students. Or teachers.

Like I said I didn't miss any of your points. I just don't agree with your opinion. It is kind of a narrow blanketing statement view.

You didn't even answer to my tv remote analogy. You won't answer to any opposing position.

You are obviously smarter than everyone. They're opinions don't count in your thread.

I don't follow anyone like you accuse but
@Chunky Stool was right the first time.
Television is part and parcel of the non-thinking age we're headed toward. I'd say the post-cognitive age's onset was probably with all forms of popular culture, perhaps even nickelodeons, dime novels, and mass advertising.

I've take great care in my posts to not use absolutes. I'm didn't write all educational institutions.

As for opinions, there are essentially two kinds: substantiated opinions and unsubstantiated ones. I've replied to many of the unsubstantiated opinions--most of which are not about my arguments, but about my sanity, my social circles or lack thereof, and my ego. Even if all of those insults were true, my argument is still there waiting for some more well-reasoned critiques of it.
 

natureboygrower

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are you winning so much that you are getting tired of winning?

or are you getting lied to so much about conspiring with russia to subvert american democracy that you are tired of being lied to?
you are nowhere as smart as you think you are,one trick pony.your shit is becoming very stale around here in case you havent noticed.try adding something worthwhile to a thread.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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People all through time have had the choice to think or not.
True.

But here's the rub. Back in the old days, one had to really think and plan out food for the winter, how many plants to grow and of what variety, and one had to take in the possibility of crop failure. One also had to leave some land fallow while other land would be put into cultivation. Even poor agricultural producers of the late 1800s had to think, and they had a few tools to help them out such as almanacs.

Fast forward to our present age when most people are not farmers. Most people in America work in service industry jobs, where thinking is not only not necessary, but discouraged by management. And the work is so undignified, that the typical worker would probably not want to think about the boring repetitive tasks that they must complete every day for a handful of dimes.

So as our technology takes us into a new era, thinking will be more and more an activity of the upper classes--those with leisure time--while service industry workers have to put together three, four jobs for the most part to make ends meet. Working upwards of 70 hours a week leaves less and less time for cognitive capabilities.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Television is part and parcel of the non-thinking age we're headed toward. I'd say the post-cognitive age's onset was probably with all forms of popular culture, perhaps even nickelodeons, dime novels, and mass advertising.

I've take great care in my posts to not use absolutes. I'm didn't write all educational institutions.

As for opinions, there are essentially two kinds: substantiated opinions and unsubstantiated ones. I've replied to many of the unsubstantiated opinions--most of which are not about my arguments, but about my sanity, my social circles or lack thereof, and my ego. Even if all of those insults were true, my argument is still there waiting for some more well-reasoned critiques of it.

You just proved my argument against yours. I was going to bring up crappy paperbacks next and then earlier radio shows that made families sit and stare at a speaker for hours.

In the old times how much thinking got done by most people while they labored all day just to eat.

Right. The same ratio as today.

But again you turn to defending you ego rather than realize your argument has no real merit.
 

UncleBuck

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you are nowhere as smart as you think you are,one trick pony.your shit is becoming very stale around here in case you havent noticed.try adding something worthwhile to a thread.
what's the matter?

before the election trump was like vlagra for mediocre white losers like you. now the erections seems to have turned into impotent nothingness.

aren't you still of the opinion that "he and he alone" can fix it?

maybe he was talking about fixing the election with help from russian spies?
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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You just proved my argument against yours. I was going to bring up crappy paperbacks next and then earlier radio shows that made families sit and stare at a speaker for hours.

In the old times how much thinking got done by most people while they labored all day just to eat.

Right. The same ratio as today.

But again you turn to defending you ego rather than realize your argument has no real merit.
How am I defending my ego?

Let me reiterate, I'm not arguing about myself, my character, my intelligence. You misconstrue my argument. It's not about me, it's about us: humans.
 

DiogenesTheWiser

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How am I defending my ego?

Let me reiterate, I'm not arguing about myself, my character, my intelligence. You misconstrue my argument. It's not about me, it's about us: humans.
I fail to understand why you think this is about me. Are you so unfamiliar with a defense of a line of argumentation that you become immediately suspicious and think that I'm in some way doing this to make myself look good or smart or something? Is that what people do when they come up with an original thought, idea, or argument?

Descartes, that fucker, what an egomaniac!! Bacon, fuck him that condescending bastard! Screw Marx and Engels, and goddamn that fucking Foucault. -- That's you in philosophy class.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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True.

But here's the rub. Back in the old days, one had to really think and plan out food for the winter, how many plants to grow and of what variety, and one had to take in the possibility of crop failure. One also had to leave some land fallow while other land would be put into cultivation. Even poor agricultural producers of the late 1800s had to think, and they had a few tools to help them out such as almanacs.

Fast forward to our present age when most people are not farmers. Most people in America work in service industry jobs, where thinking is not only not necessary, but discouraged by management. And the work is so undignified, that the typical worker would probably not want to think about the boring repetitive tasks that they must complete every day for a handful of dimes.

So as our technology takes us into a new era, thinking will be more and more an activity of the upper classes--those with leisure time--while service industry workers have to put together three, four jobs for the most part to make ends meet. Working upwards of 70 hours a week leaves less and less time for cognitive capabilities.
Good point about the farming. But people were trained to do that as part of their upbringing and did not spend so much time thinking about as I would need to today with no farming background.

They did not seek out the knowledge.

And I was a sales manager for 20 years. The industries are actually training customer service representatives of all kinds to basically do what salespeople used to.

They have to listen to the customer and be creative to direct them in a way to solve their problem. Whether a bank rep or a retail salesperson they are trained to be problem solvers.

Of course the same ratio applies of who gets good at this and who fails.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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I fail to understand why you think this is about me. Are you so unfamiliar with a defense of a line of argumentation that you become immediately suspicious and think that I'm in some way doing this to make myself look good or smart or something? Is that what people do when they come up with an original thought, idea, or argument?

Descartes, that fucker, what an egomaniac!! Bacon, fuck him that condescending bastard! Screw Marx and Engels, and goddamn that fucking Foucault. -- That's you in philosophy class.

Your still doing it.
 

MMJ Dreaming 99

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Having given this more thought, I will disagree.

Calculators didn't make people too stupid to memorize multiplication tables, they allowed people to get the answers they wanted more quickly.

The same can be said for all enhanced intelligence tools.

Those who can think will always be able to drive progress. If that ever changes, we're through as a society and perhaps as a species.
Someone who could use enhanced intelligence tools. And we thought Patty Murray was stupid.

 

natureboygrower

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what's the matter?

before the election trump was like vlagra for mediocre white losers like you. now the erections seems to have turned into impotent nothingness.

aren't you still of the opinion that "he and he alone" can fix it?

maybe he was talking about fixing the election with help from russian spies?
hes not my savior,brother.you seem to be awfully triggered by me,for no more than calling out your tactics way back in September.do you feel youre a positive voice for the democratic party?
 
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