Bugs! Wtf

nickos2250

Member
hey guys fuck! i have bugs hopping around the soil like nothing ive ever seen! little white bugs really little like jumping up and down when the light comes on i couldnt beleive it! does anyone know what they are or how to stop them?

i think they are spider mites! i just want the cheapest quickest way to kill these bastards!

also could this possibly be the reason why some of my plants have brown edges or black spots? what are the symptoms of spider mites.
 

513409

Member
I use neem oil and lady bugs. I think there is a bug bomb you can use in a seal room depending on the stage of your plants? someone with a lil more exp chime in please!
 

nickos2250

Member
well the plants are about 1 and a half month old. i think the problem started today cause im sure i would have noticed this i look in great detail at my plants at least 3 times a day lol this is the first time i have seen thousands of little things jumping up and down on my precious premium soil! i must say im fucking itchy! well i sprayed an outdoor perimiter pesticide around the outside of the grow room and it must have stunned them and they have all come out of hiding! also i have seen spider webs around the bottom of the pots but no spiders so im guessing they are spider mites!

well i have taken one of my more shitty plants and put it aside i made up a mix of chilli vinigar and garlic simmered it strained it and watered it down i have sprayed this one plant and all the bugs imidietly stopped jumping and got all retarded they now seem to be dead. BUT! big but, i am waiting to see if my plant now dies from this lol because in my mind spraying chilli and garlic on a plant has to have adverse effects dosnt it?
 

808killahz

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Your plants will be fine. Just remember to spray right before your lights go out or while your lights are out... you dont want to foliar spray during your lights on time... good luck!
 

bigrake

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That's what I have there fungus Nat's I've tried neem,soap,sticky traps,still have them there a bitch to get rid of any suggestions??
 
hi guys, i spent days stressing about this problem and if they jump and come to the surface when watering then they are definately springtails.
this is the most accurate information you will ever find on the subject.
took me a long time to find it but is 100% accurate.

Not only are springtails harmless to the garden, but their presence
indicates good soil health. Their diet consists of decaying matter,
fungus, & bacteria, & their activity helps keep nitrogen in the soil. A
radical explosion in their population might be an indicator that something
in the organic balance is out of wack, though it probably means only that
there are excesses of mushroom spoors which can increase springtail
populations since springtails go after the mushroom spoors like kids after
halloween candy, & a black springtail called "snowflea" even hops around
after snowfall gathering up fungal spoors from the surface of the snow. If
springtails vanish that means the microflora is probably also missing or
that soil is never sufficiently moist to support either springtails or
microflora. In which case the plants will be at great risk too.

Attempting to get rid of them by drying out the garden would be equally
harmful to microflora, only the springtails would weather the drought
better by moving to moist areas & estivating, or in unusual cases "heading
for cool shelter" which will mean the house, where they will accumulate in
bathrooms & kitchens, & not leave until it's moist outdoors again. A large
indoor infestation without an outdoor drought can be a warning-sign of
mold problems inside the structure or leaky plumbing somewhere undetected.
Insecticides won't get rid of them if there are condensation or moisture
problems in the house, but correcting leaks & moisture problems or
installing a dehumidifier gets rid of them.

Some springtails are so small they will never be seen by the even
moderately farsighted. Tinier-than-average varieties are encountered in
potted indoor plants, but they restrict their activity to the soil & don't
spread elsewhere in the house, & are not harming houseplants.

There is ONE North American exception to the general harmlessness of the
genus. A rounded stumpy flea-like springtail (Bourletiella hortensis) eats
the delicate roots of evergreen tree seedlings, so if you are growing
evergreen seedlings & had a population explosion of this flealike pest,
that could be bad news. Few are the gardeners with lots of tree seedlings,
so the primary bad history for this critter is in tree farms & ornamental
tree nurseries of the Pacific Northwest, where their feeding habits reduce
emergence or cause deformities of western hemlock, sitka spruce, & other
evergreens, & cause lesions in developing bark where harmful fungus can be
established. They are most active in summer & would be dormant now. When
present & active they are easily detected by laying a white piece of paper
on the soil & then blowing on or fanning the soil around the edges of the
paper; if they are present in sufficient numbers to be harmful to
evergreen seedlings, several will jump onto the white surface of the
paper. But if what one sees are ELONGATED springtails (& most of the
numerous species are elongated) then these are invariably harmless.

A similarly primitive insect (far older than true insects) is the jumping
bristletail. They're very nocturnal & feed primarily on the types of algae
& lichens that grow on forest floors in leaf & needle litter. They can be
very common in moist coastal forests where fallen leaves & debris are
thick, which material jumping bristletails help turn into topsoil. They
are rarely numerous in gardens. If there were many, you'd see them by
turning over a piece of lumber or flat piece of bark. As with springtails,
bristletails are harmless, & though they do eat living plant matter, it's
only algae & lichens, not higher plants.

Although springtails are a sign of good healthy soil & ideal plant
conditions, many vendors of various pesticides recommend getting rid of
them. Because chemical vendors don't care to distinguish between what is
helpful & what is harmful, they just want to sell more of their products.

Even if there were an imaginary reason to control them, the method would
be to clean up the leaflitter from the garden. I'd never do this because
springtail activity in leaflitter is a great source of garden nutrients
that helps do away with the need to artificially fertilize. But if I had a
phobia about springtails I'd sweep up all the leaves & that would
automatically lower the springtail population.
 

nickos2250

Member
fuck i sprayed white oil all over my plants but on both sides of the leaves and now they are almost dead. i had to clip all the dried out dead leaves. and the fucking mites still arent gone what a fucking bitch i dont know how to cope with this i am having an anxiety attack. i have washed them very well and still not all the oil has come off, after washing the lights went off for my 6hr period so i put the lights back on and i will give them time to recover have a look at the pics its so sad.View attachment 2431424View attachment 2431425View attachment 2431426View attachment 2431427View attachment 2431428View attachment 2431429DSC05833.jpgDSC05834.jpgDSC05835.jpgDSC05836.jpgDSC05837.jpgDSC05838.jpg


this is killing me inside.
 

Dookz

Active Member
That's what I have there fungus Nat's I've tried neem,soap,sticky traps,still have them there a bitch to get rid of any suggestions??
drench the top of the soil an then in the container cover/SEAL perlite to the top for 2 weeks as for botom or side holes really tape them or cover ......... plz make sure drain holes r in bottom!!!!
 

513409

Member
Fuck that sucks man! I have never used white oil. Only neem in very small doses in my water and foliage spray right as the lights turn off. Hope your crop pulls out of it!
 

Alexander Supertramp

Well-Known Member
Spider mites live in the foliage. Mostly on the underside of the fan leaves.
Springtails are subsurface dwellers and are usually only seen in runoff water, not at the surface.
Your problem sounds more like root aphids or more likely fungus gnats. I would google those and try to get a positive identification...
 

inhaleindica

Well-Known Member
^^^^^^^ I think they are root aphids. I have seen springtails in my runoff water and they don't seem to be a problem. I never have them around long anyways.
 

Guitar Man

Well-Known Member
well the plants are about 1 and a half month old. i think the problem started today cause im sure i would have noticed this i look in great detail at my plants at least 3 times a day lol this is the first time i have seen thousands of little things jumping up and down on my precious premium soil! i must say im fucking itchy! well i sprayed an outdoor perimiter pesticide around the outside of the grow room and it must have stunned them and they have all come out of hiding! also i have seen spider webs around the bottom of the pots but no spiders so im guessing they are spider mites!

well i have taken one of my more shitty plants and put it aside i made up a mix of chilli vinigar and garlic simmered it strained it and watered it down i have sprayed this one plant and all the bugs imidietly stopped jumping and got all retarded they now seem to be dead. BUT! big but, i am waiting to see if my plant now dies from this lol because in my mind spraying chilli and garlic on a plant has to have adverse effects dosnt it?
IMHO, part of your bug trouble is from this: If your plants are 6 weeks old, they are very unhealthy. In my garden, I would have been concerned about this problem long before the bugs. Bugs and all kinds of other shit are attracted to a weak grow.
 

sacpirate

Active Member
IMHO, part of your bug trouble is from this: If your plants are 6 weeks old, they are very unhealthy. In my garden, I would have been concerned about this problem long before the bugs. Bugs and all kinds of other shit are attracted to a weak grow.
i agree. they seem very nitrogen deficient and unhealthy for such a young group or plants.
 
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