BUD WASHING- the truth

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waterproof808

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testiclees said:
Bro have you heard of rain?....sorry I think you pulled this theory out of your ass. Is there some citation for your claims? Have ever even attempted the technique?

"you would never wash your buds" lol Ive washed loads of connoisseur bud and straight up you're full of shit. There are literally dozens of expert growers, some who compete in cannabis cup who wash their bud.

Your proclamations are reminiscent of the old: led, flushing, defol arguments all are myopic.
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IF water is the enemy of trichomes why would anyone make Ice Wax? By your (hyroots) stoner logic, this process would absolutely destroy the trichomes and render them useless.....but it doesnt.

Wax/Oil does not mix with Water. Thats why you dont get high if you ingest raw herb that hasnt been decarbed or made bio-available through various extract processes.

Water can get trapped between trichomes in a clump of bubble hash, if you dont use the proper sieve/microplane technique to increase the surface area of your hash and allow it to dry completely.
That is when water/moisture would be your enemy.

You will lose external trichomes from numerous acts....trimming, handling, dropping nugs into a jar, etc. The majority of them are inside your nugs and protected by the structure of the flower.
 
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When a plant is freshly cut the trichs stay put quite well. I have even seen plants recover fine from hale. Trichs are there for protection of the seeds. They are warriors! Either washed or unwashed will get you high but rinsing has no effect. The drier the herb, the easier the trichs drop. Gee,they can even be sifted then!
 
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Rain washes away trichomes. Light degrades trichomes. Trichomes replenish while the plants sleep.

No cup winner wash their buds. They don't want to lose terps. I personally know some of the winners from the last cup.

Have you ever made hash before. I've been a hash maker for years. I've learned all about how trichomes work and the oils in side the waxy membranes. When you make hash , dry sift, ice wax. You remove the heads and not the stalks. with very little and vwry gentle agitation . The trichomes fall off very easily especially in water . Trichome heads sink to the bottom. They don't float. Trichomes also absorb moisture even out of the air.

Here's the last batch I made from Jamaican landrace race. I just started curing it today.

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Have you scoped your flowers after bud washing to examine the trichome heads?

Talk to any well known hash maker and they will tell you the same thing. Ask frenchy, bubbleman, tony v, Cuban grower, Matt rize, Rasta bubnle, Barry's bubble, st8organics, oregrown. You can message them via ig, fb or talk to them in person at cups. And Frenchy is on this forum. Rize is on here occasionally too.

Or you can make hash and witness it for yourself.
 
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testiclees

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hyroot said:
Rain washes away trichomes. Light degrades trichomes. Trichomes replenish while the plants sleep.

No cup winner wash their buds. They don't want to lose terps. I personally know some of the winners from the last cup.

Have you ever made hash before. I've been a hash maker for years. I've learned all about how trichomes work and the oils in side the waxy membranes. When you make hash , dry sift, ice wax. You remove the heads and not the stalks. with very little and vwry gentle agitation . The trichomes fall off very easily especially in water . Trichome heads sink to the bottom. They don't float. Trichomes also absorb moisture even out of the air.

Here's the last batch I made from Jamaican landrace race. I just started curing it today.

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Have you scoped your flowers after bud washing to examine the trichome heads?

Talk to any well known hash maker and they will tell you the same thing. Ask frenchy, bubbleman, tony v, Cuban grower, Matt rize, Rasta bubnle, Barry's bubble, st8organics, oregrown. You can message them via ig, fb or talk to them in person at cups. And Frenchy is on this forum. Rize is on here occasionally too.

Or you can make hash and witness it for yourself.
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"Light degrades trichomes" and "Rain wash them away" two problems here: #1, great weed, exceptional mind blowing weed, grows outdoors all over the world in bright light and rained on. This has been going on every year for quite some time.

#2 visible trichome presence is not a reliable indicator of strength or flavor.

More problems: you have no idea if "no cup winners wash their buds". I know a whole crew of guys who foliar feed plants straight through flower. They all wash. A bunch of them are entering cups. I don't know if any have won distinctions but I am pretty sure washing their buds isn't holding them back from winning a cannagory. Almost all bud washers, and their pals, feel that washed bud is a noticeably more enjoyable smoke..

I HAVE scoped many, many buds post wash. Wouldnt it make more sense for you to confirm that you have scoped a bud before and after wash. Have you? If you haven't, I've got to repeat my initial assertion : youre talking out your ass. If you have please tell us about it. I can post some before and after wash pics to confirm that, for me, I have observed with more than one scope that trichs are not lost..

I like hash but I doubt your hash buddies are going to have experience bud washing. If any do maybe they can contribute here. Almost all those who dismiss washing are just aping silly stoner shit, without even testing their assertion.

In a grow room where the atmosphere is super filtered, with no pets, foods, foliars, smoke, where gardeners wear scrubs etc; Unwashed bud would be practical. In my view, most times, it's a good idea to wash bud. In cases with foliar feeding it is mandatory.

Here's a bud that i washed about 1 month ago. it has been handled bounced around with bovedas in a jar and otherwise handled. washed bud.jpg
Next chop I will take a set of before after pics.
 
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hyroot

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testiclees said:
"Light degrades trichomes" and "Rain wash them away" two problems here: #1, great weed, exceptional mind blowing weed, grows outdoors all over the world in bright light and rained on. This has been going on every year for quite some time.

#2 visible trichome presence is not a reliable indicator of strength or flavor.

More problems: you have no idea if "no cup winners wash their buds". I know a whole crew of guys who foliar feed plants straight through flower. They all wash. A bunch of them are entering cups. I don't know if any have won distinctions but I am pretty sure washing their buds isn't holding them back from winning a cannagory. Almost all bud washers, and their pals, feel that washed bud is a noticeably more enjoyable smoke..

I HAVE scoped many, many buds post wash. Wouldnt it make more sense for you to confirm that you have scoped a bud before and after wash. Have you? If you haven't, I've got to repeat my initial assertion : youre talking out your ass. If you have please tell us about it. I can post some before and after wash pics to confirm that, for me, I have observed with more than one scope that trichs are not lost..

I like hash but I doubt your hash buddies are going to have experience bud washing. If any do maybe they can contribute here. Almost all those who dismiss washing are just aping silly stoner shit, without even testing their assertion.

In a grow room where the atmosphere is super filtered, with no pets, foods, foliars, smoke, where gardeners wear scrubs etc; Unwashed bud would be practical. In my view, most times, it's a good idea to wash bud. In cases with foliar feeding it is mandatory.

Here's a bud that i washed about 1 month ago. it has been handled bounced around with bovedas in a jar and otherwise handled. View attachment 3610703
Next chop I will take a set of before after pics.
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I see alot of trichome stalks in that pic. But half the heads are missing. Trichome heads are that little ball at the top of the trichome stalk


Yes rain washes away trichs. Everyone whoever grows outdoor knows that and has experienced it. You've obviously never grown outdoor. You're just trolling. I explained my experience and how I was unhappy. I stated facts about how trichomes react to water. All you want to do is argue. Well I don't have time to argue with noobs so good day. I'm done here.

FYI I don't foliar feed buds. Anyone who does is an idiot. You foliar leaves.

If you know a cre w who foliar feeds all the way through flower and entered the cup. I bet they were disqualified for failing the microbial and / or contaminants tests
 
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hillbill

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I gently dunk or rinse my bud in water and do not really agitate. This is done ASAP after chop. If I can I will rinse several days prior to chop. Over the years I have noticed how much handling and carrying remove trichs, and worse if really dry. They build up on containers. Being gentle with the herb is expected.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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hyroot said:
I see alot of trichome stalks in that pic. But half the heads are missing. Trichome heads are that little ball at the top of the trichome stalk


Yes rain washes away trichs. Everyone whoever grows outdoor knows that and has experienced it. You've obviously never grown outdoor. You're just trolling. I explained my experience and how I was unhappy. I stated facts about how trichomes react to water. All you want to do is argue. Well I don't have time to argue with noobs so good day. I'm done here.

FYI I don't foliar feed buds. Anyone who does is an idiot. You foliar leaves.

If you know a cre w who foliar feeds all the way through flower and entered the cup. I bet they were disqualified for failing the microbial and / or contaminants tests
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I am pointing out that you, in true stoner fashion, deny the effectiveness of a practice that you have not tested. I call that talking out your ass.

Outdoor grown weed can be of the very highest quality despite light and rain. How does your bullshit comment address that fact?

Two other things you got wrong...there was no diqualification for micro bio or mold. Are you saying foliar feeding is going to cause those problems. Youre mistaken.
I assumed you knew abit about foliar feeding. Buds are not diectly fed rather the plant is misted with solution some of it settles on flowers. So " idiots" they are not.

Im not trolling rather im calling you out for being a know it all who makes pronouncements without any facts or experience. Look up "trolling" it doesnt mean someone who challenges your baseless convictions with first hand experience and facts.

Everyone should be interested in learning. Give the know it all role a break.
 
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Six9

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Not advocating either way, but wouldn't a heavy misting work? A fine spray till all is dripping then chop/trim? Indoor grow..
 
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CrocodileStunter

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never mind i'm not gonna wash my buds anymore even though it's a better product. Water took out fukishima so if it's powerful enough to break a nuclear power plant and lift buildings off their foundation it logically must rip all the trichs off the buds. What was I thinking?
 
testiclees

testiclees

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Six9 said:
Not advocating either way, but wouldn't a heavy misting work? A fine spray till all is dripping then chop/trim? Indoor grow..
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Yes...i think that what you describe is a very good approach. In winter its not practical for me to give a very thorough hose down of tbe ladies just before chop. But in warm weather i drag the outdoor hose into the grow room and wash em down thoroughly. Actually i do it 2or 3 times during chop week.i find that this is preferable to the cold hot, lemon juice , baking soda techniques.
 
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Today I am washing all my house plants because of the dust which has settled on them. I even have to use soap on them! My lights get dust on them and my fans and lights get blown out when needed. If I have had to use any pest killers, I would certainly rinse the bud. But understand that I really do mean gently rinsing. Heavy misting over a few days while living is fine, done it that way to.
 
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testiclees said:
Yes...i think that what you describe is a very good approach. In winter its not practical for me to give a very thorough hose down of tbe ladies just before chop. But in warm weather i drag the outdoor hose into the grow room and wash em down thoroughly. Actually i do it 2or 3 times during chop week.i find that this is preferable to the cold hot, lemon juice , baking soda techniques.
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I do see the point on clean buds, I keep things pretty clean but still have dust you can see on surfaces a few days after cleaning. No pets and only me, I can only imagine with pets and some sloppy roomies. :)
 
204Kush Master

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zubey91 said:
Hey guys and gals, i've been reading up on bud washing for the past 4-6 weeks. i'm about 2 days from harvest and will be chopping a plant just about every week for the next 6 weeks.

the purpose of bud washing is to get all the dirt, dust, skincells(there are tons), fuzzies, dead bugs..... just about anything that can get on your plants during growth and flowering. the way to look at it is look at a table top and don't dust it for 3-4 months and look at see the film of crap on it. this is why you should wash your buds....you don't go pull a carrot or lettuce or any veggies and eat it wthout washing it.. why would you do it to your buds....


so for the past 2-3 weeks (while in flush) have been plucking buds here and there and washing them in 3 different possible washing procedures...

while i experimented i used Solo cups.. when i harvest i'll do them in 5 gallon buckets.

procedure #1- I first tested this with 3 solo cups... 1 filled with warm water and the other cup filled with cold water the third cup with r/o water
so you trim your bud normally leaving the sugar leaves on. take the bud and dunk it in cup 1. You can either swish it around or dunk it in and out of the water.. I did this for 30 seconds. then i proceeded to do it to cup 2 and cup 3. after that you hang dry normally.

procedure #2 3 solo cups- cup 1: warm water with tablespoon of baking soda, tablespoon of lemon juice. cups 2 cold water, cup 3 r/o water.. dunk in cup 1 for wash.. cup 2 rise, cup 3 r/o water to take any sediments from the tap water off.

procedure #3 4 solo cups- Cup 1: water with a cap full of h202 cup 2: the baking soda/lemon juice solution Cups 2 and 3.. same as above.

results:

in all three instances i found the following: .. after looking under a jewelers loop before and after i can say its looks A lot cleaner. the smoke... smooth VERY smooth(even the buds i cut after only flushing for 3 days) . the look of the buds... seemed to be brighter in color, plumper.

Biggest difference between the 3 different washes:

wash 1: although cleaner, there was still some visible dirt and fuzzies on the buds. the smoke was smooth but still had a tad of harshness at the end of the bowl.

wash 2: under the loop, the bud from this wash i would say was 99% clean. i saw one hair on it but it could have easily just got stuck on the bud as i removed it from the wash. the smoke was about triple the smoothness of wash 1 and the look was about the same.. however the smell got much stronger.

wash 3: the h202 made the plant dry out faster. after a day the sugar leaves were all dried and not good looking. i don't recommend using h202 unless you have PM or bud rot.

in conclusion: IMO this is a must for every grower. i was a non believer until i tried it.. my main concern was that the water would cause mold or rot... NOT THE CASE the water pretty much just runs off the bud it doesn't soak in like a sponge or anything. I have looked at the trichs before and after the wash and they also DO NOT seem to be affected. one thing is for sure... i will ALWAYS wash my buds now. keep in mind this does add a day or two to the drying time.. but to me its totally worth it.


I will be posting pics once i start the process with my main harvest. stay tuned. ....
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gotta be the craziest thing I've heard yet this year LOL
 
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204Kush Master said:
gotta be the craziest thing I've heard yet this year LOL
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There's some great stuff here, the best one for me was a post about using human remains (ashes) in the grow medium! Hell yes.

Important to keep in mind that one beautiful side effect to our favorite med is the effect it has on creative centers of the brain. I guarantee some of the best shit we enjoy in life is a by-product of, you guessed it :p
 

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hyroot

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testiclees said:
I am pointing out that you, in true stoner fashion, deny the effectiveness of a practice that you have not tested. I call that talking out your ass.

Outdoor grown weed can be of the very highest quality despite light and rain. How does your bullshit comment address that fact?

Two other things you got wrong...there was no diqualification for micro bio or mold. Are you saying foliar feeding is going to cause those problems. Youre mistaken.
I assumed you knew abit about foliar feeding. Buds are not diectly fed rather the plant is misted with solution some of it settles on flowers. So " idiots" they are not.

Im not trolling rather im calling you out for being a know it all who makes pronouncements without any facts or experience. Look up "trolling" it doesnt mean someone who challenges your baseless convictions with first hand experience and facts.

Everyone should be interested in learning. Give the know it all role a break.
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I deny the effectiveness..? I tried it. I lost trichome heads after i tried it. Therefore I was not happy. I'm a hash maker remember.... trichome heads are essential to making hash. Even the pic you posted lost half of the trichome heads.

I think you are trying to justify it to yourself. Again I will be not be trying this anymore.

The only benefit to it I see is if you have a pest problem. To wash away the pests but lose trichome heads and mono terps in the process
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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hyroot said:
I deny the effectiveness..? I tried it. I lost trichome heads after i tried it. Therefore I was not happy. I'm a hash maker remember.... trichome heads are essential to making hash. Even the pic you posted lost half of the trichome heads.

I think you are trying to justify it to yourself. Again I will be not be trying this anymore.

The only benefit to it I see is if you have a pest problem. To wash away the pests but lose trichome heads and mono terps in the process
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Okay, one way to settle this. Pics of before washing and after. Maybe you just have a weak trichome plant. Seems pretty unlikely that evolution would have resulted in trichomes that come off in the rain. That would be quite a waste of energy. Pretty sure they don't just snap off unless they're dry or very cold. Besides, like I said, just put a bubble bag under it and spray it off. Then when people buy it you just include a small package of trichomes and say here's the rest of your trichomes right here.
 
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hyroot

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BobCajun said:
Okay, one way to settle this. Pics of before washing and after. Maybe you just have a weak trichome plant. Seems pretty unlikely that evolution would have resulted in trichomes that come off in the rain. That would be quite a waste of energy. Pretty sure they don't just snap off unless they're dry or very cold. Besides, like I said, just put a bubble bag under it and spray it off. Then when people buy it you just include a small package of trichomes and say here's the rest of your trichomes right here.
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Trichomes fall off very easily. They're designed that way by nature. When plants sleeps. More trichomes amd oils develop.
 
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hyroot said:
Trichomes fall off very easily. They're designed that way by nature. When plants sleeps. More trichomes amd oils develop.
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Maybe. Anyway, I guess if bud washing didn't work for you then you're stuck with dirty buds, assuming all the gunk you see build up on circulation fan blades also gets on buds.
 
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