black worms in my roots

while changing nutrients (not organic), I flushed roots with a h2o2 solution. I noticed black worms, 1/4 to 3/8" in length. Suspect fungus knats but seem too long. Haven't seen any adults. Don't have a camera that can zoom in enough for a decent pic. Any ideas for eradicating??

i had some shit like that i never knew what they were but they ate my plant out of the ground and it just fell over had no roots i thought they were maggots

Hopefully they're not syphillids. You gotta id them. You could try a tobacco drench. 3 ciggs in about 2 qts of water, soak overnight and drench. Don't use menthols though....I don't think.

Just came out of a major loss in bloom from what think was pythium (school of hard knocks)... guess its good I don't have many plants left. Soaking roots in a h2o2 bath. Worms crawlin to the outside but not dying. Hell, I've been tweezering them out and droppin them in bleach water. Hardy little boogers...

im assuming you dont use organic nutes, since you've already done a H2O2 bath.
try giving em a rinse in a bleach solution, pretty much same as H2O2 but a bit stronger.
i use 1ML per gal.

No organic nutes.... too newbie for that bag of troubles. Didn't know I could use bleach water on the roots. Thanks for the info.

yea neither did i untill RIU haha
you just wanna be more careful then with H2O2, less is more! i use less then 1 T spoon for a 20 GAL resivour
and make sure non of the dead worms get back into the system. that will cause a whole heep of trouble..

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/327967-bleach-instead-h2o2.html

heres a link, if your interested.

Read everything here about bleach and everything about h2o2.... don't know what to think. Some say use bleach while others say not to cause of salts, residue, etc....

You'all have a mountain of growing experience...I respect that a great deal. I don't want to re-invent the wheel, or disrespect anyone. jus want some good medicine.

Most say stay away from organics. Ok, I got that... I've thrown away additives and using only General Hydroponics nutrients that I started with.
Considering the severity of my situation... (the pythium(?) trashed my bloom plants, only 2 surviving-but barely) and the threat of re-introducing the fungus gnat larvae from my neighbors vegetable garden, I need a strong cure, then good maintenance.

A friend had first told me about h2o2, so I stocked up on 3% from local drug store. Was bathing roots in one part h2o2 to 2 part distilled water to deal with blight like he told me to do.
I believe I stopped the fungus gnat problem, but my bloom plants look like crap still.
I'm concerned that the pythium wilt is still there since the two remaining plants in bloom have dropped a lot of leaves and still showing droop.

yes, this all can be VERY confusing. i was just as baffled as you when i started bro,
and every grower will have a diffrent opinion on h2o2/bleach, everybody has diffrent results with each. you want to do what works best for you/your system personally.

if you used organics nutes sometime in this grow, there is still organic residue in your tubing/pump etc..
you need to clean out the system and sterilize everything.
and befor you get ahead of yourself you should take a step back, and try to find what caused the problems in the first place. heat?light? stagnant water?
fix that first, this the key to the cure working(found personally the hard way, battled for 2 months with pythium, FINALLY got water chilled and havent had one problem since)


i would say since the h2o2 hasnt worked you should give bleach a try, its MUCH stronger then 3%.
i would pull plants from the system, bath roots, and sterilze the entire system, resivour,tubing,pump,EVERYTHING. wipe it all down with bleach water and rinse GOOD. mix a new soulution, return plants. and use a very small amount of bleach in the nute solution.

you need to get all the fungus,bacteria,worms, EVERYTHING out befor you see improvement.
ill keep checking back and help more with anything i didnt explain good =] lol

Thanks for the understanding, jumbo. Many would not have the patient you have exhibited.

Noticed a musty smell today from water. Just cleaned and sterilized everything last nite. This will be about the 5th time cleaning and sterilizing. So tired and frustrated n supply of nutes almost exhausted. Not to mention, using distilled water from grocery store as my friend originally instructed has cost me considerably (2 gal. per each plant). I lose these plants, I'm dead (literally) since they replaced my pharma need.

I had originally linked my individual plants (bloom section) to a main reservoir (six plants total). All grew well for six months without a problem. With this new problem, I isolated all my plants to try to minimize damage, but apparently that was too late. I did an early harvest to save what I could, but yield and quality were poor at best. Two remaining are very sick with another that I thru in bloom to sustain my needs showing spots on the leaves and the beginning of droop. Don't know if this may be another problem or backlash from h2o2....

Here we go again....

well tell me about your setup a bit, what type of system? flood/drain, NFT, aero...
and do you check the temps of your water?
does your PH rise everyday, or lower everyday? or stay pretty neautral?
this info will help indicate what your battling with.

and no problem man =] if somebody wouldnt have stopped and taken time to help expain stuff to me fully i would be much worse off then i am now, i am just returning love to the community =] lol

Just wondering...

Why not use a product which is considered safe for the roots and kills microbes as well as bugs? I use DM Zone which does a great job for keeping the water sterile, and occasionally Ive had a spider fall into the res, they don't last long. Not sure you can save your current crop; they sound pretty far gone, but with the troubles you've had you might want a bottle of something like this on hand.

concidered safe for roots? have you eaten veggtables from a big name groccery store befor, like wal-mart for example? then you have eaten hydroponic veggies grown with bleach or h2o2 in the water the entire time. i would like to see documents that say it isnt same for roots, seriously...

i have heard of people using physan 20, DM zone, and many other expensive products..
only heard from 1 or 2, out of about 20 that didnt have better results with h2o2. not bashing, or arguing, just letting you know the facts.=]

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/338042-wtf-up-my-roots-pics.html

heres a link to the thread i made when i was having problems. tons of good info/links in there.
oh, and heisnberg, wasnt trying to sound cocky, or like im trying to be and expert. im just an avvid reader/researcher lol

Didn't know anything about hydro when I started. Like most people, a friend (out of state) instructed me on how to start, using what he was using. No local support group where I live.

I'm using a store bought system, General Hydroponics water farms, 4 gal reservoirs (only filled to two gal.). I discarded the hydroton top section and drip ring assemblies because I found them to be problem ridden (kept plugging up and were very messy). Instead, went with a bubbler attached to the included air pump. Plants seemed to love it for several generations.
I had the six units in bloom tied together with a big reservoir. Discontinued and reverted to individual setups for each plant when everything went to hell.

Running all florescent - 8 bulb, 2x4 unit and one single 4' to supplement. Dark room (rectangular tent enclosure) grow room divided in the middle to separate veg from bloom. Windtunnel exhauster with scrubber eradicates all odor (live in small apartment). I leave it open when I'm home for added cool.

I have used General Hydroponics nutes supplemented with stuff recommended by my friend that I now realize were organic and probably the start of my troubles. No, I haven't been checking water temp (I know I should) - don't know how to lower the water temp with such a confined area to work with. Lost the house and open space with the divorce.

PH stayed fairly constant up until 4 plants got sick. Then it was a daily battle as PH fell thru the floor daily til the salvage harvest. Slowly watching the leaves fall off the other two in spite of the fact that the roots still looked healthy and PH has continued to stay stable.

And you soil growers do not forget about Neem oil as a drench. Both as a pest control and nutrient. Matt LeBannister did an article on it in Maximum Yield. I will try to find a net link too it. I suppose you could use it in hydro also. I have just not read anything yet to support it. But I dont see why not. It does a good job at choking alot of organisms.

well from what you just said it sounds like you have taken care of the problem, but now are having nute lock-out problems from all the fluxuations/changes in the past week or so.
it would be a very good idea to go get a cheap water thermometer for $.99 at wal-mart or a pet store. if the water gets above 71-75ish BOOM instant problems...
but the leaves dieing and falling off sounds to me like nute lock-out, i would try to keep things as stable as possible for the next few days and just watch and listen to the plants. the PH falling, indicated is was not root rot.

Then, wait?? No bleach bath or flush with the current droop? Have any ideas about how I can lower water temp??

i would flush the roots, and maybe run a small dose in the resivours (1ML per GAL) and then wait and watch.
make sure you are PHing the water you flush with though, after adding bleach or h2o2. making multiple changes to water will really confuse the plant, and make the roots just say fuck it and reject all nutes,etc..

but what i do to cool my water down is freez bottles of water and put em in the res, n change them out every 12 hours. it dropped my temps from 75 to 65.
and try to drop the room temp, and if you have any mylar, or reflective material cover your resivour with it. and if none of this helps you can put a fan blowing on the side of the res. or on the top of the water(but this can be pretty much impossible for most setups because it will let to much light touch the water.