Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

Integra21

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Integra21 that looks great but ill be in a apartment with 2 or 3 plants under the 400w in a 26'x46' tent i think. If you could answer some questions about venting i would much appreciate it. what cfm fan do i need? and what type of fan do i need? i figure i could hook ducting up to one end of the light hood and have it connected to the fan to suck the air out of the tent through the light. Im not sure where to put a carbon filter though because i need odor control. Im sorry if i made no sense but im pretty foggy about ventilation right now and its the only thing holding me back from buying all the parts and getting it going. its not my first grow but my first grow with a actual budget.
Ok a few basics here. On a tent(especially for smell) you want to have a negative air pressure. This is acheived by having the fan suck air out of the tent, instead of pushing air through. I recommend having an intake hole or vent low down on the cabinet. Then leave one end of the cool tube open, and hook duct work up to the other side. On the outside of the tent, mount a 6" inlne fan(like vortex, if it's under $100 its the wron fan) and hook the tube up to the intake on the fan. Then on the exhaust side of the fan, you can mount your charcoal filter directly to the fan. This will help cool air to be sucked into the tent, drawn up though your plants and then all of the old, stale, hot air to be exhausted from the room out of the top. And having the negative air pressure, smell wont escape trough the zippers or vent holes since if anything, they would now just be drawing more fresh air in. I made this diagram just for you

I hope this helps and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
 

Integra21

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why not use miracle grow? i've seen a bunch of people talk and say that it works, so whats really wrong with it?
I have personally used it and had nothing but problems compared to good soil. First off, it is not a clean source, miracle grow soil is usually riddled with incects and other forign contaminates that good soils dont usually have(if stored poperly). Believe me when I say you dont want this shit in your grow room, easiest way there is to get a spider mite infestation. Second it is very dense soil that is not good in general for marijuana it makes for poor drainage and makes your plants more prone to root rot. The density also makes it harder for roots to grow. Third is the consistency proble. Most people who have used it would agree, that each pot will end up with different water absorbtion charactoristics from pot to pot even if all of the soil is from the same bag example of 3 plants, one dries out in 2 days, the other in 4 and the last taking 8 days to dry enough to water again, which leads back to the root rot problem. I am not saying you cant grow good bud in the stuff, just that is more difficult and problem prone. Lets face it, you can grow in miracle grow with no ventillation under incandecent bulbs, but that doesnt mean that's the way you should grow. You will have much better results with a better soil, and the cost difference is almost not noticable. I could never figure out why people get so defensive about miracle grow wheh it costs $7 a bad, and good soil cost $10. Is that $3 really worth all of the potential problems?
 

Integra21

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i got it a Home Depot in their outside garden center by all of the chicken wire. That came in a 50ft roll for $15.
 

madazz

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Well Done, Looks like u know what your doing. got some dank looking buds there, bet it smokes up a treat! bet its sweet as fuk.

Madazz :weed:
 

Integra21

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The WW3 was awesome, but I just smoked the last of it last night. The WW1 was pretty good, but probly would have been much better if I could have reached maturity. Still waiting for a chance to smoke WW2, but will get to very shortly.
 

Ray Fox

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Dude... SICK GROW. Balls out is an understatement. Mad props to you man, this is really a beautiful beautiful grow you've got going. Feel free to check out our humble little grow when you can. + rep. :weed: :joint:
 

Integra21

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Looks good fox, but I would really recommend getting a better screen. You will have a lot less problems with moving shoots around.
 

Ray Fox

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Looks good fox, but I would really recommend getting a better screen. You will have a lot less problems with moving shoots around.
Oh hell yes. But hey man, this was a first time thing. Also we shoulda attached the net to the lid of the reservoir by some mechanism. Next time we'll be doing a DWC but sans the SCROG.
 

Integra21

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Oh hell yes. But hey man, this was a first time thing. Also we shoulda attached the net to the lid of the reservoir by some mechanism. Next time we'll be doing a DWC but sans the SCROG.
are you saying your not going to scrog the next one? With scrog's it is generally recommended not to attempt it until you have at least one good grow under your belt. I just happen to have good luck with it my first time around. But by no means should you let a little bad luck with the first run get you down. If it goes well, it has fantastic results, but can be a little tricky with a DWC setup. It's a 2 man project that takes like 20min to change the flowering room tub.
 

Integra21

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Awesome grow. I hope to get one like this going soon.
thanks a lot. I have definitely had some mishaps caused by me and some not caused by me, but have been lucky enough to still have a good crop going. I'm sure my next set of Blue Kush will look much better. Especially if my CO2 regulator decides to show up before i get old and die. I ordered it 2 weeks ago, hoping it would be here in time for the final growth spurt of this batch, but have had no such luck. Can't win them all.
 

nick17gar

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no comments, complaints, or compliments? Where's the love? I busted my ass getting this thread up.
well yea i can tell your busting your ass. great pics and comments. I too recently converted from soil to hydro and its def the way to go. I remember hearing that the temp was at 85? thats a lil high. 75 i think is the best. Whats ur pH at now? 6.2 for soil, 5.5 for hydro is what ive heard.

and what do you do for the aroma? i gotta figure something out for this myself.

Looks great man! keep up the good work
 

Integra21

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well yea i can tell your busting your ass. great pics and comments. I too recently converted from soil to hydro and its def the way to go. I remember hearing that the temp was at 85? thats a lil high. 75 i think is the best. Whats ur pH at now? 6.2 for soil, 5.5 for hydro is what ive heard.

and what do you do for the aroma? i gotta figure something out for this myself.

Looks great man! keep up the good work
In my flower room the temps are always between 73-78F. In the veg area it can get up to 85F but usually hovers around 80F. I will be bumping the flower temp up to around 80F once the CO2 regulator shows up(ordered 2 weeks ago, and not even a shipping comfirmation yet). As far as ph goes, I hold steady around 5.8. It seems to be the best set point. I'll let it drift as low as 5.7 and as high as 6.0 and havent noticed any problems with it yet. I also have higher than normal res temps, but havent had any issues with that either. The lower(outside) temps on my thermometers is my res temps. Usually only a few degreese coled than the room temp.

Also, If I havent mentioned it yet, I update late every Sunday(actually Mon.) so a new update will be up in about 4-5 hours.
 

<stealthgrowing>

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Man you did quit well for yourself with the White Widow. I'll be getting some Widow for my grow cabinet which is under construction and can be viewed here:

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/219696-grow-cabinet-build-log-pics.html

Good, dank shit should keep you high for at least a few hours. I have such fond memories of selling dro. I was fortunate enough to be supplied with White Widow, some purple shit, some orange cali kush, all in all the best pot I have ever smoked. Hopefully, my Widow grow will yield some dank like yours!
 

Integra21

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Week 22 Update

I thought I'd start this update out a little different than normal and give a walk-through of my grow room since I have not yet done it. Though people might want to see how a made good use of this unique layout. To start with, I have a split level house. You walk in the front door and there is a short set of stairs going up and a short set going down. If you walk down the stairs and turn to the left, you'll see 3 doors in a U shape.


Looking at the pic above, the door on the right is my utility room, strait in front goes out to the garage, and the door on the left is a small closet under the stairs going up. This closet is where all of my cable connections are and I have my modem and router set up in there giving my whole house hard-lined internet(great for xbox live and streaming HD video to all of the TVs). But in this closet, there is a small opening leading to a small crawlspace under the lower stairs. In here is where the magic happens.




Before we go in, here's an overlay of the floor plan.

As you enter the room you come into the Mother Area for WW3 and Blue Kush as well as where my nutrients are and I do all of my mixing here. I just installed this RO system in hopes of making sure the same problems I had with my water will not happen again
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As you look through to the seedlings in front of you you'll see a couple of branches poking out on the left. These are the WW1&2 mothers and my blue kush seed I got from a bag of dank grown from the blue kush mother and clones I now have. The best part about this area is that it is about 1.5feet taller than the rest of the grow area, which gives the mothers that much more to grow.

Now, on the other side of the wall is where my humidity dome and seedlings grow which is under the stairs themselves. Next to that in the same area is the veg tub for my clones. If you are sitting in front of the clone tub and look 90deg. to the right, you will see my flower room. Obviously everyone's favorite place.



And now time for the real update




We are now 22 weeks into this grow. The WW1&2 clones are now 10 weeks into flowering. The Blue Mystic, Mango, and Mazar seedlings are growing like crazy. They all have a decent amount or roots growing and are keeping on a fast pace despite the fact that they are recovering from a nutrient burn that was caused by possibly still contaminated water or me adding fulvic acid to my nutrient solution off of a recommendation from the guy at the grow store. what an ass, or he thought I was growing something else. I stopped adding it and changed the tubs and buckets and the burn seemed to stop. Didn't have the water fixed till today so I'm leaning more towards the folvic acid. All of the Blue kush clones have rooted and been transplanted into hydrotron. 1 imparticular is doing better than the others. The piss has rooted as well but only has 1 root visable and it shows(worst looking 1 in the tub).


The WW3 mother is still growing nuts. Color is good all over and all but the very bottom leaves are perky. The rootball is huge and takes up the entire bucket. Anxious to grow more of this, thinking about moving my mothers and turning my whole current area into a flowering room and seeing what LED's and a couple of UVB bulbs could do since I already know how my Son Agro did. The blue Kush that I originally picked as the mother is actually doing the best out of all of them, so no need to rearrange clones.




Now for the goods. The WW1&2 clones are now 10 weeks into flowering. I am hoping to harvest next weekend. Almost all of the trichomes are cloudy, a few clear, and no amber. The buds are getting even denser and frosty. Starting to look real good. At the moment, WW2 has a much better smell to me and has also suffer less from the nutrient burn, but still hasn't put on the weight that WW1 has. But it also seems to be a week or 2 behind WW1 as well, so we'll have to see. The Piss clone has clearly show it is a female and pistil grow is further than I expected at this amount of time(2 weeks I think). The Blue Kush bag seed hasn't shown any signs of sex but has grown much larger than the piss. But enough talking, for everyone's viewing pleasure, Integra's Widow Girls raw and uncut. Inappropriate for viewers under the age of 18!



















 

GringoLoco

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Kudos! You sir have got a very green thumb; very nice setup, your attention to detail is very apparent and it's not surprising to see your results.
 
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