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Will you enlighten us with a link to Blastidos? I am convinced vertical is the way to go.... WIsh I had room for an octagon..... Looks like I will be hanging some bare bulbs here in between some larger plants.......

Bob Smith said:

Yeah, thinking about just getting an automatic trimmer - my local shop has them for $900, so it might be a good investment.

As far as the popcorn goes, I'm gonna make hash with that and the trimmings (because I was too lazy to trim it weeks ago and lollipop all the plants).

Gonna try to take clones tomorrow off of them as I have ZERO vegging plants right now, so if I can't cut clones from them I've gotta start all over again from seed - might actually reveg a couple of the weaker plants that are in the corners to ensure I at least keep the genetics.

HookedOnChronic, yes, that's 142 plants in 4" square pots in hydroton.

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Have you seen that DIY trim pro using a metal bladed fan. They removed 2 of the 4 blades(keeping it balanced of course) and improvised a screen closer to the blades that the leaves will slide through.... Youtube is where I saw it.... Then had the fan facing down into a vented trashcan looking deal.... If I did it I would do 2 stages.... or just 1 and then manually trim the good stuff for saving(these guys were mixing their fan leaves with the good trim).......

Bob Smith said:

Firstly, a clone or two is starting to root, so that's a positive that I won't have to start from seed again (although I'm gonna and find a couple awesome mothers) - Integra, the issue I had was that these clones were taken a month+ into flowering, so they're super-slow rooters.

Secondly, meeting some dude off of Craigslist to buy a massive carbon filter and another 1K for a couple hundred dollars tomorrow.

Now I just need to talk to my girl about getting the rest of the garage cleaned out (the only things "growing" in there are the clones, which can easily come inside) - gonna get the garage 100% straight empty (like we're moving empty) and then look at what I have to work with and make a video about what my plans are for making the room (obviously will post a link for the video here).

As far as what system I'll be constructing, I'm pretty sure it's the vertical octagon design by Blastido (but I'm gonna make it taller and have two 1Ks in there as opposed to two 600s).

That's all for now - hope to have the garage cleaned out within a week-ish, which includes breaking down all the tents, equipment, etc - gonna be a pain in the fucking ass.

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Lol..........so the post above that I wrote a month ago? Just pretend that I wrote it today - we're starting, people.

Gonna empty out the garage and then build a TOTALLY sealed (no intake or outtake, simply a door) 12x8 (and shooting for 9' tall) room with an El Blastido octagon and a veg chamber.

If anyone knows of any SIMPLE software that I could use to design the layout I'm all ears, but that Google Sketch shit is WAY above my paygrade.

Wonder, that trimmer that you're talking about is exactly what they have at my hydro store - supposedly you just brush the bud up against the fan a couple times and you're golden.

Also, here's a link to the octagon - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=17863

So I'm budgeting about $2K for this, but I'm sure I'll go over - doing this as professional grade as possible

EDIT: forgot to mention that I've been on the lookout for used GI Grows, Rotogrows, etc., and would change my budget if I could find one of those for a reasonable price - really want one, but $5K is kinda silly, IMO.

Bob Smith said:

Lol..........so the post above that I wrote a month ago? Just pretend that I wrote it today - we're starting, people.

Gonna empty out the garage and then build a TOTALLY sealed (no intake or outtake, simply a door) 12x8 (and shooting for 9' tall) room with an El Blastido octagon and a veg chamber.

If anyone knows of any SIMPLE software that I could use to design the layout I'm all ears, but that Google Sketch shit is WAY above my paygrade.

Wonder, that trimmer that you're talking about is exactly what they have at my hydro store - supposedly you just brush the bud up against the fan a couple times and you're golden.

Also, here's a link to the octagon - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=17863

So I'm budgeting about $2K for this, but I'm sure I'll go over - doing this as professional grade as possible

EDIT: forgot to mention that I've been on the lookout for used GI Grows, Rotogrows, etc., and would change my budget if I could find one of those for a reasonable price - really want one, but $5K is kinda silly, IMO.

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sweet. get that shit up and running bob. The Better homes and garden software is pretty sweet, it looks complicated, but if you watch the tutorial video, you see its not that tough. It is ment for building design ,so it makes it easy to do actual wall thickness and plan out your power and otherwiring and will even give a cost estimate on the job. you can easily find and download it from torrent sites. Just did a huge bud porn update on my log, you should swing by and check it out. Good luck on this build bob.

I like the sounds of all Got to love being a DIYer. Looking forward to what you got going.... I am all setup in a new room running a few 1kwers

Integra21 said:

sweet. get that shit up and running bob. The Better homes and garden software is pretty sweet, it looks complicated, but if you watch the tutorial video, you see its not that tough. It is ment for building design ,so it makes it easy to do actual wall thickness and plan out your power and otherwiring and will even give a cost estimate on the job. you can easily find and download it from torrent sites. Just did a huge bud porn update on my log, you should swing by and check it out. Good luck on this build bob.

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Lol, that shit sounds way above my skill level, but I appreciate the thought.

Below is a status update; sorry for the long-windedness and lack of pics.

As far as where we stand today (have pics but can't find the cord for my camera) - pretty impressed with the amount of progress I've made; the garage is pretty well all broken down (save for the veg tent), now just need to sell some of this shit to get it outta here (tents, ballasts, reflectors, trays, etc.).

Gonna run 4 600s stacked vertically around an El Blastido octagon, but with two more levels than he had.

Room is gonna be 12x8 and ~8' tall, +/- a few inches on all counts (housing both veg and flower areas).

Gonna crawl down into my crawlspace tomorrow and put a thermometer down there to get a temp check - been 90F+ for the last few weeks here, and I'm really, really set on being able to use airflow for cooling and dehumidification (as well as "heat" during the winter, when the garage can get down to 20F), as I'm not really looking to arouse any suspicion from the electric company and the AC, dehumidifier, and heater would burn about as much juice as the lights would, which isn't very efficient, in my eyes.

Hoping for a reading of ~65ish, which would just be fucking lovely, but realistically I could "manage" with a reading up to ~75 (I think).

Planning on having a 435CFM fan pulling from the crawlspace and then a 750CFM fan for exhaust from the 12x8 "enclosure" - gonna insulate THE FUCK outta the enclosure, and that fact coupled with the fact that I'll be exhausting air from the enclosure into the garage (hopefully bringing ambient garage temps down to around 85-90ish) should (again, hopefully) allow me to keep the enclosure <=80F during the day (lights off) and <=85F at night (lights on).

Of course, this depends on how cool the crawlspace can stay with me constantly pulling air from it, but there's a really isolated corner which I think would hold it's temp pretty well down there, so I've got my fingers crossed.

Worst comes to worse I'll just have to either 1) deal with temps higher than "optimal" for a few months a year, or 2) just not run during the summer.

BTW, I've searched the Internet far and wide and watched youtube construction videos for hours on end, and still don't have much of a clue as to how I'm gonna construct this insulated room - if anyone had a link or some good advice, I'm all ears.

And obviously, anyone's thoughts regarding the feasibility of my crawlspace idea and or the chances that it will work are also more than welcome.

Have also given some thought to putting a reservoir down there and using ice boxes, but again, that would require a dehumidifier, which would pull another 1K watts and piss me off.

Not sure if anyone's really checking this thread anymore, but I figured I'd give anyone checking an update.........so the garage is almost ready for construction to start - took a shitload of throwing stuff away and moving stuff around, but I've almost got a clean palate to work with.

So, about another hour of moving stuff around, sweeping everything down, and then construction's gonna start tomorrow.

Cool. Lets get this show on the road. Are you framing out a room fot the grow or going back to the tents?

Integra21 said:

Cool. Lets get this show on the road. Are you framing out a room fot the grow or going back to the tents?

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A little of both, actually...............building a 12x8 room (about 8' tall) and that's gonna house both veg and flower areas.

Flower tent (4x4) was sold yesterday, but I think I'm gonna keep the veg tent inside the room.

Starting construction tomorrow, gonna build the 12x8 base and then take some measurements for height.

Not in a killer hurry as I only have four plants going right now and it's gonna take a month+ to get the clones I'll need, but I'm also trying to get this banged out quickly for a bunch of tests and whatnot before any plants go in there...............shooting to be done framing by the middle of the week, and then it's a matter of installing installation, exhaust, electrical, etc.

FYI Integra, you still remember how to change a 120V to a 240V? Gonna run three 1Ks in my flower area, and have three 20amp/120V circuits I could use to power them, but if it's easy to change one circuit to 240V and run all three lights on that circuit, it's probably a worthwhile change to make.

Hey Bob

Im still watching closely in the background.
Looking forward to seing your new op fully opperational..............

Good Luck!!

hey man i read your last grow on here and i am building a room right now so i will we be reading for tips

Just crawled back into the crawlspace to check out the temp/humidity sensor I left down there - was ecstatic to see air temps of about 65, but that was accompanied by humidity in the high 80s (although it did rain today).

So that's good and bad; sounds like I can keep it cool in there using crawlspace air, but unfortunately probably gonna have to use my dehumidifier as well (consumes 600 watts).

Currently researching if there's a desiccant type filter I can put on as a prefilter for my 6" inline which will be blowing from the crawlspace - that'd be money as shit if I could remove a lot of the humidity before it got to my box.

Okay, well I said I was gonna make this my design/construction thread, and I am.

So here goes.

For all those just tuning in, I have a garage which is "kinda" insulated, but gets dummy hot in the summer (like 100F) and dummy cold in the winter (like 20F).

So in order to grow the danky dank that we all want, I need to control my grow area a little better (although the quality of my first two runs was very good, I know the second run could've been better with better temp control).

An issue I have is that there are no windows in my garage, and having a mini-split is not acceptable for security reasons (we all don't live in Cali, bishes), so I had to be creative.

I think I might've found the solution in my crawlspace - the temp down there is 68F right now, and that's in the dead of summer when outside temps are 90F+ here.

Going to build a 12x8 room in the garage (bout 8' tall) to house both my veg and flower areas (flower will be a DIY Coliseum with either 2400 or 3K watts, depending on responses I get in this thread), and gonna try to run it pretty much sealed with Ice Boxes, a reservoir (thinking a 37.5 gallon insulated marine cooler), and a 1/2HP chiller (both the chiller and rez will be located in the crawlspace, which is 67ish right now and will probably get down to 50-55F during the winter, so keeping an insulated rez at 60F shouldn't be too difficult).

To do this (i.e., for a 1/2 HP chiller to be able to cool that room), gonna need temps in the garage to not get too much above 85F even on the hottest days, which I hope to accomplish with a 4" inline (175CFM) pulling air from my crawlspace and a 6" inline (425CFM) exhausting that air through a gable vent in my garage.

So the task for today was to run 6" ducting from the crawlspace to the garage, which turned out to be a pain in the ass.

The pics are pretty self-explanatory; broke a couple of saw blades trying to cut, and had to go buy a more powerful drill to fit the 6" hole saw and almost broke my arm (I'm a large man, but wasn't ready for the torque of a 10 amp drill).

Long story short, got it done, and it ain't professional grade, but it gets the job done.

Tomorrow, gonna setup the 4" inline for intake through that ductwork, and gonna setup the 6" inline with filter for exhaust through the gable vent.

If I get that done early enough, gonna start building the 12x8 base for the room inside a room.

People have lost arms from 1/2" drills..... I got one with handles on both side you can run like a jack hammer, and another handle on the back for certain situations....

wonderblunder said:

People have lost arms from 1/2" drills..... I got one with handles on both side you can run like a jack hammer, and another handle on the back for certain situations....

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Lol.........mine came with a handle as well for leverage, and I thought to myself "what kinda pussy needs a handle for a drill?"

Dar, dar.

Anyhow, running to Home Depot in a minute to grab some stuff, but while I'm here I figured I'd post the rough budget/plan - FYI, I hope that my conservative estimates mean that I'll come in under budget (i.e., find a chiller off Craigslist, etc.), but we'll see:

Budget:Octagon600Wood/screws/nails for 12x8 room300Insulation (temp and sound)300Filter150Ballasts630Cooltube700Bulbs85Ice Boxes300Chiller800633GPH Pumps (4)140Subtotal:4005Miscellaneous:50ft. Coil hose20Float valve25Tarp100Subtotal:145Total:4150

EDIT: Didn't paste from Excel like I would've liked, but I think you can figure it out if you try.

I bet you can come in under the budget. Heck of a list there.... You can always find ways to spend money on additional neccesities......

wonderblunder said:

I bet you can come in under the budget. Heck of a list there.... You can always find ways to spend money on additional neccesities......

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Yeah, but the goal was to do this setup as inexpensively as possible and then buy all the fixin's after the first harvest, like tri-meters, etc.

Dealing with a fucking computer virus all day today which has basically made my progress nil except for a two hour trip to Home Depot where I figured some things out.........gonna try to do something for the next hour or two, but I don't have high hopes.

Fucking loser ass hackers writing viruses, get a fucking life.

Okay, I'm over it now..........back to work - pic update tomorrow.

EDIT: but inexpensively doesn't mean cheaply; for instance, that's why I'm going with the expensive ass cooltube instead of ghetto-rigging something myself outta individual cooltubes........wanna get the "meat" or "substance" of the room done now, and then "pretty it up" with automatic dosers, tri-meters, and other nifty little gadgets after I recoup some investment.

DOUBLE EDIT: Besides the two things mentioned above, I'm definitely interested in a notification device for when anything in my garden is not right........they have it for a certain environmental controller brand, but I'm looking for a standalone unit.

Was thinking of getting security cameras for inside the garage, but that seems silly to me because I really couldn't ........unless I had them pointed at my monitors and I could remotely check them from my Blackberry, in which case they'd be the shit.

So I did a lot of work today with not much to show for it.........the place I thought I was gonna be able to exhaust out of (the large gable vent) turned out to be a non-starter, so after drilling holes in three more locations I finally found something that I THINK I can make work, although it's directly in from of my garage door and was loud as fuck today when I ran it without the filter hooked up to the back.

Anyhow, I'm fucking exhausted right now, so just check out my new video instead of me typing.........

Can't paste for some reason, so do a search for "sogbobsmith" on youtube and look at the latest videos.

I think with what you are doing having a purchased cool tube over some DIY would be more ideal. I will take a look at the Youtube.... Sounds like things are moving in your world... I dont have any time to spend in my room except for a few minutes in the evening.....