C Cats 2012 Outdoor Grow~

Kaendar

Kaendar

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flushing doesnt get all those chems out.. dont believe the hype. And u dont have to compost it.. just mix it rite into ur soil. If u have some basic earth or potting soil that needs more ferts than u simply mix in the guano or scat or ash or watever ur using.. compost is not necessary.
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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thats why its alot easier than mainstream ferts, no having to measure it out, no having to worry about nute burn or PH.. just natural and simple. And alot cheaper. If u need chicken scat, just scrape some up. Egg shells, coffee grounds, coal ash, thats all stuff that can be found at home. Earthworm castings or bat guano can easily be found at Home depot or a nursery.
 
C Cat

C Cat

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Kaendar said:
And the only reason I suggest going organic is bcuz I dont want to be inhaling all those chemicals that are in ferts... u can get the same results using animal crap lol.. and we already eat that because thats wat all of our food is fertilized with. Idk.. its up to you.. but like I said, wud u drink or inhaled those bloom products straight up??
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I agree with ABM,people have been smoking bud with ferts forever now.I personally like the ferts because I think they benifit the plants big time.
Also I still do the eggshells in dirt,I have a compost pile withold veggies/grass,So its perfect mollases come flowering time. We all have our own styles of growing thats for sure.
(I would never want to inhale anything like that straight up Blehh:spew:
:spew:)


~C That cat?:dunce:
 
C Cat

C Cat

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Kaendar said:
thats why its alot easier than mainstream ferts, no having to measure it out, no having to worry about nute burn or PH.. just natural and simple. And alot cheaper. If u need chicken scat, just scrape some up. Egg shells, coffee grounds, coal ash, thats all stuff that can be found at home. Earthworm castings or bat guano can easily be found at Home depot or a nursery.
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If you know what your doing you wont get nute burn though;-)
,Im waiting on a 25lb bag of earthworm castings I never knew home depot had that!:wall:


~C That Cat?:dunce:
 
angryblackman

angryblackman

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C. Cat is understanding what I am saying and is doing research and using what is best for him/her.

Cat you a chick or a dude? Just wanna know so I can address you properly.

Kaendar I am going from my experience and you are going from yours. There are different ways to do organic and you CAN burn your plants with organic ferts as well. I have done it. I am not arguing the fact that it's a great way to grow but rather it's not the ONLY/BEST way to grow.

Cat whether you go organic, chem, or a combination of both please research thoroughly before applying any new methods. :)
 
C Cat

C Cat

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angryblackman said:
C. Cat is understanding what I am saying and is doing research and using what is best for him/her.

Cat you a chick or a dude? Just wanna know so I can address you properly.

Kaendar I am going from my experience and you are going from yours. There are different ways to do organic and you CAN burn your plants with organic ferts as well. I have done it. I am not arguing the fact that it's a great way to grow but rather it's not the ONLY/BEST way to grow.

Cat whether you go organic, chem, or a combination of both please research thoroughly before applying any new methods. :)
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Dudee! Last year I did mollases,then I wanted to try chem so I did molasis and beastie bloomz the 2nd year,Now this year id like to try Fox farm line and beastie,Open ses,aswell as Cha.
Im moving up year by year and trying new things,Hopefully I can do a good job supercropping this year!Lots of new ideas everyday I wish these plants could keep up with ME!:bigjoint:



~C That Cat?:dunce:
 
C Cat

C Cat

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Update!
I wake up to nasty rain! So i checked the weather and it will be raining for the next week!Ugh!!So much for really getting to use the FF nutes,Although I figure when they dry up I will feed them seeing how this rain will replace my job of watering hehe :P.Pictures soon I will be going to get spearmint and basil and a bunch of random seed stuff today to garden.


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ironheadxl

ironheadxl

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hi, little late to the party here but my 2 cents; as for root bound plants yeah opening up the root structures really helps. Landscape designer (ex now) so yeah thousands of plants per year in the ground trust me you don't want roots choking other roots. Organic; well I was raised organically so I am biased but everything is chemical organic or not, just an issue basically of petro chemically based or not. I have seen the people out there and no you do not want them fertilizing like they do, people tend to add ferts on a people level of understanding not a plant's. Scary. our rivers are green instead of clear because of it. A proper compost is however a very powerful tool. I recall a study done some white paper at a university, they found one square inch of compost gave a huge enrichment to one square foot of soil. Also petro based chem do not support healthy soil communities,i.e. bacteria, mycorrhizae, etc in fact they wipe it out.
So the upshot is flush long and hard if petro based, but if your going into the ground then i would consider the organic method as you are building a healthy soil in the long run. Of course I scored a bag of dense kush last night and who the heck knows how this was grown, which is why I want my plants to be ready now dammnitall lol
oh and something else, add charcoal to your soil (clean charcoal no bbq flavor lol) amazing bennis from that and I would suggest reading up on the benefits of healthy mushroom (mycorrhizae) growth in soil and healthy forest has it so why not your back yard?
 
C Cat

C Cat

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ironheadxl said:
hi, little late to the party here but my 2 cents; as for root bound plants yeah opening up the root structures really helps. Landscape designer (ex now) so yeah thousands of plants per year in the ground trust me you don't want roots choking other roots. Organic; well I was raised organically so I am biased but everything is chemical organic or not, just an issue basically of petro chemically based or not. I have seen the people out there and no you do not want them fertilizing like they do, people tend to add ferts on a people level of understanding not a plant's. Scary. our rivers are green instead of clear because of it. A proper compost is however a very powerful tool. I recall a study done some white paper at a university, they found one square inch of compost gave a huge enrichment to one square foot of soil. Also petro based chem do not support healthy soil communities,i.e. bacteria, mycorrhizae, etc in fact they wipe it out.
So the upshot is flush long and hard if petro based, but if your going into the ground then i would consider the organic method as you are building a healthy soil in the long run. Of course I scored a bag of dense kush last night and who the heck knows how this was grown, which is why I want my plants to be ready now dammnitall lol
oh and something else, add charcoal to your soil (clean charcoal no bbq flavor lol) amazing bennis from that and I would suggest reading up on the benefits of healthy mushroom (mycorrhizae) growth in soil and healthy forest has it so why not your back yard?
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Happy you will be joining the party ironhead!:bigjoint:

Now I was raised organic too but over time the nutes where getting to me so it had to happen and I've been hooked from there!:leaf:Are you saying they use way to much petro chems?Very good thinking on the mycorrhizae I never thought of that I will look into that more!I was also thinking of firepit ash?(Not the grey dust the black wood chips),I have a PERFECT compost pile its only 1inch of compost per foot?lol we all wish our plants where ready now! :cuss:

~Thank you :leaf:Very Much!:leaf:

~C That Cat?:dunce:
 
|B3RNY|

|B3RNY|

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You want to re-pot the least amount of times possible, while making sure that you do not become root-bound. You can grow very nice plants in 4/5 gal buckets and such, your yield will be relative to the size of your total root mass. You just aren't going to get monster sized plants out of a 1 gallon pale, if your pot is too small then you won't get to water much as each time your soil dries enough it will be time to feed again. There IS such thing as root bound, to argue against it is just silly. It doesn't matter how much $ you spend or how good of a grower you are- if your plants become too large for the pots they're in then they will show various signs of deficiencies and your yield will not be at it's full potential... assuming it makes it that far, plants that are very root-bound will quickly suffer and die off completely. Have you ever seen the way they grow giant plants around the Emerald Triangle outdoors? ...they have them in 20-25 gallon planters (per plant) or they are straight into the Earth, this is because your pot size=root mass size=total yield. Just be careful with your roots & the plants won't skip a beat. Good luck man.
Since you are growing outdoors why not plant them directly in the ground? Then you don't have to worry about it-they will grow as large as they have the potential for.
 
|B3RNY|

|B3RNY|

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Ashes (wood ash) is GREAT for soil, it will add small amounts of potassium (helping flowers bulk-up) and will also help to raise the pH of your soil (if needed) but there are other benefits as well... the ashes also repel many insects (including slugs & snails), but only before it gets washed into the soil by water- the ashes quickly dry the exoskeletons of insects, repelling or even killing them. It's a great soil amendment and can give a tiny boost to the flowering cycle.
 
angryblackman

angryblackman

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Great info here! I credit Kaendar for getting the ball rolling. Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion! :D We can all learn something new or hear it from a different perspective. :)
 
C Cat

C Cat

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|B3RNY| said:
You want to re-pot the least amount of times possible, while making sure that you do not become root-bound. You can grow very nice plants in 4/5 gal buckets and such, your yield will be relative to the size of your total root mass. You just aren't going to get monster sized plants out of a 1 gallon pale, if your pot is too small then you won't get to water much as each time your soil dries enough it will be time to feed again. There IS such thing as root bound, to argue against it is just silly. It doesn't matter how much $ you spend or how good of a grower you are- if your plants become too large for the pots they're in then they will show various signs of deficiencies and your yield will not be at it's full potential... assuming it makes it that far, plants that are very root-bound will quickly suffer and die off completely. Have you ever seen the way they grow giant plants around the Emerald Triangle outdoors? ...they have them in 20-25 gallon planters (per plant) or they are straight into the Earth, this is because your pot size=root mass size=total yield. Just be careful with your roots & the plants won't skip a beat. Good luck man.
Since you are growing outdoors why not plant them directly in the ground? Then you don't have to worry about it-they will grow as large as they have the potential for.
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Hello B3RNY! :leaf:

Im trying to repot only once or twice now MAX,The only reason I will not plant them in ground is because my home was built on an old junkyard :wall: so when I dig holes I find old glass bottles(Sometimes Cool unbroken ones)Tinfoil,I was digging one day and discoverd a WHOLE Toilet:!:! Kinda foiled my plan in that spot(Only got top out).Crushing up ash sounds good then I need to wait for a hot day its been pouring all day today,supposed to keep raining all week :-(
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~Thanks:leaf:Really do appreciate all the help from EVERYONE:leaf:




~C That Cat?:dunce:
 
C Cat

C Cat

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|B3RNY| said:
Ashes (wood ash) is GREAT for soil, it will add small amounts of potassium (helping flowers bulk-up) and will also help to raise the pH of your soil (if needed) but there are other benefits as well... the ashes also repel many insects (including slugs & snails), but only before it gets washed into the soil by water- the ashes quickly dry the exoskeletons of insects, repelling or even killing them. It's a great soil amendment and can give a tiny boost to the flowering cycle.
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The ash will come inhand aswell for the insects too! Thats great cause I usally have lazy slugs that love to hangout on my plants:dunce:
.Hey a boost is better than no boost right? :-P


angryblackman said:
Great info here! I credit Kaendar for getting the ball rolling. Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion! :D We can all learn something new or hear it from a different perspective. :)
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I Really appreciate help from everyone here I really do!:leaf::bigjoint:So many things being covered so fast!Kaendar Ill give ya some credit;-) I love me some healthy disscussion!:mrgreen:
 
C Cat

C Cat

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:leaf:Update:leaf:!
Decided to upload some pictures I had taken the other day,garden 012.jpgI think they have an amazing color,what do you think?
garden 002.jpg~Reminds me of aliens for some reason :bigjoint:.this 007.jpg Say hello to my 19 year old cat! Shes beautiful;-)thinking positive 005.jpgLove the colors once again!smith flower show 2011 006.jpg
 
C Cat

C Cat

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angryblackman said:
Awesome colors! Is that your back yard? I am working on the front flower garden at the moment at my place.
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Yes It is there is much much more!I just picked up a new camera too so more pictures when its not raining!
:leaf:Thanks!
Show me your garden :bigjoint:?


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angryblackman

angryblackman

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C Cat said:
Yes It is there is much much more!I just picked up a new camera too so more pictures when its not raining!
:leaf:Thanks!
Show me your garden :bigjoint:?


~C That Cat?:dunce:
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Just a few pickups from Lowes and a some dirt. Nothing that I would be proud of posting just yet. LOL
 
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