bagseed from mexico possibly oaxacan photoperiod question

Hi All,
well first of all this is my first time posting and I would like to thanks everybody involved in this forum as it's an invaluable resource of information.
I am in the middle of my first ever grow, it all started when a friend came back from Oaxaca in Mexico with some seeds.
I thought why the hell not and went ahead trying an organic grow with cfl.
It all spiraled from there, I have way more cfls in the cabinet now compared to when I started and spent way more money than planned.
the babies have been on 12/12 for almost 2 weeks now and out of 8 plants I am pretty certain I have identified 3 males and 2 girls, the others I don't know yet.
I believe this to be a sativa strain as first it comes from mexico and second it's not bushy but elongated.
I have a couple of questions, I read on this page h**p://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/thc.html that this kind of marijuana apparently needs an 11 hours photo period i/e daytime. Is this true? Should I go ahead and give them 11/13 instead of 12/12?
Also, considering that the plants have been in veg for about 5 weeks before the change when can I expect to see the beginning of a bud?

thanks again for all your help

gigi999 said:

Hi All,
well first of all this is my first time posting and I would like to thanks everybody involved in this forum as it's an invaluable resource of information.
I am in the middle of my first ever grow, it all started when a friend came back from Oaxaca in Mexico with some seeds.
I thought why the hell not and went ahead trying an organic grow with cfl.
It all spiraled from there, I have way more cfls in the cabinet now compared to when I started and spent way more money than planned.
the babies have been on 12/12 for almost 2 weeks now and out of 8 plants I am pretty certain I have identified 3 males and 2 girls, the others I don't know yet.
I believe this to be a sativa strain as first it comes from mexico and second it's not bushy but elongated.
I have a couple of questions, I read on this page h**p://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/thc.html that this kind of marijuana apparently needs an 11 hours photo period i/e daytime. Is this true? Should I go ahead and give them 11/13 instead of 12/12?
Also, considering that the plants have been in veg for about 5 weeks before the change when can I expect to see the beginning of a bud?

thanks again for all your help

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First of all, don't expect great bud out of Oaxacan pot. It is pretty but not too good in the THC dept. It is sativa unless you have some hybrid but it sounds like sativa. As for daylight, as soon as you kick to 12/12 it will be a week to three to see the pistils but if you look real careful above the 5th or 6th nodes, you may see sex showing up now. Be patient and good luck with a grow of that strain. Coming from outdoors to in it will be interesting to see how long it takes to mature but it should be 8 to 10 weeks no matter what.

well to awnser your question...11-13...yes do it....plants from this area generally flower better in this type of growth...

OK,
well let's consider it a test run. Besides I am not what you call a smoker anyway. I rarely smoke and most of the time is not skunk so I hope it will at least do something.
Are you saying good luck because it's a difficult strain?
Also do you have any idea about this 11 hours photoperiod I was reading about?

whoops I was a bit too impatient there, will do 11/13 then.
thanks

HI All,
I can't believe it but out of 8 plants 7 turned out to be males.
I think I whould like to keep her as a mom.
Do you guys think I can put it back into veg after 2 weeks of 12/12?
She hasn't budded yet just shown sex.
Also I have been toying with the idea of making a bubbler? do you guys think it would be a good idea to keep her as a mom and get 4 clones to be put in a bubbler?

hey gigi!

great strain- oaxacan is great smoke, long time no see...like panama red. anyway you will want alot of light for her. chances are she will have some seeds but that is great! keep a male for pollenation. im guessing you are growing inside because you A) dont have a suitable outdoor location and/or B) you dont live in the right climate. point being made is to reach full potential of this plant or full thc "realization" she will need to be pollenated and flowered outside for almost 3 mo. the sun spectrum in lat october, and the weather changing will cause the plant to try and "secure" the seeds and the thc that is produced is not like any skunk you will ever smoke. hard to tame indoor but def possible with the right light. I would do 6h45m light and 12h dark. but thats just me

HI,
yes I am growing inside because of location and climate.
I'm trying to give her as much light as possible but can't use hps as it is in a wall closet and I can't make holes in it.
I have 1 120watt warm eco-light on top plus 3 20watt 2700k and 2 25watt biobulbs, all on top. on the sides I have 3 25watts bulbs too. Don't know if it will be enough but it's just about 20000 lumens.
I don't quite get your post, what is the chance of her having seeds if I get rid of the male?
Are you saying that I should pollinate this plant to have a better result?
Also do you think I would be able to clone her? Do you think growing the clones in a bubbler will work?
Also how can I give her just 6h45m of light a day with 12 hours dark? that would shorten her day by 5h1m is that what you mean?

Do the 11/13 or 10/14 for these or they will certainly overgrow you. They may anyway...but...

I would clone that lady..and then when I have roots on my clones I'd toss her into flower. Again...she's gonna be a monster...i'm guessing she'll go 10-14 weeks in flower...maybe more.

Good to see ya growing..but this will be a bit of a stretch...pun internded for a first grow. Chances are it'll take 3 weeks or more to start to bud...

good luck

bt dt

basically thc production is dependent on different factors that occur naturally. one of them (land race) is the preoduction of seeds. most himalyan, afghans, nepalese, mexican are all plants grown for seed and hash. very resinous. psychadelic highs. most mexican strains are hemos and will produce some seeds weither pollenated or not by a male. so exspect some seeds when harvesting. cannabis plants count the days by the photoperiods, not how long they are. cannabis plants also use only 6 hours of the light given (im not sure if that has been proven though) because this sativa will have a really long flower time, you can shorten the days by manipulating the photo period thus shortining the time of youo grow.

OK guys,
i get it about the photoperiod, definitely I would need some kind of weird timer for that as they are all based on 24 hours and if I am not wrong a time of 6h45 and 12 night would shift in the 24 hours wouldn't it?
anyway I decided to try and take some clones and then put her back into flowering.
the last question is can/shall i put her back into veg? while i take the cloning and wait for the clones to root? or shall I take the clones now while she is in flowering period?
mmhh a bit confused now but it's certainly starting to look like a challenge

sorry to confuse you buddy, the strain however is not suited for indoors so you will def have a challenge on your hands, include everthing here and share your experience so we can all learn, now because you are going to have a rediculously long flower time, i suggested the alternate photoperiod because of that but you will not be able to use a timer unfortunatly. you can def take clones now and root them, some people prefer it that way, you can also throw the mother back to veg. becarful though because down the line she might start to flower, the strain could be maturaty dependent and not photo. sog with this is prolly your best bet for indoor. keep your mother and take clones forever! spread the love of that sweet sweet sativa

ok I think I will throw her back into veg, build some sort of cloning box and a bubbler for the clones, I was thinking of a bubbler with 4 pots as the space is not huge.
Thinking of SOG though I might try and build a bit of a bigger bubbler as the plants on SOG are not allowed to grow that huge are they?
I'll let you know how I get on.
What would the best cloning method be considering I would like to then move them to a dwc bubbler?

Don't wanna confuse...but I would take the clones and leave her in flower if you don't have about 12 ft of headroom to work with....

I say this because..obviously..she's gonna be a MONSTER...and also because as a sativa...I still think she'll take a good 2-3 weeks to show sex/flowers/etc. That should be plenty of time to take clones and see if they root..and heck..probably to even take a second set if the first are a no go.

aeroponics would be my first choice for cloning/going into a DWC...then rockwool or Rapid rooters as a second choice...

Don't see this as a SOG plant myself....maybe SCROG or LST'd to shit...or just let her go in the DWC...top her at about 3 weeks into flower and then just stand back...

I'd be saving for a 1000 watt light too. this tall of a plant will need that depth of light penetration to fully produce buds...


And..I'd severely limit the amount of N I gave her. N and sativas don't mix well...long spindly buds on satis are usually because folks treat em like they do an indica...and she's gonna GROW LIKE MAD no matter ewhat because she's programmed to do so.

should be interesting... good luck!!

bt dt

huuu I am getting scared now, is she gonna blow the roof off my house?
ok so I read some faq about the aerocloning and I have a question.
do I need any hormone like clonex or anything else when doing aerocloning? I ask as the faq doesn't mention any of it it just says to soak 'em in water before butting them in the cloner.
gonna be building a cloner this week end probably the one with the bubble curtain as I already have the air pump.

thanks for all the help, very appreciated

Sorry, another question, if I keep the mom and keep trimming it wouldn't I be able to keep her at a decent height for a while? and in the meantime get clones?

gigi999 said:

HI,
yes I am growing inside because of location and climate.
I'm trying to give her as much light as possible but can't use hps as it is in a wall closet and I can't make holes in it.
I have 1 120watt warm eco-light on top plus 3 20watt 2700k and 2 25watt biobulbs, all on top. on the sides I have 3 25watts bulbs too. Don't know if it will be enough but it's just about 20000 lumens.
I don't quite get your post, what is the chance of her having seeds if I get rid of the male?
Are you saying that I should pollinate this plant to have a better result?
Also do you think I would be able to clone her? Do you think growing the clones in a bubbler will work?
Also how can I give her just 6h45m of light a day with 12 hours dark? that would shorten her day by 5h1m is that what you mean?

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Don't count on self-pollenation. In fact, you don't want a plant to do this. It's a hermaphrodite plant and you don't want them. Leave a male, let it dust the hell out of the girl stuff and get a butt load of seeds. Or just dust one branch very carefully and let the rest go sensimilla. Your smoke won't be too good on the seeded bud but you said you are not really a smoker anyway. Next go-round should produce some good bud but in my experience with Mex pot and especially Oaxacan, it is not too stoney. It grows some pretty bud, though. Maybe times have changed and the Mexican's have some good hybrid going but I have not actually heard that. Last time I had any some friends bought 32 kilos and made oil out of it. Now that was good but the bud was crap by itself and any I had ever seen was the same, pretty but useless compared to todays hybrids.

You can keep the plant in flower and take clones. Take cuts off the bottom of the plant where the flowers are not too visible. You can do this 3 or 4 weeks into bud, no problemo. Any plant will reveg from flowering but the further it is in bud, the longer it will take to re-veg. And remember that everytime you snip a top, it will lengthen the grow time of the plant. It has to recover from the cutting of the tops whereas taking a bottom branch will not change anything except increase energy (sugars) going to the tops and buds. And yes to hormex or any of the hormone powders and liquids that you dip a stem into before sticking it into your grow medium. I use "superthrive" and "hormex" both when rooting cuttings. I dip into the liquid Superthrive and then dip into the powder Hormex and then into my rooting cubes, Oasis Horticubes and then into a seedling tray with tall clear dome cover with a heat mat underneath to keep them warm. You get a mini rainforest inside the dome and will have well rooted cubes in less than a week, no more than two. I pre-soak the cubes and then just keep them damp while rooting takes place. Once rooted, just drop into your grow medium and you are set. There as many ways to the same end as there are days in the month but this one works very, very well for me and is quite simple.

laskabud said:

Don't count on self-pollenation. In fact, you don't want a plant to do this. It's a hermaphrodite plant and you don't want them. Leave a male, let it dust the hell out of the girl stuff and get a butt load of seeds. Or just dust one branch very carefully and let the rest go sensimilla. Your smoke won't be too good on the seeded bud but you said you are not really a smoker anyway. Next go-round should produce some good bud but in my experience with Mex pot and especially Oaxacan, it is not too stoney. It grows some pretty bud, though. Maybe times have changed and the Mexican's have some good hybrid going but I have not actually heard that. Last time I had any some friends bought 32 kilos and made oil out of it. Now that was good but the bud was crap by itself and any I had ever seen was the same, pretty but useless compared to todays hybrids.

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i grew up in cali and have smoked the best of the best and i say to youo my friend that oaxacan is up there. it is a "true" land race and has been bred a certain way for generations. chances are, because it is a mexican sativa, they will be herms. at least a couple seeds to a gram. this is not a bad thing. sensimilla hybrids are very potent in there own right but do not contain all the psychoactive cannabinoids found in outdoor pollenated flowers. and you people saying oaxacan is not too stoney have obviously smoked oaxacan brick weed, and in ITS own right gets you high after its been through god knows what. the reason SOG was suggested was beause these plants will not need any veg time to grow HUGE enough for a descent size plant (i also would prolly ScrOG or LST as apposed to topping or FIM), and yes DWC is the way to go. masive root system is the key. and good point on the N factor, im really excited to see this sativa grow indoor. and if she flowers depending on photo period i say keep a bushy mom in DWC and flower the clones. peace

sk3tch3 said:

i grew up in cali and have smoked the best of the best and i say to youo my friend that oaxacan is up there. it is a "true" land race and has been bred a certain way for generations. chances are, because it is a mexican sativa, they will be herms. at least a couple seeds to a gram. this is not a bad thing. sensimilla hybrids are very potent in there own right but do not contain all the psychoactive cannabinoids found in outdoor pollenated flowers. and you people saying oaxacan is not too stoney have obviously smoked oaxacan brick weed, and in ITS own right gets you high after its been through god knows what. the reason SOG was suggested was beause these plants will not need any veg time to grow HUGE enough for a descent size plant (i also would prolly ScrOG or LST as apposed to topping or FIM), and yes DWC is the way to go. masive root system is the key. and good point on the N factor, im really excited to see this sativa grow indoor. and if she flowers depending on photo period i say keep a bushy mom in DWC and flower the clones. peace

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Hi,
yes I am getting excited too, I have decided to build an aero cloner this week end and try and clone some of that baby.
I have put the mom back on veg schedule, only the top branches are showing sex so I guess I am still on time to get clones from the bottom.
would mum happily survive on a window? I took the males out and put one in the balcony (I live on the third floor and people can't be looking into the balcony) and he seemed to like it a lot. Wouldn't I be able to keep mom happy without a light just using the sun?
I ask this as I only have space for the dwc bubbler in there once I manage to get the clones and build a bigger bubbler for flowering.
Also do I or don't I need clonex in order to clone in a bubbler?

peace and love