Big problems in poland
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rollingarkansas
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Baaa!!!!!!!
rollingarkansas
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Great! Thanks alot!
doc111
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NO problem my friend.
SocataSmoker
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Being a pilot, this is how I see it:
Shitty Russian jet with extremely outdated avionics, prick President demanding the pilot land at THAT specific airport, and crap runway visual range....
=
Accident.
Sounds in Youtube video resembling gunshots are probably just one of the hundreds of items on board a burning airliner that can combust.
doc111
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But, but what about the shadowy figures and the Russian being spoken? lol! It's amazing how these "assassins" go to this wreckage to kill the president of a sovereign nation but are careless enough to not see the guys filming their every move. Doh!
The plane I learned to fly on was 60 years old and had every piece of avionics gear one could need to fly either by visual or instrument. The avionics gear is easily removed and replaced with new gear as it comes along. No different than installing a new stereo in your car. I HIGHLY doubt a Presidential plane has outdated equipment and is not up to snuff with avionics. Hundreds of items that could combust? Are you being brainless here? Do you know what happens to airplanes that carry explosives? They blow up and crash. Airplanes DO NOT HAVE hundreds of combustibles in them, they have NO combustibles at all because they are AIRPLANES!!! Having things that can blow up is very detrimental to air travel and they do not allow those kinds of items on airplanes. Try taking a fire cracker on your next flight, see what happens.
Im not saying this is a conspiracy, but lets try not to get too far out there trying to explain it away.
But, but what about the shadowy figures and the Russian being spoken? lol! It's amazing how these "assassins" go to this wreckage to kill the president of a sovereign nation but are careless enough to not see the guys filming their every move. Doh!
If every move was filmed there would be no question of wrongdoing, unfortunately only enough was captured in video to make one wonder.
i don't speak russian or polish so the video's worthless for now.
i will note how the shadowy figures and gunshots, i definetly heard gunshots, i think it might have been someone's service pistol (he was the president, i guess he had bodyguards) heating up and going off.
the shadowy figures were just there combing the wreckage looking for survivors.... i don't think they're screaming "KILL HIM KILL HIM!!"...
the screaming is probably more of a "be careful, i think she's gonna blow up!!" "it smells like gasoline! get the hell out of there"...something along those lines.....
i will note how the shadowy figures and gunshots, i definetly heard gunshots, i think it might have been someone's service pistol (he was the president, i guess he had bodyguards) heating up and going off.
the shadowy figures were just there combing the wreckage looking for survivors.... i don't think they're screaming "KILL HIM KILL HIM!!"...
the screaming is probably more of a "be careful, i think she's gonna blow up!!" "it smells like gasoline! get the hell out of there"...something along those lines.....
Balzac89
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Heres my number one problem with the video. These so called rescuers come from the wooded area. If you take a look at the areial view of the crash sit and compare objects such as the position of the cockpit the "rescuers" are coming from the wooded area, unlike the guy filming who is approaching from the direction of the airport? The area the rescuers come from is nothing but a wooded area and i cant say for certain but they seem to be military. The main problem i have with that is the airport is a civillian airpost.
Smolensk North Airport (Russian военный аэродром "Смоленск-Северный", "Smolensk North Military Aerodrome") is a decommissioned military airbase in Smolensk Oblast, Russia, located 4 km north of the city of Smolensk. It is now used as Smolensk's sole airport for civil and military flights.[1] It has a remote revetment area with 8 pads and a Yakovlev factory at the southeast side of the airfield, the Smolensk Aviation Plant.
The airport was originally built in the 1920s, and it eventually became a class 1 airfield with a runway 2500 m long and 49 m wide, capable of handling planes over 75 tons in weight.[2]
Prior to 1991, it was home to the 401 IAP (401st Interceptor Aviation Regiment[2], disbanded around 1990), flying MiG-23P aircraft, and the 871 IAP, flying MiG-23 and Su-27.
From 1946[2] until 2009, the base hosted an airlift unit, the 103 Gv VTAP (103rd Guards Military Air Transport Regiment, full name in Russian: 103-й гвардейский Красносельский Краснознамённый военно-транспортный авиационный полк имени Героя Советского Союза В. С. Гризодубовой),[3] flying Ilyushin Il-76 jets.[4][5] At one point, about 28 Ilyushin Il-76 aircraft were based there.
The regiment was disbanded in the fall of 2009, and since then there have been no active units at the base except for a small airbase command post.[3]
Smolensk North Airport (Russian военный аэродром "Смоленск-Северный", "Smolensk North Military Aerodrome") is a decommissioned military airbase in Smolensk Oblast, Russia, located 4 km north of the city of Smolensk. It is now used as Smolensk's sole airport for civil and military flights.[1] It has a remote revetment area with 8 pads and a Yakovlev factory at the southeast side of the airfield, the Smolensk Aviation Plant.
The airport was originally built in the 1920s, and it eventually became a class 1 airfield with a runway 2500 m long and 49 m wide, capable of handling planes over 75 tons in weight.[2]
Prior to 1991, it was home to the 401 IAP (401st Interceptor Aviation Regiment[2], disbanded around 1990), flying MiG-23P aircraft, and the 871 IAP, flying MiG-23 and Su-27.
From 1946[2] until 2009, the base hosted an airlift unit, the 103 Gv VTAP (103rd Guards Military Air Transport Regiment, full name in Russian: 103-й гвардейский Красносельский Краснознамённый военно-транспортный авиационный полк имени Героя Советского Союза В. С. Гризодубовой),[3] flying Ilyushin Il-76 jets.[4][5] At one point, about 28 Ilyushin Il-76 aircraft were based there.
The regiment was disbanded in the fall of 2009, and since then there have been no active units at the base except for a small airbase command post.[3]
Balzac89
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Ms. Szczypinska, who gave up her seat on the flight just hours before it took off, said she had been informed by Polish journalists at the crash site that Russian authorities demanded that witnesses who had been waiting to greet the dignitaries hand over their cameras and cellphones.
“I have flown many times on that plane and I knew the pilots, and I am convinced that it wasn’t a pilot’s mistake that led to this tragedy,” she said in an interview on Thursday. “It is disturbing the way the Russian side has been communicating, issuing statements, and how they had their version of events from the beginning. It is very strange, and we expect answers.”
SocataSmoker
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Let me correct you...
This was a Russian aircraft, and as such, the "plug and play" avionics ability you have in your 1956 Cessna 172 is certainly not the case in the 1960 Tupolev Tu-154... as the Russian pilots will tell you, "What goes in cockpit, stays in cockpit"
And next... on a modern airliner, there are indeed hundreds of combustibles, usually from passengers hand baggage or belongings, like aerosols, or the oxygen tanks in the actual aircraft, even the tires on the aircraft, they ain't filled with just normal air you know... they use nitrogen to add a buffer because of the extreme temperatures faced on land and at altitude.
Next, having worked for a cargo operator, planes carry combustibles all the time... but FAA rules don't allow explosives on passenger carrying planes, which is why we used stickers like this:
My experience comes from over 1,500 hours at FL260, so this statement in the article disturbs me heavily...
Meaning no ILS... meaning no way to tell where you are except by help of radar and that is IT. With the weather as it was, he wouldn't have been able to see the runway lights until he was touching down.
No way in hell or high water I'd land in those conditions, in that aircraft.
No way in hell you'd ever find me in a Russian built aircraft for that matter.
doc111
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I wanna know why some people think that they can tell for sure that what they are hearing on the video are gunshots? I served in a Marine Recon battallion for over 5 years and have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds (We trained constantly). There is no way to tell gunshots on a crappy video so that's a FAIL!
kendothegreenwizard
Active Member
And you can tell they aren't gunshots??? FAIL!!!
doc111
Well-Known Member
I never said they weren't.......the burden of proof is usually on the person making the claim.
There is no way to prove that gunshots are authentic by listening to audio from some crappy youtube video, or any audio recording for that matter. Socata, who is a very experienced pilot even pointed out that there are numerous things on any given plane that are combustible and could make a popping sound, similar to a gunshot. I can atest to this because of my 15 + years of firefighting experience, 4 of which were spent on an airport crash rig.
It could've been a starter's pistol, fireworks, etc. 
I never make outrageous claims which can't be backed up by science or cold hard facts. I also would never pretend to have knowledge of a subject where I haven't any. Maybe this video is authentic and maybe there is treachery afoot. I wasn't there so I can't say but my guess is neither can any of the other posters on this forum. Keep it real!
