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Babs34

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All these "religious fucks" are the very ones shutting the fuck up so you atheists can rant ad nauseam regarding our stupidity.....:eyesmoke:---matters not when any single 'supposedly religious person' conveys it has more to do with the spirit and little if anything to do with organized religion.
Seriously people, can you not find a better cause to expend your energies upon?
 

legalizeitcanada

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I can't belive this thread is still alive and everybody still bitching, lets just agree to disagree, FACK......no body knows, nobody will know, why worry about it, just live your live using your moral compass and you should be fine, religious or not, I can't believe this is still of all this talk about whos right and whos wrong and if theres a god and all this shit, when our planets obviously getting trashed by man, god?????, lets get home under control first! agnostically yours!
 

SmokesLikeBob

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I can't belive this thread is still alive and everybody still bitching, lets just agree to disagree, FACK......no body knows, nobody will know, why worry about it, just live your live using your moral compass and you should be fine, religious or not, I can't believe this is still of all this talk about whos right and whos wrong and if theres a god and all this shit, when our planets obviously getting trashed by man, god?????, lets get home under control first! agnostically yours!
EXACTLY!!! Preach on legalizeitcanada! haha


SLB
 

Babs34

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"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

These commandments cover a lot of ground. No Christian dictates that you must adhere, "or else." (Save the goofy you-tube erratic freak, TY :roll:)

Atheist or believer, it is safe to assume that we all agree stealing is wrong.

Let's begin with briefly addressing each.....
1) Don't let your arrogance surpass knowledge---simple translation.
2) Place no absolute faith in that which is only seen with the eye...basically allowing arrogance to take grasp as "surpassed knowledge."
3) Do not have the raw audacity to DAMN what you DO NOT KNOW....e.g....as "fact."
4) Whether this implies an actual reckoning with "fellow believers" or a simple gesture of personally acknowledging something MUCH GREATER than you........take the time to implore for a greater awakening---than that of what man offers you as reasonable and whole, for no such thing exists without the acknowledgement of His essence of Being.
5) Regardless of circumstances, utilize your knowledge to subject efforts---whether futile or fruitful, to convey PROPERLY a higher purpose for "what is."...or "what should be."
6) .....redundant.
7) Don't cheat on your significant other. Where is the beauty of relations when we disguise our incessant need to fornicate with every whore we can easily ascertain?
8) ....also redundant.
9) DO NOT LIE.......is this not a reputable and noteworthy characteristic for any single person to possess? After all, do not lies only lead to more lies, and thus further havoc?
10) Desire leads to jealousy and jealousy to anger---and anger to destruction. Why not rely solely on HIM?
God wishes only for an abundance in your life.

How hard is it to simply quit making yourself your own god?
...rhetorical question.



:peace:
 

Padawanbater2

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These commandments cover a lot of ground. No Christian dictates that you must adhere, "or else." (Save the goofy you-tube erratic freak, TY :roll:)

Atheist or believer, it is safe to assume that we all agree stealing is wrong.

Let's begin with briefly addressing each.....

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
1) Don't let your arrogance surpass knowledge---simple translation.
1. Placed as number one for one reason, to ensure the sheep don't stray too far from the flock.

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
2) Place no absolute faith in that which is only seen with the eye...basically allowing arrogance to take grasp as "surpassed knowledge."
How is it arrogant to demand proof of a claim, any claim? It's arrogant to you because you see it as questioning God. But to an atheist, God doesn't exist, so it is not arrogant in our minds, it's simply questioning the claim, not the one making the claim. To believers, God is unquestionable, so it's easy to see why you view it as arrogant. You think we think we're more right about existence than your God.

2. But again, this commandment was written to keep the sheep in line. No other symbols or statues to represent a competitor.

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
3) Do not have the raw audacity to DAMN what you DO NOT KNOW....e.g....as "fact."
3. If God, the creator of the heavens and the Earth, the entire observable universe is hung up on taking his name in vain, then doesn't that in itself prove this being you worship is not perfect? Would a perfect being get upset about being called a name by something as insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) as a human being? Think about it.

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
4) Whether this implies an actual reckoning with "fellow believers" or a simple gesture of personally acknowledging something MUCH GREATER than you........take the time to implore for a greater awakening---than that of what man offers you as reasonable and whole, for no such thing exists without the acknowledgement of His essence of Being.
4. What about all those things you're not allowed to do on the Sabbath?


Get to the rest tomorrow..
 

Babs34

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1. Placed as number one for one reason, to ensure the sheep don't stray too far from the flock.



How is it arrogant to demand proof of a claim, any claim? It's arrogant to you because you see it as questioning God. But to an atheist, God doesn't exist, so it is not arrogant in our minds, it's simply questioning the claim, not the one making the claim. To believers, God is unquestionable, so it's easy to see why you view it as arrogant. You think we think we're more right about existence than your God.

2. But again, this commandment was written to keep the sheep in line. No other symbols or statues to represent a competitor.



3. If God, the creator of the heavens and the Earth, the entire observable universe is hung up on taking his name in vain, then doesn't that in itself prove this being you worship is not perfect? Would a perfect being get upset about being called a name by something as insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) as a human being? Think about it.



4. What about all those things you're not allowed to do on the Sabbath?


Get to the rest tomorrow..
Seriously.....please do NOT get to the rest.

Every time I see that green lil P, followed by breaking down and responding to each line......I know you are in argue mode.
That was merely my response to "if only morals had a true north" statement.

Still to this day, I can't see why you are so determined to make it your goal in life to dispel the myth of God. If you don't believe such a thing/entity exists.......fine, so be it. There is no reason for you to take it past that point. No person is going to tie you down and demand you adhere to their beliefs.

I only cited the ten commandments from my fleeting perspective. Don't attempt to make anything more out of this.

As for the statement," ensuring sheep don't go too astray from the flock"...what of it? As an individual, you have the choice to "stray" bascially wherever you wish to. Is not society evidence of that?
2. But again, this commandment was written to keep the sheep in line. No other symbols or statues to represent a competitor.
Good vs. Evil........no shame in not wanting that competition in my life.

According to you, number three is a hang up via God for a simple "name." Sorry, it goes much deeper than that.

4. What about all those things you're not allowed to do on the Sabbath?
What of them? I've only said countless times now that I do not take the Bible as the hand-written word of God.

Why would you take such great offense to the commandments? :-|
 
Haha. Religious debates never go anywhere, it never ends. Thats why this post is still up. The thing is that human society is and always has been evolving and realising more and more facts about life and the universe.
A few hundred years ago we believed that the earth was flat, eventually we discovered that we were wrong. The same will eventually be true for religion. One day, long after our generation, there will be some kind of proof that there is in fact no god. There is no such proof at this point in time but one day religion is bound to be proven as a false concept.

Just remember that "one day" is very far away and that no side will be proven correct in our lifetimes. This is why we must just put aside our differences and get along.

Im 100%, no doubt atheist but under no circumstances do i want to be labelled. I live in South Africa where labels were coldly used under Apartheid, i know how negatively these labels like black and white or atheist and christian can affect society. Piece and unity are the only ingredients for longterm success with society's problems. As people who know the true blessing that canabis is, it is our problem that this awesom plant is still ilegal, i mean WTF, a plant that isnt legal? What are these people smoking???? LOL. So come on gents and gentle gals. Lets make a POSITIVE change as humanity, together.
 

Padawanbater2

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I've been totally civil with you Babs. I'm not trying to argue, simply asking questions.

Still to this day, I can't see why you are so determined to make it your goal in life to dispel the myth of God. If you don't believe such a thing/entity exists.......fine, so be it. There is no reason for you to take it past that point. No person is going to tie you down and demand you adhere to their beliefs.
I'm not really worried about somebody demanding I believe in some god. That's not realistic, I just don't see it as happening. Western society and our laws and freedoms won't allow for it.

The issue is how this stuff influences people. That's always been my problem with it. What it does to peoples minds and how that in turn affects the decisions they make and conclusions they come to, and how. Can you really blame me for questioning the system that's essentially shaped our culture and just about everything we know on a day to day basis?

I only cited the ten commandments from my fleeting perspective. Don't attempt to make anything more out of this.
OK, I won't. I appreciate your perspective. I just always thought the commandments could be better, and if that was true then how could they be perfect? If they weren't perfect, why would God choose them? If I could come up with more moral commandments for humanity myself, what does that say about God? And as you said yourself, a few of them are a little redundant.

As for the statement," ensuring sheep don't go too astray from the flock"...what of it? As an individual, you have the choice to "stray" bascially wherever you wish to. Is not society evidence of that?
It's always bothered me and interested me in a weird kind of way how organized religions keep people in line and under control. The tactics used, the fear tactics and subconscious psychological influences. I see people quote Bible verses all the time, a pastor friend on Facebook particularly, whose always quoting verses to justify why we shouldn't vote for the Democrat, or why homosexuals are immoral, all kinds of stuff. He'll give some story, list the verse, then give his own advice on "what the Christian thing to do" would be.

Good vs. Evil........no shame in not wanting that competition in my life.
It's a competition between other religions.

According to you, number three is a hang up via God for a simple "name." Sorry, it goes much deeper than that.
What do you mean?

Why would you take such great offense to the commandments? :-|
I don't. I just don't believe people should be living their lives based on them. It's dangerous for society.
 

Babs34

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I'm not really worried about somebody demanding I believe in some god. That's not realistic, I just don't see it as happening. Western society and our laws and freedoms won't allow for it.

They won't? One only need to look at what is happening with Arizona having the audacity to enforce already existing law to know this is bogus rationalization.

The issue is how this stuff influences people. That's always been my problem with it. What it does to peoples minds and how that in turn affects the decisions they make and conclusions they come to, and how. Can you really blame me for questioning the system that's essentially shaped our culture and just about everything we know on a day to day basis?


On the contrary, I don't blame you for questioning so much as not embarking upon the right line of questioning. You have conformed your opinion of the average believer to be that of an insane person in clinical terms...such absurdity, but not at all uncommon. "Religion" or thereof "lack of" will provide for one a complete oblivion, and even at times a deviant abstract, while there are the opposed who will naturally and honestly perceive natural occurrences. It's all about balance and the ability to be resourceful in perceiving contrast. This has nothing to do with quotient in intelligence, as measured by man "naturally."

What has "shaped our system as you know it" Padawan is the innate desire of man to be his own ruler.....to the point of self-destruction and even worse, the destruction of peace on any realm of remote possibility. Take away the history of religion and very little changes. Resorting to a blame game serves as no value in ascertaining peace.


If they weren't perfect, why would God choose them? If I could come up with more moral commandments for humanity myself, what does that say about God? And as you said yourself, a few of them are a little redundant.


The Bible, with all of its fallacies, puts forth a history of events as proclaimed by men, yes....men, who claim to have been touched by the word of God. Many had wonderful intentions, but because they were also touched by the competitor, the true essence was often thwarted. Even the Bible proclaims this as so. Place a group of any individuals in ANY day and age and this will ALWAYS be the case.

It's always bothered me and interested me in a weird kind of way how organized religions keep people in line and under control. The tactics used, the fear tactics and subconscious psychological influences. I see people quote Bible verses all the time, a pastor friend on Facebook particularly, whose always quoting verses to justify why we shouldn't vote for the Democrat, or why homosexuals are immoral, all kinds of stuff. He'll give some story, list the verse, then give his own advice on "what the Christian thing to do" would be.

See, this is kind of funny to me......because on the one hand, I follow your take, yet on the other........I LMAO. I had nothing but nuns for teachers many years. I attended church six out of seven days of the week. A daily course of 'religion' to top it off, and you know......I no more had belief in God than the next. In fact, once I turned 13, I adamantly rejected "the church" and God altogether. I REFUSED to attend church from that day forward!!! It was not until the age of 19 that I was moved to actually QUESTION.
You have to be very careful in making any direct assessment on behalf of God. This is where all too many preachers and clergy members so miserably fail.



It's a competition between other religions.

It is very much a competition... between Good and Evil. No "religion" is an absolute, yet all are direct comparisons to be ever so carefully observed. There is no way after having taken deep introspection with them all, that any soul, or any scientist, can defy the history that has placed us here with these world events as they now exist. To deny the relevance is arrogant ignorance.

Mankind is belligerent by nature under any label. Why analyze it under the sanctity of religion alone?
Life is as good as you and those around you allow it to be.
 

afrawfraw

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Each generation, more and more people are choosing Science over Religion. 6% of people 61+, 9% of people ages 42-60, 14% of people ages 23-41, and 19% of people ages 18-22 checked the atheist/agnostic box.

Haha. Religious debates never go anywhere, it never ends. Thats why this post is still up. The thing is that human society is and always has been evolving and realising more and more facts about life and the universe.
A few hundred years ago we believed that the earth was flat, eventually we discovered that we were wrong. The same will eventually be true for religion. One day, long after our generation, there will be some kind of proof that there is in fact no god. There is no such proof at this point in time but one day religion is bound to be proven as a false concept.

Just remember that "one day" is very far away and that no side will be proven correct in our lifetimes. This is why we must just put aside our differences and get along.

Im 100%, no doubt atheist but under no circumstances do i want to be labelled. I live in South Africa where labels were coldly used under Apartheid, i know how negatively these labels like black and white or atheist and christian can affect society. Piece and unity are the only ingredients for longterm success with society's problems. As people who know the true blessing that canabis is, it is our problem that this awesom plant is still ilegal, i mean WTF, a plant that isnt legal? What are these people smoking???? LOL. So come on gents and gentle gals. Lets make a POSITIVE change as humanity, together.
As USUAL, the General Population is SLOWLY catching up with science...We knew A LONG TIME AGO that we were NOT the center of the universe, the world was ROUND, and we were moving around in cycles with other planets!

A skeptic -- someone who needs more proof before accepting such an important idea -- might protest that a sphere is not the only shape which casts a circular or round shadow. And she would be right. For instance, a quarter is certainly not spherical, but if held in the right way, casts a circular shadow. How then can we convince her? The Earth's shadow on the Moon as it enters or leaves a lunar eclipse is circular regardless from where it is viewed; whether from Canada or Australia. Only a sphere casts a circular shadow when viewed from any direction. A quarter when tilted or turned on its side has a distinctly non-spherical shadow. Try it some time.

This was observed and recorded around 1000 BCE, about 2500 years BEFORE Ferdinand Magellan sailed in 1519 from Spain.

I agree with the positive vibe deal. And we ARE changing things for Cannabis, in areas of maximum positivity... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country
 

the seedman

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if god was real he's let us down for to long, also why is god a he, only females can produce life, a far more plauseable god to believe in, is mother nature, many tribes worship the land, perhaps if we blew up all the radicall nut job christans, and prayed to mother earth, we might still have a plannet to pass on to our children in a hundred years, instead of the waterless war filled plannet they will recieve at that time...... christan fucks go to hell... (not you legalize it canada)
 

bud nugbong

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yea religion is causing nothing but problems now adays... especially in the middle east. and the only reason the US is there is because of the oil. the gov doesnt care about the fighting they just want a piece of the black gold.
 

legalizeitcanada

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I think a lot of you forget just how powerful the opium trade still is and how much funding the govn'ts recieve from it.......understandable......the agreements are hundreds of years old, but if you do a bit of research on it you will find it is a very important reason why things are the way they are.....its not just oil is all im sayin...we already have the technology to get off oil, we had it in the 30's, if anybody cares to learn more on that google Tesla Free Energy Documentary......there is a really good Docu on it!.........
yea religion is causing nothing but problems nowadays... especially in the middle east. and the only reason the US is there is because of the oil. the gov doesnt care about the fighting they just want a piece of the black gold.
 
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