Attitude Seed Bank

coppershot said:

Why are you so convinced that oversea seeds are tried, tested and true?
What's a 'name brand' breeder?

Genuinely curious how this label applies and to whom.

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Sensi,Royal Queen,HSO,Dutch Passion and plenty more,they are not new fly by night breeder/companies.Been in it for years and not by putting a fancy name next to there strains,and word of mouth from the internet of a friend of a friend who tried these and say there great.

My experinece is that Attitude-Choice, Seedsman, Herbies and so on, list a 100 plus 'breeders' and you have to dig through all the crappy ones to only get the occasional decent one like Karma... so many of these breeders get their seeds mass produced in Spain. Further, some of the others with the big full page spreads in HT like Greenhouse and Barnys Farm are frauds and prey on those who don't know any better. They also try to adopt the hype names in the USA and capitalize on it.

The quality of gear in the states is top notch ime. Over the years I have run gear from sensi, white label, GH, BF, DNA, serious, Soma and many others. What I can say is that European banks and the breeders work for some but I have no idea why anyone in the US or Canada would feel compelled to use them over the ones here.

It's the seed game. All I am saying is that not all the guys oversea are 'proven' and not all the guys in the USA are fly-by-night or get promoted by their buddies.

Exactly it all comes down to an educated guess on what to order,and I will stick to the old tried and true to the fresh new hot strain promoted today.Alot of time invested in your decision,try not to waste it.

coppershot said:

My experinece is that Attitude-Choice, Seedsman, Herbies and so on, list a 100 plus 'breeders' and you have to dig through all the crappy ones to only get the occasional decent one like Karma... so many of these breeders get their seeds mass produced in Spain. Further, some of the others with the big full page spreads in HT like Greenhouse and Barnys Farm are frauds and prey on those who don't know any better. They also try to adopt the hype names in the USA and capitalize on it.

The quality of gear in the states is top notch ime. Over the years I have run gear from sensi, white label, GH, BF, DNA, serious, Soma and many others. What I can say is that European banks and the breeders work for some but I have no idea why anyone in the US or Canada would feel compelled to use them over the ones here.

It's the seed game. All I am saying is that not all the guys oversea are 'proven' and not all the guys in the USA are fly-by-night or get promoted by their buddies.

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coppershot said:

My experinece is that Attitude-Choice, Seedsman, Herbies and so on, list a 100 plus 'breeders' and you have to dig through all the crappy ones to only get the occasional decent one like Karma... so many of these breeders get their seeds mass produced in Spain. Further, some of the others with the big full page spreads in HT like Greenhouse and Barnys Farm are frauds and prey on those who don't know any better. They also try to adopt the hype names in the USA and capitalize on it.

The quality of gear in the states is top notch ime. Over the years I have run gear from sensi, white label, GH, BF, DNA, serious, Soma and many others. What I can say is that European banks and the breeders work for some but I have no idea why anyone in the US or Canada would feel compelled to use them over the ones here.

It's the seed game. All I am saying is that not all the guys oversea are 'proven' and not all the guys in the USA are fly-by-night or get promoted by their buddies.

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While I agree to a point I must say this. some of the over sea breeders came from the U.S. not all but some. I've hade some of the newer U.S breeders and there are hacks on both sides. But yes I would love to get some over seas breeders here and it's truly astonishing that some people think only U.S. genetics are worthy. my final point is this, this far in the game we should be able to get genetics no matter were the breeder is from.

I would also add that some of those who have been in the game for a while may not have the exact same seed stock. Many developed their reputation on fantastic breeding but over the years they lost their breeding stock, water down and so on. Best is to educate your self before your purchase.

indicas4me said:

Sensi,Royal Queen,HSO,Dutch Passion and plenty more,they are not new fly by night breeder/companies.Been in it for years and not by putting a fancy name next to there strains,and word of mouth from the internet of a friend of a friend who tried these and say there great.

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indicas4me said:

Exactly it all comes down to an educated guess on what to order,and I will stick to the old tried and true to the fresh new hot strain promoted today.Alot of time invested in your decision,try not to waste it.

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So lets break this down. The breeders that you have mentioned are just of that yesterYear. Only a few on that list you named are putting out somewhat quality.

That being Sensi and dutch passion. Now you say you here from a friend of a friend.

The thing is people get set in their old ways and comfort zones.


Snowhigh is a breeder below that would be more towards your taste based on who you like from.the old school. He has made many interedting bxs
https://www.seedsherenow.com/breeders/snow-high-seeds.html

He has stuff like chocolate thi, ac gold; c99 Panama Red (preservation) lemon thai crosses at different price points.

coppershot said:

What I can say is that European banks and the breeders work for some but I have no idea why anyone in the US or Canada would feel compelled to use them over the ones here.

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Fem beans selection. Thats literally the only reason I dont run more US breeders gear.
Theres a few breeders right now off hand I'd love to run like Ocean Grown, Shoreline OG, just dont have the time at the moment to run through the males/females then choose which female is the best and momma her out. When something goes out on my flower tables, they are dedicated to that spot that they are in and I'm counting on them to produce flowers.

indicas4me said:

Exactly it all comes down to an educated guess on what to order,and I will stick to the old tried and true to the fresh new hot strain promoted today.Alot of time invested in your decision,try not to waste it.

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There is no guessing when it comes down to the new breeders. This forum alone has so many quality breeders and grow reports. To prove something are there any threads on the breeders you named, not really.

With Topdawg / Bohdi/ CSI/ Archive /snowhigh / them alone are putting out better quality; and this comes from a person that has seen royal queen brings.

HydroRed said:

Fem beans selection. Thats literally the only reason I dont run more US breeders gear.
Theres a few breeders right now off hand I'd love to run like Ocean Grown, Shoreline OG, just dont have the time at the moment to run through the males/females then choose which female is the best and momma her out. When something goes out on my flower tables, they are dedicated to that spot that they are in and I'm counting on them to produce flowers.

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The fem/reg is a good point especially if you grow for variety. I agree that the US breeders and banks don't carry the same selection in fems. I don't look for fems but I know people have limitations so that's a fair comment.

So your saying I have to hunt down threads in this forum to find out if those breeders you listed are good?Thats the thing ive been saying all along,US breeders are still vague and underground not in the main stream.I want to google search a strain and see a few forum posts from multiple reviews and pics from top searches not a word of mouth from a friend of a friend that grew it here.

Lightgreen2k said:

There is no guessing when it comes down to the new breeders. This forum alone has so many quality breeders and grow reports. To prove something are there any threads on the breeders you named, not really.

With Topdawg / Bohdi/ CSI/ Archive /snowhigh / them alone are putting out better quality; and this comes from a person that has seen royal queen brings.

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indicas4me said:

So your saying I have to hunt down threads in this forum to find out if those breeders you listed are good?Thats the thing ive been saying all along,US breeders are still vague and underground not in the main stream.I want to google search a strain and see a few forum posts from multiple reviews and pics from top searches not a word of mouth from a friend of a friend that grew it here.

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You dont have to "hunt down" threads. You can stay "Stuck" with the old Euro breeders at that, with less representation or as in royal queen taking newer strains such as gg4 or gorilla glue 4 and feminizing.

I would rather an american breeder if I wanted that. Because you don't read the various threads you have no idea how long a breeder has held onto or worked a strain. A newer breeder on the scene skunkmasterflex has taken Larry og F8.

He's been a member on other forums for years..

Really it comes down to what you want to know in this industry simple.

Royal Queen is the new "China to the American product" IMO lol.Usa will have alot to catch up to if they stay the way they are now unfortunately.

Lightgreen2k said:

You dont have to "hunt down" threads. You can stay "Stuck" with the old Euro breeders at that, with less representation or as in royal queen taking newer strains such as gg4 or gorilla glue 4 and feminizing.

I would rather an american breeder if I wanted that. Because you don't read the various threads you have no idea how long a breeder has held onto or worked a strain. A newer breeder on the scene skunkmasterflex has taken Larry og F8.

He's been a member on other forums for years..

Really it comes down to what you want to know in this industry simple.

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indicas4me said:

Royal Queen is the new "China to the American product" IMO lol.Usa will have alot to catch up to if they stay the way they are now unfortunately.

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I think the last point that Lightgreen2k raises is valid in this case.
"Really it comes down to what you want to know in this industry"

It sounds Iike you're knocking something yet not putting in the effort to find out more about it. The information is easily accessible and out there for most strains. Whereas in the same breath your presuming that the Euro banks are good when it is well documented that those breeders are not infallible, including some of the very ones you mentioned.

You say things about north American strains/breeders/banks, saying that there is not legitimate info, perhaps you dismiss info that might be coming from a very credible sources and chalk it up to friends of friends of the brother growing it... if you don't know who Lightgreen2k mentioned (Topdawg / Bohdi/ CSI/ Archive /snowhigh and many others) then that's a different discussion altogether.

It doesn't sound Iike your tied into the cannabis community, at least not in the USA, nor does it seem Iike you care to be... and that's okay nobody is expected to be. But your passing comments off, to new members no less, and it comes across as misinformed. I mean that respectfully.

indicas4me said:

Royal Queen is the new "China to the American product" IMO lol.Usa will have alot to catch up to if they stay the way they are now unfortunately.

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The seedbanks you have Listed are trash To be Frank. You have not grown or purchased any of those seedbanks I have listed. All the seedbanks I have listed will run circles around your banks.

Why are there no FORUMS on these wonderous companies you have listed.

Nobody, well a few want the old euro bs banks.

Their are a few like Karma and Lady Sativa genetics. That are good EuroBanks

Always start with quality genetics .. makes a world of difference.

HydroRed said:

Fem beans selection. Thats literally the only reason I dont run more US breeders gear.
Theres a few breeders right now off hand I'd love to run like Ocean Grown, Shoreline OG, just dont have the time at the moment to run through the males/females then choose which female is the best and momma her out. When something goes out on my flower tables, they are dedicated to that spot that they are in and I'm counting on them to produce flowers.

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So why not just veg them out until they can be sexed with preflowers?

SchmoeJoe said:

So why not just veg them out until they can be sexed with preflowers?

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I run a "no veg" garden. I take cuts from a momma, after a week or so I transplant into flowering pots when rooted, then harden off under flower lights at 24 hrs for a few days. Once they harden off I flip to 12/12. Virtually no veg time and a crop every 8 wks. This allows me to run a lot of different strains in shorter periods of time. If I find something I like, I keep the momma. If its not worth keeping, I cull the momma after I am able to test out the smoke.

HydroRed said:

I run a "no veg" garden. I take cuts from a momma, after a week or so I transplant into flowering pots when rooted, then harden off under flower lights at 24 hrs for a few days. Once they harden off I flip to 12/12. Virtually no veg time and a crop every 8 wks. This allows me to run a lot of different strains in shorter periods of time. If I find something I like, I keep the momma. If its not worth keeping, I cull the momma after I am able to test out the smoke.

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Makes sense. I've always kept an extra vegging area for new seeds.

nxsov180db said:

Plant numbers for some people can be an issue.

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Yep, I get that.

Been told 2 separate days, 5 days apart, which shipment took place.
Finally the tracking came through and looks like it was actually yesterday. Been 12 days since order placement.