Bernie Sanders Spearheads a Call to Defeat Our System that Deliberately Creates Massive Poverty

Andrewk420 said:

This is my problem with leftist politics, it's always about identity. The poor, the disabled, black people, white people, brown people, LGBT, etc. It all leads to what the last page of this post has demonstrated.

"they need to find someone amongst themselves" "I can't help because I'm not one of them?"

When you make groups that you don't "fit" the other, even when you're doing it under the guise of "help", it's divisive.

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Welcome to the Achilles Heel of Democratic Party politics.

ttystikk said:

At last count, Democrats have lost 1200+ seats in state and national elections since my Obama took office, so they literally have nowhere to go but up.

Yet here you are, bleating about how everyone has to fall in line with THEIR agenda, rather than holding them accountable for representing the needs of the American People.

You're damned right I'm not going to keep voting for them unless and until they do more than pay lip service to the issues I care about while grabbing at the corporate cash with both hands.

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Just look at the facts about your so-called movement. Our Revolution is in disarray because even in cherry-picked liberal districts they lose more often than they win. Justice Democrats mis-spent 1.8 million dollars on non-campaign activities while only spending $18,000 on campaigns -- the whiff of corruption taints them. Don't forget that Bernie lost to Clinton by a 12% margin in a fair election.

You want Democratic Party leadership to listen to your ship of fools and maybe jump on board?

Personally, I vote for progressives and progressive causes but I'm under no false impression that most of the country is like me. For example, Bernie's healthcare bill that would force 60 million people off health care plans that they like. Yeah, I support it. No, I don't think it is a good policy to run on in less than liberal districts. Healthcare is an important issue even in conservative districts. In those districts, Bernie's universal healthcare plan also unfinished and unfunded is a loser. Shoring up the ACA, is a winning policy in those (and most) districts.

that may be how i came across, what i meant was that the only politician i would trust would be one that pulled him or her self up and got elected on merit. someone who has the sense not to commit impeachable acts before they ever get to office. who has the integrity to say no to lobbyist, who has the self control to not grab people by the genitalia, who has nothing to fear from prying eyes....and i don't see that person coming from the 1%, or even from the 10%.

trippnface said:

What the fuck did you expect him to do?

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Remove them, or have them removed, the same way anyone else with actual balls would have if some douchebags tried to take over their stage.

But he didn't do shit, because he's a giant pussy coward who's only skill in life is being able to convince some desperate, ignorant, or foolish people into believing that he'll steal other peoples money and distribute it to them for votes.

Absolutel trash.

Fogdog said:

Just look at the facts about your so-called movement. Our Revolution is in disarray because even in cherry-picked liberal districts they lose more often than they win. Justice Democrats mis-spent 1.8 million dollars on non-campaign activities while only spending $18,000 on campaigns -- the whiff of corruption taints them. Don't forget that Bernie lost to Clinton by a 12% margin in a fair election.

You want Democratic Party leadership to listen to your ship of fools and maybe jump on board?

Personally, I vote for progressives and progressive causes but I'm under no false impression that most of the country is like me. For example, Bernie's healthcare bill that would force 60 million people off health care plans that they like. Yeah, I support it. No, I don't think it is a good policy to run on in less than liberal districts. Healthcare is an important issue even in conservative districts. In those districts, Bernie's universal healthcare plan also unfinished and unfunded is a loser. Shoring up the ACA, is a winning policy in those (and most) districts.

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Good grief- the Progressive Movement has only gotten it's legs under it after the Chump was elected, yet you busily manufacture excuses to call them a failure.

What about the loss of 1200+ Democratic Party seats nationwide? Talk about disarray!

Roger A. Shrubber said:

that may be how i came across, what i meant was that the only politician i would trust would be one that pulled him or her self up and got elected on merit. someone who has the sense not to commit impeachable acts before they ever get to office. who has the integrity to say no to lobbyist, who has the self control to not grab people by the genitalia, who has nothing to fear from prying eyes....and i don't see that person coming from the 1%, or even from the 10%.

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My standards are a bit higher than basic professionalism; acceptable politicians need to represent the 90%, not just the top 10%.

ttystikk said:

You're quite right; we don't have anything to lose because we don't see the establishment Democratic Party as representing the needs of average Americans much if any better than the right wingers. At best, they'll put up better window dressing to distract from their grabbing at the corporate cash- and giving more handouts to them to get it.

Soooooo 'give us Progressives or go into the dustbin of history'.

Since you aren't a Progressive (lip service being the only evidence to the contrary), I don't expect you to understand.

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Not a very good deflection. You a white man and supported by your parents or a trust fund. You aren't going to be hurt by Trump's ICE force's actions. You aren't affected by Republican efforts at mismanaging the ACA unto death. You can afford to sit comfortably by and watch Trump raid and suppress others. "vote for my team or I'll give you Trump and the GOP" Yeah fuck that

Wilksey said:

Remove them, or have them removed, the same way anyone else with actual balls would have if some douchebags tried to take over their stage.

But he didn't do shit, because he's a giant pussy coward who's only skill in life is being able to convince some desperate, ignorant, or foolish people into believing that he'll steal other peoples money and distribute it to them for votes.

Absolutel trash.

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Are you serious right now? WTF is wrong with letting your constituents speak their mind about the issues important to them?

I'm betting you hate it because you really don't give a fuck about what women or minorites want and would rather not have to listen to it.

ttystikk said:

My standards are a bit higher than basic professionalism; acceptable politicians need to represent the 90%, not just the top 10%.

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your standards may be unrealistically high, i was afraid i was dreaming asking for what i was asking for....

ttystikk said:

Good grief- the Progressive Movement has only gotten it's legs under it after the Chump was elected, yet you busily manufacture excuses to call them a failure.

What about the loss of 1200+ Democratic Party seats nationwide? Talk about disarray!

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What happened to that $1.8 million Our Revolution reported as spent on non-campaign activities?

Did I manufacture that Sanders lost by 12% of the Democratic party vote?

Did I manufacture that as of May, Our Revolution's endorsed candidates are losing 60% of the time in cherry picked liberal districts? None of the races they won were significant national offices either. In one case in Georgia, Our Revolution quite tardily endorsed the same candidate the DCCC had endorsed because they wanted to claim a win. The reason I quote May statistics is because Our Revolution hasn't updated their results page. When I checked, the first six candidates I looked up for results in June had lost. Our Revolution is mismanaged and in disarray. Bernie isn't a leader. He's just a good campaigner for himself.

The Democratic Party and its leadership are telling Bernie and his cult. "We neither want nor need you". They said it loud and clear the day Perez came out in support of Cuomo. Perez gave Bernie's cult a slap with the back of his hand when he said "Cuomo represented the accomplishments wing of the Democratic Party". Implication being Bernie represents inaction and feebleness.

Go start your third party. Or maybe start listening to others for a change. That voice in your head is giving you bad advice.

Fogdog said:

Not a very good deflection. You a white man and supported by your parents or a trust fund. You aren't going to be hurt by Trump's ICE force's actions. You aren't affected by Republican efforts at mismanaging the ACA unto death. You can afford to sit comfortably by and watch Trump raid and suppress others. "vote for my team or I'll give you Trump and the GOP" Yeah fuck that

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are you specifically referring to Tty, or do you think all white males are supported by their parents, or a trust fund? because i can assure you, that is not he case for many of us. my parents haven't supported me for more that 30 years, and i've never had a trust fund...and anyone i care for enough to make friends with is in the same boat, bailing away

Fogdog said:

Not a very good deflection. You a white man and supported by your parents or a trust fund. You aren't going to be hurt by Trump's ICE force's actions. You aren't affected by Republican efforts at mismanaging the ACA unto death. You can afford to sit comfortably by and watch Trump raid and suppress others. "vote for my team or I'll give you Trump and the GOP" Yeah fuck that

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Lol if you think that's an accurate description of me then you're living in Fantasyland... a hypothesis supported by your political fantasies.

Your personal attacks and misrepresentations amount to an utter failure to rebut my assertions and may be fairly taken as capitulation.

trippnface said:

So you just support the bigger and even more corrupt shithead?

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lol, you just called bernie corrupt

Roger A. Shrubber said:

are you specifically referring to Tty, or do you think all white males are supported by their parents, or a trust fund? because i can assure you, that is not he case for many of us. my parents haven't supported me for more that 30 years, and i've never had a trust fund...and anyone i care for enough to make friends with is in the same boat, bailing away

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I was specifically referring to tty. I think that people who support liberal causes yet step aside to let Republicans win in a statement of ideological purity are only able to do so because they or their family won't be negatively affected by Republican actions. Tty's and other's claims of purity while letting Republican beasts rape and pillage others, I find offensive and harmful to those who can least afford it.

ttystikk said:

Lol if you think that's an accurate description of me then you're living in Fantasyland... a hypothesis supported by your political fantasies.

Your personal attacks and misrepresentations amount to an utter failure to rebut my assertions and may be fairly taken as capitulation.

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I'm simply pointing out that you have practically nothing to lose if Republicans maintain control of Congress and therefore can afford to maintain a pose of acting out of ideological purity with your vote rather than pragmatically.

I am calling your "poor me" claims BS. You don't work, have not ever talked about needing to find work and have spent a fair amount on legal representation recently. Yet you have a house and a pretty good budget for indoor growing equipment. Yes, I think you are a trust fund baby, most likely. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just saying, don't cry poor me.

Wilksey said:

Remove them, or have them removed, the same way anyone else with actual balls would have if some douchebags tried to take over their stage.

But he didn't do shit, because he's a giant pussy coward who's only skill in life is being able to convince some desperate, ignorant, or foolish people into believing that he'll steal other peoples money and distribute it to them for votes.

Absolutel trash.

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and risk getting called a racist and anti BLM ?


He clearly understands the current political stage better than yourself.

trippnface said:

and risk getting called a racist and anti BLM ?


He clearly understands the current political stage better than yourself.

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The more damning part of that photo is the backstory of why BLM reps felt they had to crash Bernie's campaign rallys.

Bernie has always treated minority and women's rights issues as if they were invisible.

Fogdog said:

I was specifically referring to tty. I think that people who support liberal causes yet step aside to let Republicans win in a statement of ideological purity are only able to do so because they or their family won't be negatively affected by Republican actions. Tty's and other's claims of purity while letting Republican beasts rape and pillage others, I find offensive and harmful to those who can least afford it.

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Your misrepresentations of my actions and positions has poisoned your attitude to the point where you aren't responding to what I think but rather what you ascribe to me.

That would be your problem, not mine.

travisw said:

515 members of congress didn't sign your letter. If either of you actually care about this issue, why bring up 1 person out of 515 who didn't sign it. You could of, I don't know maybe talked about what was in it, but you saw it as an excellent opportunity to shit on a women who lost her legs for her country and still managed to accomplish mote than the two of you combined.

You should be fucking embarrassed.

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i triggered her good

What do you guys think Bernie plan for 2020 should be? does he continue to run under the dem party/fight for a nomination that he is never going to get.