Being bent over at the gas pump...

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Dirty Harry

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(In the Midwest) There is the occasional elderly person found frozen to death in their homes with no heat/electricity due to not being able to afford it.
Those are sorry stories and a reason some places, but not all, have laws preventing the disconnection of heat/electricity during the most cold months of winter.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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beardo said:
I have been in many homes with home heating fuel fired furnaces for heat and hot water...their common especially in the midwest and north east the colder regions use it more. I can not site an example of an old person dying specificly because of a rise in the cost of heating oil but I know when their is a really cold winter you will hear of a old people freezing to death in their home. Their are programs to help the elderly who cant afford heating fuel because this is recognised as a problem. Let me see real quick if I can find a article that equates the elderly who freeze with high oil prices.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-warned-over-cuts-to-winter-fuel-allowance-2055990.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1320577/Pensioners-fuel-poverty-doubles-years-Government-plans-cut-payment.html
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Ok, fair enough. I had no idea people used oil to heat their homes anywhere. But as far as my original point goes, I stand by that. I don't actually believe there is a significant problem with elderly people freezing because gas prices go up a little. Even if that is true, it just means we need to find a way to heat those homes another way.

Oil isn't worth all the wars, damage to the environment, and associated terrorism problems.
 
beardo

beardo

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Dan Kone said:
we need to find a way to heat those homes another way.

Oil isn't worth all the wars, damage to the environment, and associated terrorism problems.
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Agreed. I actually think Ethanol would be a great -at least temporary- solution to our dependence on forigen oil...and all the trouble that goes along with it. I agree we shouldn't be using corn. It doesnt make sense to subsidise farmers to grow corn to tirn into alcohol but you can make alcohol out of allmost anything we could turn our trash into fuel this would make sense if we built ethanol probuction plants at the waste centers and powered them with wind ,solar, or heat/steam from incinorators if they were using them. we would still need some oil for plastics, lubricants, fertilizers, but we have enough to supply ourselves for those needs. You can also make synthetic oil but I dont think it is cost or enviornmentally effective
 
jeff f

jeff f

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Dan Kone said:
Yeah, cause that happens all the time. Douche.

I guess it's ok to bomb countries killing people to protect oil interests as long as it saves hypothetical elderly people.
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you should get out more and educate yourself as to whats really happening on planet earth. in mickey mouse playland reality never happens

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jan/11/elderly-death-rates-winter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252461/British-Gas-profits-surge-50-cash-strapped-elderly-freeze.html

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/freeze-hits-elderly-struggling-families-hard-20100707-zzwh.html
 
jeff f

jeff f

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Dan Kone said:
He's failing to mention that the only state where it's even possible to heat your home with energy that comes from oil is Hawaii. So there is apparently a hypothetical elderly person freezing to death in... Hawaii? lol
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you sir are a complete idiot. do you make these foolish statements up or do the voices in your head tell you to write them down? everywhere in the united states is heated by oil you putz. unless you live with your mommy and she heats with magik stoves.

and for the bonehead that said woodstoves, you have obviously never been poor. if the have a house heated by oil, and cant afford oil, what makes you think they can afford tocompletely redo the heating system for their house? seriously, do your moms know you are on the internet?
 
jeff f

jeff f

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Dan Kone said:
No, actually I haven't. It's not used all over America because I've never even been in a house that uses anything except natural gas or electricity.

People show me examples of elderly people dying because the price of oil went up. Apparently this is some sort of epidemic that I've never heard of. Enlighten me.
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no, whats blatently apparant is that you are ignorant. i would venture a gues that upwards of 40 percent of homes are heated with oil. most factories use oil dingbat.

for examples, read a fucking paper. better yet, go the fuck to bed you have school in the morning.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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beardo said:
Agreed. I actually think Ethanol would be a great
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Ethanol is great. If you make it out of switchgrass or sugar cane (and possibly hemp??) Then it is very efficient. The idea that we need to make it out of corn is just a scam to increase demand for corn, raising corn prices. Corn ethanol has little to no environmental benefit. It takes almost as much oil to produce corn ethanol as it replaces in a gas tank. Only in certain temperature ranges is there any environmental benefit what so ever.

Switchgrass ethanol is highly effient. But the corn lobby is very powerful, so we don't get to have legit ethanol.

This means that switchgrass ethanol delivers 540 percent of the energy used to produce it, compared with just roughly 25 percent more energy returned by corn-based ethanol according to the most optimistic studies.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn

We are basically being totally fucked over by the corn lobby in a lot of ways. It would be nice if we didn't have corn forced on us. I like corn, but I'm happy just eating plain corn and having people feed livestock with it. We don't need crap like high fructose corn syrup, we don't need to build things out of corn, and we don't need to run cars off of it unless they can do it efficiently.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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jeff f said:
you should get out more and educate yourself as to whats really happening on planet earth. in mickey mouse playland reality never happens

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jan/11/elderly-death-rates-winter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252461/British-Gas-profits-surge-50-cash-strapped-elderly-freeze.html

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/freeze-hits-elderly-struggling-families-hard-20100707-zzwh.html
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Fail. That is England and Australia.

Even if your hypothetical situation existed, all that means is we have to find a way to get those people off of oil. Oil is the problem, not the solution.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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jeff f said:
no, whats blatently apparant is that you are ignorant. i would venture a gues that upwards of 40 percent of homes are heated with oil.
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Not in California apparently. Sounds unlikely, but even if that were to be true, then we should find a way to get them off oil.

I don't see how transferring this country's wealth to the Saudi royal family helps us long term.
 
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Dirty Harry

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Dan Kone said:
Ethanol is great. If you make it out of switchgrass or sugar cane (and possibly hemp??) Then it is very efficient. The idea that we need to make it out of corn is just a scam to increase demand for corn, raising corn prices. Corn ethanol has little to no environmental benefit. It takes almost as much oil to produce corn ethanol as it replaces in a gas tank. Only in certain temperature ranges is there any environmental benefit what so ever.

Switchgrass ethanol is highly effient. But the corn lobby is very powerful, so we don't get to have legit ethanol.
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Anyone have an idea of how much water is used and then wasted in making corn ethanol? A town near me had to upgrade their billing software because they could not calculate a bill for millions of gallons of water for a user. They were seriously under billing the ethanol plant until they updated their software. If you consider water to be a valuable commodity, a lot of it goes down the drain.
 
beardo

beardo

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Dirty Harry said:
Anyone have an idea of how much water is used and then wasted in making corn ethanol? A town near me had to upgrade their billing software because they could not calculate a bill for millions of gallons of water for a user. They were seriously under billing the ethanol plant until they updated their software. If you consider water to be a valuable commodity, a lot of it goes down the drain.
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you would have to use waste water because like you said it uses a ton of water.
 
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Dirty Harry

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beardo said:
you would have to use waste water because like you said it uses a ton of water.
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Yea, but this plant isn't near any river. I has to pull city water. I understand what your saying, but even waste water can me turned back into drinking water and that still is taking something away that we need. NO I AM NOT A TREE HUGER! I hate those people but you see my point.
In fact a few water hungry companies have failed in my area. The loss of water usage profits caused rate increases. If these plants are paying cities for their huge amount of water needs...and then suddenly shut down for any reason that will cause problems for all who get water from that company. That scenario has no shit happened where I live.
 
medicineman

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beardo said:
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It probably takes more energy to power the plant than it produces. Most man made fuels do. Take corn fuel, it actually takes more energy to produce and transport the fuel, including growing harvesting and processing, then distributing it, than the combined energy you get from the fuel. it is a negative energy deal. Making auto fuel freom food is a real bad Idea. Only the mega corn farmers are benefiting, the Agro coalition pays big bucks to congress to keep this sham going.
 
beardo

beardo

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medicineman said:
It probably takes more energy to power the plant than it produces. Most man made fuels do. Take corn fuel, it actually takes more energy to produce and transport the fuel, including growing harvesting and processing, then distributing it, than the combined energy you get from the fuel. it is a negative energy deal. Making auto fuel freom food is a real bad Idea. Only the mega corn farmers are benefiting, the Agro coalition pays big bucks to congress to keep this sham going.
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Your right thats why i said it would have to be wind or solar powered

beardo said:
Agreed. I actually think Ethanol would be a great -at least temporary- solution to our dependence on forigen oil...and all the trouble that goes along with it. I agree we shouldn't be using corn. It doesnt make sense to subsidise farmers to grow corn to tirn into alcohol but you can make alcohol out of allmost anything we could turn our trash into fuel this would make sense if we built ethanol probuction plants at the waste centers and powered them with wind ,solar, or heat/steam from incinorators if they were using them. we would still need some oil for plastics, lubricants, fertilizers, but we have enough to supply ourselves for those needs. You can also make synthetic oil but I dont think it is cost or enviornmentally effective
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LightningMcGreen

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Best way to combat high gas prices...drive a honda lol

If your job demands something bigger however (hauling tools, ladders, etc) get a small s10 or somethin and say fuck it.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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LightningMcGreen said:
Best way to combat high gas prices...drive a honda lol

If your job demands something bigger however (hauling tools, ladders, etc) get a small s10 or somethin and say fuck it.
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i would like to see you run a successful construction operation using s-10's. you may be able to paint a house with an s-10 but you sure as hell arent gonna build a house with an s-10.

hey i got an idea, DRILL FOR FUCKING OIL THERE IS PLENTY OUT THERE. why is this so hard for the left to accept?
 
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