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WindyCityKush

WindyCityKush

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Thats why I have no definitive opinion on whether it should be legalized.
I feel for the caretakers and parents of children who need cannabis but live in fear because of laws but at the same time i can understand where JD is coming from. You should call out said dispensary for their shady tactics.
Glad I ordered from one of the good guys :peace:
 
Amos Otis

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ky man said:
All you got to do is put it on fuck hideing for pot should be legal in every state.I wear my shirt that says...KENTUCKINS FOR MEDICINAL MARIJUANA every time I go in the court house and places like that to help get peoples eyes open that pot should be legal
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It should be. Mostly it's not.

Do what you want, but if you're a cultivator in an illegal state, you should guard with all your might the fact that you're a cultivator in an illegal state...ya know? Don't be another cat that gets caged because you gave yourself away.

D_Urbmon said:
All I know is that cannabis SHOULD NOT be ILLEGAL and no one should ever have their life ruined or spend a single minute in a prison for cultivation, possessing or consuming cannabis.

I gotta admit. It disappoints me to hear you say that it should be illegal.
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Agree, of course, with the 1st paragraph wholeheartedly. But putting aside the personal freedom issue, which is a BIG issue, not all of J D's points are off base, imo.
 
JDGreen

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D_Urbmon said:
I don't even know how to respond to that @JDGreen. You seem very resentful or indignant towards the casual smoker?



All I know is that cannabis SHOULD NOT be ILLEGAL and no one should ever have their life ruined or spend a single minute in a prison for cultivation, possessing or consuming cannabis.

I gotta admit. It disappoints me to hear you say that it should be illegal.
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Hey now, nobody said illegal here. I advicated for small collellectives that supply tens of people or a small hundred. And alot of them and a full free medical research on the stuff.

I dont think people should go to jail, but to b honest our entire penal system is broken and they r still using pot laws to hold murders and rapists in jail that they cant convict.

So johnny smokem is just a sma piece. Never once said people should go to jail. But we shouldn't let people grow all they want and flood mexico witb mega chronic which is now happening

We supply the cartels with high grade and they bring the low. I, sure.ur not around the mexican border.

But.i stress i do.t want people in jail but giant firms of cannabis consultants and "Farm"acy. Is all the big business the real people doing this has fought for for years.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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D_Urbmon said:
I don't even know how to respond to that @JDGreen. You seem very resentful or indignant towards the casual smoker?



All I know is that cannabis SHOULD NOT be ILLEGAL and no one should ever have their life ruined or spend a single minute in a prison for cultivation, possessing or consuming cannabis.

I gotta admit. It disappoints me to hear you say that it should be illegal.
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I think you are taking what he is trying to say the wrong way.

The way I interpreted it, he is frustrated with all the young people wanting legalization RIGHT NOW so they don't read the shit bill put before them. Like you have in cali right now.

Which imo is a spot on diagnosis of american politics amon people my age. I am for legalization but decriminalization is what I prefer. To many people just see weed in the bill name and support it not aware of the very specific wording they put in there so that mpst of us are just quasi legal criminals. Which is why I was adamantly against the Indiana legalization ballot. You legalize possesion but I will still be a criminal, just the corporate fat cats cashing on legalization.
 
JDGreen

JDGreen

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I agree with personal freedom as well, prolly my biggest pro cannavis argument.

I would be in facor of people being able to grow and sell 400-1000sq ft of grow space or something

I hate the per plant model. Its stupid.

And @D_Urbmon i dont dislike the casual smoker. But so many just eanna drive up window like McDonald's and want 14 grams of 14 kinds and a ten minute history on each. Its getting ridiculous. They dont even know the parents they ask about. They r so caught up in the culture they forget to live
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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Agreed on everything but legalization. :mrgreen:

Especially the pesticide shit. I used to have baaaaaaaaaaaaad respiratory problems. I was on 2 inhalers and using them way more than prescribed. They magically stopped after I started growing and exclusively smoking my own. I partly attribute it to not smoking but vaping and a step further mostly only solventless hash.

....... but over the past year or so I've often contemplated if it was because of my quality control. My plants don't EVER get sprayed with anything.

all these recall posts and people getting put on blast really opened my eyes to how much shit gets sprayed even in a semi legal environment, so you know it's 10x worse with straight up BM.
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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JDGreen said:
Hey now, nobody said illegal here. I advicated for small collellectives that supply tens of people or a small hundred. And alot of them and a full free medical research on the stuff.
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JDGreen said:
thus should be illegal but we dont have those laws yet so fuck it sell pesticide laced flower, bet some of u didnt kno that went on
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Perhaps I got you wrong on a typo? that damn autocorrect. :P
 
JDGreen

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D_Urbmon said:
Agreed on everything but legalization. :mrgreen:

Especially the pesticide shit. I used to have baaaaaaaaaaaaad respiratory problems. I was on 2 inhalers and using them way more than prescribed. They magically stopped after I started growing and exclusively smoking my own. I partly attribute it to not smoking but vaping and a step further mostly only solventless hash.

....... but over the past year or so I've often contemplated if it was because of my quality control. My plants don't EVER get sprayed with anything.

all these recall posts and people getting put on blast really opened my eyes to how much shit gets sprayed even in a semi legal environment, so you know it's 10x worse with straight up BM.
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I really do want people to be able to just smoke a good product, be left alone and to explore the world canmabis opens not how closed we r to cannabis. I wonder alot y this fight even happens. But its ur point, those casual people who dont deserve to b fucked with
 
D_Urbmon

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natro.hydro said:
I think you are taking what he is trying to say the wrong way.

The way I interpreted it, he is frustrated with all the young people wanting legalization RIGHT NOW so they don't read the shit bill put before them. Like you have in cali right now.

Which imo is a spot on diagnosis of american politics amon people my age. I am for legalization but decriminalization is what I prefer. To many people just see weed in the bill name and support it not aware of the very specific wording they put in there so that mpst of us are just quasi legal criminals. Which is why I was adamantly against the Indiana legalization ballot. You legalize possesion but I will still be a criminal, just the corporate fat cats cashing on legalization.
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yes I did misinterpret that part for sure. It appears I misinterpreted most the whole post haha

The idea of decrim is definitely a step in the right direction in many cases but it scares me because it keeps the grower always in a very bad spot. It's hypocritical to say people can possess and smoke but not grow or traffick...... It's gotta come from somewhere.

Amos Otis said:
Ohio had a lousy 'legal' ballot initiative, as well. They were right to defeat it.
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It sucks because that's pretty much the legalization plan for Canada. Prohibition 2.0. Forced to buy it from government approved producers. They already tried to force this model onto medical patients and remove their grow rights and force them to buy... THROUGH MAIL ORDER BS. IRRADIATED garbage.

Whatever, I'll still break the law then as I am now if that's what actually happens.
 
natro.hydro

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D_Urbmon said:

Whatever, I'll still break the law then as I am now if that's what actually happens.
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It appears we have differing definitions of decrim though because I look at it as the one true way to liberate the plant.
This last part for me is why decriminalization is the only way. Under most models of legalization I could not grow as I do and be legal.

To me decriminalization looks like a normal crop sale for all intensive purposes. No limits except how much land I have and my will to grow. I would be willing to pay a sales tax but not the other zillion forms of regulation and payment that goes with most models of legalization.

Ideally only regulations would be not being able to pour eagle 20 and other shit meant for "ornamental plants" on your crop till harvest. But that is a murky area I can't go into great detail how this is achieved through legislation because I will be honest I am not really good with legalese lol.

I read the rough draft of the bill they were gonna bring up in my state. My head was spinning lol, but from what I grasped they want to have 3 separate entities. Grower, processor, and retailer. None of these people can be in business together or any kind of overlap, meanwhile paying a 25% tax every time the product changes hands. So grower pays for license and all that, then sells his crop to the processor and pays 25% tax. The processor "processes" and sells the product, again paying 25%. Then the retailer sells it to the consumer paying another 25% sales tax and whatever other regulatory fees go with being 1 of the 3. Prices would not go down IMO if you did this, if anything you fuel the black market through overregulation.

Sorry for the long winded post, not normally my style but I don't want to be misunderstood on this issue.
 
JDGreen

JDGreen

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D_Urbmon said:
yes I did misinterpret that part for sure. It appears I misinterpreted most the whole post haha

The idea of decrim is definitely a step in the right direction in many cases but it scares me because it keeps the grower always in a very bad spot. It's hypocritical to say people can possess and smoke but not grow or traffick...... It's gotta come from somewhere.



It sucks because that's pretty much the legalization plan for Canada. Prohibition 2.0. Forced to buy it from government approved producers. They already tried to force this model onto medical patients and remove their grow rights and force them to buy... THROUGH MAIL ORDER BS. IRRADIATED garbage.

Whatever, I'll still break the law then as I am now if that's what actually happens.
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I agree theres DEFINITELY some hypocrisy here,yes.

But marijuana is one of those things a poor mam will spend his very last dollar for, and under no circumstances should a government sworn to a society's well being advicate for intoxication, howevre they also r having a problem not standing in the way of people's right to freely become intoxicated against those better wishes
 
JDGreen

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And u can put watever u want on ur plants, u just cant sell it to people with poison on it imo lol

And i think a modest space of grow per house or per person is more than fair plus a limit and up to 10lbs for sale per year or $10,000 worth per year per person. I could live with that, i wold like to be able to carry up to a qp, with penalty of confiscated overage or a small fine like speeding.

I think little things like this could basically fix the whole problem people have
natro.hydro said:
It appears we have differing definitions of decrim though because I look at it as the one true way to liberate the plant.
This last part for me is why decriminalization is the only way. Under most models of legalization I could not grow as I do and be legal.

To me decriminalization looks like a normal crop sale for all intensive purposes. No limits except how much land I have and my will to grow. I would be willing to pay a sales tax but not the other zillion forms of regulation and payment that goes with most models of legalization.

Ideally only regulations would be not being able to pour eagle 20 and other shit meant for "ornamental plants" on your crop till harvest. But that is a murky area I can't go into great detail how this is achieved through legislation because I will be honest I am not really good with legalese lol.

I read the rough draft of the bill they were gonna bring up in my state. My head was spinning lol, but from what I grasped they want to have 3 separate entities. Grower, processor, and retailer. None of these people can be in business together or any kind of overlap, meanwhile paying a 25% tax every time the product changes hands. So grower pays for license and all that, then sells his crop to the processor and pays 25% tax. The processor "processes" and sells the product, again paying 25%. Then the retailer sells it to the consumer paying another 25% sales tax and whatever other regulatory fees go with being 1 of the 3. Prices would not go down IMO if you did this, if anything you fuel the black market through overregulation.

Sorry for the long winded post, not normally my style but I don't want to be misunderstood on this issue.
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D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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natro.hydro said:
It appears we have differing definitions of decrim though because I look at it as the one true way to liberate the plant.
This last part for me is why decriminalization is the only way. Under most models of legalization I could not grow as I do and be legal.

To me decriminalization looks like a normal crop sale for all intensive purposes. No limits except how much land I have and my will to grow. I would be willing to pay a sales tax but not the other zillion forms of regulation and payment that goes with most models of legalization.

Ideally only regulations would be not being able to pour eagle 20 and other shit meant for "ornamental plants" on your crop till harvest. But that is a murky area I can't go into great detail how this is achieved through legislation because I will be honest I am not really good with legalese lol.

I read the rough draft of the bill they were gonna bring up in my state. My head was spinning lol, but from what I grasped they want to have 3 separate entities. Grower, processor, and retailer. None of these people can be in business together or any kind of overlap, meanwhile paying a 25% tax every time the product changes hands. So grower pays for license and all that, then sells his crop to the processor and pays 25% tax. The processor "processes" and sells the product, again paying 25%. Then the retailer sells it to the consumer paying another 25% sales tax and whatever other regulatory fees go with being 1 of the 3. Prices would not go down IMO if you did this, if anything you fuel the black market through overregulation.

Sorry for the long winded post, not normally my style but I don't want to be misunderstood on this issue.
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I would call that decriminalization but complete normalization of the plant, which to me is legalization. I think in most places decrim means no prison for the possession and usage.

But either way, semantics....... I completely agree with what you're saying. I think we all share that same desire and final outcome. 8)
 
apbx720

apbx720

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JDGreen said:
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Phone cam sux, flash is broken lol
But @apbx720 heres that maui like dream beaver frosten up nice. Still all juicy pineappley haze
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Ya man i can smell that pineapple on the stem rub too!! Funny how we got the maui( snow lotus) expression outta the dirty hippy. Lol just my luck!! Damnit SL we wanted yr sister haha

Edit: sorry wasnt complaining. The pineapple does smell delicious tho!! But really i was hoping for the "she musk" lol oh well, well pop more!
 
thezephyr

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D_Urbmon said:
It sucks because that's pretty much the legalization plan for Canada. Prohibition 2.0. Forced to buy it from government approved producers. They already tried to force this model onto medical patients and remove their grow rights and force them to buy... THROUGH MAIL ORDER BS. IRRADIATED garbage. Whatever, I'll still break the law then as I am now if that's what actually happens.
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natro.hydro said:
LOL whoops pretty sure that is what I meant. Geography is not my strong suit bongsmilie
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haha I was like Indiana legalization?! wuuuuuut....
yeah that ohio bill was fucked. If I remember correctly, the whole thing was essentially a lobbying deal that would have allowed 1-3 specific corporations control all production in that state. the company that ran the dining halls in UC Santa Cruz while I was still well enough for school got the contract through a lobbying deal, a single corporation controlled all sources of food on campus, and it was all processed, factory made, and frozen or entirely non perishable. these seem to be principals corporations like to apply to all industries and government services. control all sources of supply, nurture demand, and use a poisonous product to weaken the public.
 
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