Buddy with very similar setup has WAY higher leaf to calyx ratio than I do using same cuts??

Hi everyone!

As per the title, my buddy is running a very similar setup to me and we're running exactly the same clones, nutrients and medium.

He's got a 1.2m tent with 400W+ quantum boards (same as me), 150mm extraction, and we're both running the same nutrient line, medium and the same clones.
Yet all of his plants are growing way more leafy smaller buds compared to mine

anyone ran into this issue and figured it out??

are lamps similar? and feed strength?

Kassiopeija said:

are lamps similar? and feed strength?

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Hey! We're both running QBs and using the nutes at full strength.


He has tried to replicate my grows, but gets more leafy smaller buds

you got pics would be interested in seeing this phenomenon

temperature, air humidity & distance of light also equal approx?

Kassiopeija said:

temperature, air humidity & distance of light also equal approx?

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Definitely not, he has higher average RH, similar temps and lights are 40-50Cm above the canopy.

I've ran grows with higher RH in winter and get the usual results.

crimsonecho said:

you got pics would be interested in seeing this phenomenon

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I've asked him for pics, will post once I get some

Here’s a dosidos x watermelon zkittlez I hunted, which he ran too.


Here’s the same pheno in my tent

@crimsonecho

buuuump

i really have no idea its a mystery waiting to be solved pls update us if you do

I'd guess that his feeding/watering practices are not up to your level. Either under/overwatering or not checking/adjusting pH and EC.
Be helpful to know what medium and nutrients you guys are using.

I’m having the same issue. I’m getting more leaf than bracts. I think my issue is too much nutes and also I think they were reveg due to light interruption. I don’t know exactly. Also I did have really high humidity; like 70% high. Lol. And light was pretty close, like 6” close.

I can make smaller leafy buds by using too much N in flower.

waterproof808 said:

I'd guess that his feeding/watering practices are not up to your level. Either under/overwatering or not checking/adjusting pH and EC.
Be helpful to know what medium and nutrients you guys are using.

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We're out in South Africa, using a locally made salt 3 part nute. He tries to replicate my grows almost exactly, we're on the same watering schedule, same nutrient dosages, same medium (70/30 coco/perl), with the same cuts, both under quantum boards, we're both in tents.

Our grows are almost identical, yet he is achieving way different results to me.

70's natureboy said:

I can make smaller leafy buds by using too much N in flower.

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Did you bother to read the post? Our grows are almost identical, down to the cuts, medium, nutrients, lights, dosages, yet he is achieving way different results to me.

How about topping and training? Ask yourself if the grows really are identical, same distance to light, same # of primary grow sites, same defoliation or lack thereof, etc. Those things have a huge impact on bud development. There are a lot of small touches that probably make your grows different.

YourStonerBuddy said:

medium

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what kind of medium would that be?

your friends plants leave indicate a minor issues whereas yours are fully healthy

Rurumo said:

How about topping and training? Ask yourself if the grows really are identical, same distance to light, same # of primary grow sites, same defoliation or lack thereof, etc. Those things have a huge impact on bud development. There are a lot of small touches that probably make your grows different.

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Without a doubt, you're right! There are small differences in our grows, but I honestly don't think that would make such a huge difference tbh.

I am getting respectable yields and he's pulling a few grams a plant.. Something else is wrong here.

Kassiopeija said:

what kind of medium would that be?

your friends plants leave indicate a minor issues whereas yours are fully healthy

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We're using 70/30 coco perlite, the pic he sent was just before harvest. My comparison pic was from week 6-7, the difference in the two is what I'm trying to show.

Phenotype is genetics * environment

If genetics are the same, the difference is attributable to the environment.
Whether it's light intensity, temp, humidity, co2 levels, nutes, pruning, etc. is anyone's guess