Calcium deficiency and holes in leaves?

blowincherrypie said:

Chef knows what he's talking about.. use the grow for the first 2 weeks after flip. Nothing worse than fading in the 2nd week of flower bruh

glad things turning around for ya

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For sure bro, will do. I appreciate all your help too man. You clearly know what the hell you're talking about.
Like I said I just watered them this morning. I'm going to water once more in 3 days or so, than feed them after that in a another 3-4 days.
Then water, water, feed again with the grow. Then I'll switch to the PBP soil formula.

Happy frog has enough calcium within it to get you easy into 3 week of flower, it's a milder mix , definitely is prone to ph fluctuations, probably a temp issue for twisted leaves , probably, without more info, to feed cal every watering in a soilless pre ferted medium isn't necessary, there is enough calcium in his medium and nutes to suffice until around week 4 flower hence no cal issues in the pics , in fact most light mixes and nutes have enough calcium for a complete 8week grow as long as you avoid any issues with salt build up, but obviously strain dependent

tiltswitch said:

Happy frog has enough calcium within it to get you easy into 3 week of flower, it's a milder mix , definitely is prone to ph fluctuations, probably a temp issue for twisted leaves , probably, without more info, to feed cal every watering in a soilless pre ferted medium isn't necessary, there is enough calcium in his medium and nutes to suffice until around week 4 flower hence no cal issues in the pics , in fact most light mixes and nutes have enough calcium for a complete 8week grow as long as you avoid any issues with salt build up, but obviously strain dependent

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He's going 7 weeks in happy frog that he's flushed and you're saying there's enough calcium in it to get him to 3 weeks flower?? idk man.. and yes most nutrients do have enough calcium, but most nutrients have more than 1% Ca and most people dont feed 1/3 of the manufacturer recomendation.

Maybe Im just not understanding your one big ass run-on.. regardless, OP seems to be in a better place so I guess it doesn't really fukn matter 2 me anymore.

thanks for at least trying to help

blowincherrypie... what would you recommend for my next feeding ask far as ml?

I was thinking 15ml of grow and keeping it at 3ml of cal-mag. I guess just double it since I've been doing 7ml?

Botanicare says 20ml for week 3.... the "pro" recipe says 10ml for week 3.

Project Ponics said:

blowincherrypie... what would you recommend for my next feeding ask far as ml?

I was thinking 15ml of grow and keeping it at 3ml of cal-mag. I guess just double it since I've been doing 7ml?

Botanicare says 20ml for week 3.... the "pro" recipe says 10ml for week 3.

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I'd personally just walk it up slow and cut the CaMg down a bit as you do. Say 10 + 3 your next and then 13+2 the following and see if you can get as many 15+1 before you switch to bloom nutrients. A gradual fading starting at 6-7 weeks is fine but not having enough N going into flowering can be a death sentence. I've seen people start fading after week 3 and they wind up not having enough leaves to bring it home properly.

If I were you I would also add some Epsom salts into your routine once you cut back your CaMg because it is true that too much Ca can have sum nasty consequences also.

Project Ponics said:

blowincherrypie... what would you recommend for my next feeding ask far as ml?

I was thinking 15ml of grow and keeping it at 3ml of cal-mag. I guess just double it since I've been doing 7ml?

Botanicare says 20ml for week 3.... the "pro" recipe says 10ml for week 3.

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I’m at full strength veg nutes after 3 weeks. That’s in pro mix so there’s no nutrients in that, but at 3-4 weeks old they’re at full strength.
The “Pro” recipe includes all the other bottles. Liquid karma, hydroplex, raw, silica blast. There’s a lot of crap in these bottles that make up the full feed so the decreased numbers in “pro” for grow won’t be enough in its own. The feeding schedule says 20ml but start at 15ml and go from there. I’ve worked with this line for 2.5 years so I know it pretty well.

Chef420 said:

I’m at full strength veg nutes after 3 weeks. That’s in pro mix so there’s no nutrients in that, but at 3-4 weeks old they’re at full strength.
The “Pro” recipe includes all the other bottles. Liquid karma, hydroplex, raw, silica blast. There’s a lot of crap in these bottles that make up the full feed so the decreased numbers in “pro” for grow won’t be enough in its own. The feeding schedule says 20ml but start at 15ml and go from there. I’ve worked with this line for 2.5 years so I know it pretty well.

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Ok good to know! I just thought the "pro" recipe was the amount for each different product they made. I didn't know that's how much it meant to use when using every product together per feeding... thanks man appreciate it.

Project Ponics said:

Ok I see, I'll have to go get more distilled water tomorrow and test that method out. I did that same thing, but with runoff water from the watering I gave it. It was about 6.5 which normally
my water/feeding run offs are about 6.3-6.4.

And I'm using 3gal pots...

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Yer buying bottled water,,,? Is it R.O. Or distilled..? Some bottled water containes sodium for flavor,, i messed up a shitload of plants not looking at the fine print on the bottled water I was buying,,,, coulda, shoulda, woulda,,,, oh,, ya,,
You'll figure it out man,,, just be patient,,,, that's all it takes,,,

blowincherrypie said:

He's going 7 weeks in happy frog that he's flushed and you're saying there's enough calcium in it to get him to 3 weeks flower?? idk man.. and yes most nutrients do have enough calcium, but most nutrients have more than 1% Ca and most people dont feed 1/3 of the manufacturer recomendation.

Maybe Im just not understanding your one big ass run-on.. regardless, OP seems to be in a better place so I guess it doesn't really fukn matter 2 me anymore.

thanks for at least trying to help

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Yes your correct, if flushed he needs to replace nutes cal mag etc, but, flushing doesn't wash all the nutrients in the pre ferted soil away, Iv forgotten now what week he's in, my post was only highlighting his overuse in my op of calcium every watering and possible cause of the twisted leaves(heat or over watering?) definitely only trying to help, too old for an argument lol, Trouble with growing that there is no right or wrong way in people's methods that work for them, it's not suprising to me that there's a lot of different answers to a problem. Like you say he's good now so happy days.

blowincherrypie said:

too much N? CaMg deficiency?

The leaves are too light/no claw/feeding 1/3rd of recommended nutrients...not N toxicity

OP has been adding CaMg with each watering.. Not deficiency


not to be a dick but

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just look at his reply lol...'over nuting, with slight deficiency'??? lol..this is someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Then he switches to say that led lights for some miraculous reason, want less N and more cal/mag??? lol..this is the absolute worst possible advice that one can invent! Why people like this comment, i have no idea, but they just lead people down a terrible path!!! OP should absolutely ignore that statement!

I gave that shit a slurry test and it was reading 6.8 ph and 100 ppm....
Something about that doesn't seem right.
My last test when I just pH the run-off water, the pH was 6.3 and ppm was around 550.
And that was 4 days ago during the last watering.

I am feeding today. Adding 12ml of grow, 3ml cal-mag and pH up.
Going in it's reading around 950 ppm and 6.3 pH.

The run-off was the exact same going in, 6.3. And the ppm was 855.

I paid close attention when feeding and did a bunch of different tests, so hopefully this little problem goes away soon!