Calcium nitrate and why you NEED it.

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churchhaze

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You need it because it's calcium nitrate.

There are no other soluble forms of calcium other than calcium nitrate and calcium chloride, which is ideal for animals, and terrible for plants.

Calcium nitrate is the only way to get calcium hydroponically, so what's the fear in buying it?

It is also the best source of nitrogen when growing hydroponically! You can not get enough nitrate using only potassium nitrate, or you will have too much potassium.

It's the main ingredient by mass in almost all complete hydroponic formulas.

it's only 1-2 dollars a pound, even in small quantities, so just buy it. How can you go wrong?

Stop buying cal-mag+

Any questions? Good. This thread is closed. I'm not even trying to sell you something. It's a salt.
 
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941mick

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churchhaze said:
You need it because it's calcium nitrate.

There are no other soluble forms of calcium other than calcium nitrate and calcium chloride, which is ideal for animals, and terrible for plants.

Calcium nitrate is the only way to get calcium hydroponically, so what's the fear in buying it?

It is also the best source of nitrogen when growing hydroponically! You can not get enough nitrate using only potassium nitrate, or you will have too much potassium.

It's the main ingredient by mass in almost all complete hydroponic formulas.

it's only 1-2 dollars a pound, even in small quantities, so just buy it. How can you go wrong?

Stop buying cal-mag+

Any questions? Good. This thread is closed. I'm not even trying to sell you something. It's a salt.
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Why does Calcium carbonate solve my CaMg issues than? The first time I had an issue was when I was trying to stick to organic products, and GO CaMg+ solved the problem in 72 hours.
 
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941mick

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You are seriously misleading people to affirm your practices of using bulk salts. Where that may work for you, it is not the only thing that works, and certainly not the best way to go about fertilizing for everyone.

IN hydroponic setting with no beneficial microbes or enzymes my GO CaMg+ may not be the best option since there are no living organisms to break down organic material, but in hydroponic gardens that are using microbes and enzyme products it is definitely an option.
 
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BROBIE

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941mick said:
You are seriously misleading people to affirm your practices of using bulk salts. Where that may work for you, it is not the only thing that works, and certainly not the best way to go about fertilizing for everyone.

IN hydroponic setting with no beneficial microbes or enzymes my GO CaMg+ may not be the best option since there are no living organisms to break down organic material, but in hydroponic gardens that are using microbes and enzyme products it is definitely an option.
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You honestly think you can narrow ANYTHING down to one product when you use the items listed below in your grows???? ::: just sayin'


FROM your journal:
Veg
Heavy 16 Veg A&B
AN-B52
General Organics CalMag
Dyna Grow-Protek
GH-Rapid Start
H&G-Drip Clean


Bloom
Heavy 16 Bud A&B(Starts off at 7ml/gal and will peak at 10ml/gal)
AN-Kushie Kush (Half Strength or 4ml/gal)
AN-Overdrive(Full Strength or 8ml/gal)
Fox Farm-Open Sesame(low dose or 1/4tsp/gal)
General Organics CalMag(5ml/gal every watering)
AN-B52(full strength or 8ml/gal)
Dyna Groow-Protek(1ml/gal)
GH-Rapid Start(1ml/gal)
AN-Sensizym(8ml/gal)
H&G-Drip Clean( 1/2ml/gal)

My Tea Recipe
Earthworm Castings(1/2 cup/gal)
GH Ancient Forrest(1/2 cup/gal)
Primordial Solutions-SeaGreen(1ml/gal)GAME CHANGER
AN-Voodoo Juice(8ml/gal)
MIcrobe LIfe-Photosynthesis Plus(10ml/gal) GAME CHANGER
Heavy 16- Prime(1ml/gal)
AN- Nirvana(8ml/gal)

Folliar Spray Veg
Heavy 16- Folliar (40ml/QT)
All Day Organics- Bushido Stash (1/8th tsp per quart!!!) GAME CHANGER

Folliar Spray Bloom
Bud Factor X (2ml/QT)


Strain:
Reserva Privada Sour OG
 
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941mick

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BROBIE said:
You honestly think you can narrow ANYTHING down to one product when you use the items listed below in your grows???? ::: just sayin'


FROM your journal:
Veg
Heavy 16 Veg A&B
AN-B52
General Organics CalMag
Dyna Grow-Protek
GH-Rapid Start
H&G-Drip Clean


Bloom
Heavy 16 Bud A&B(Starts off at 7ml/gal and will peak at 10ml/gal)
AN-Kushie Kush (Half Strength or 4ml/gal)
AN-Overdrive(Full Strength or 8ml/gal)
Fox Farm-Open Sesame(low dose or 1/4tsp/gal)
General Organics CalMag(5ml/gal every watering)
AN-B52(full strength or 8ml/gal)
Dyna Groow-Protek(1ml/gal)
GH-Rapid Start(1ml/gal)
AN-Sensizym(8ml/gal)
H&G-Drip Clean( 1/2ml/gal)

My Tea Recipe
Earthworm Castings(1/2 cup/gal)
GH Ancient Forrest(1/2 cup/gal)
Primordial Solutions-SeaGreen(1ml/gal)GAME CHANGER
AN-Voodoo Juice(8ml/gal)
MIcrobe LIfe-Photosynthesis Plus(10ml/gal) GAME CHANGER
Heavy 16- Prime(1ml/gal)
AN- Nirvana(8ml/gal)

Folliar Spray Veg
Heavy 16- Folliar (40ml/QT)
All Day Organics- Bushido Stash (1/8th tsp per quart!!!) GAME CHANGER

Folliar Spray Bloom
Bud Factor X (2ml/QT)


Strain:
Reserva Privada Sour OG
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Once upon a time 941mick only used fox farm products, and ran into a CaMg issue in which he used GO CaMg to correct the issue.....

I would never recommend a new grower to jump into my feeding regimen that recipe has been built up over years of growing, and is tailored for one specific strain. My 818 headband gets the same lineup but in different ratios.
 
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941mick

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BROBIE said:
You honestly think you can narrow ANYTHING down to one product when you use the items listed below in your grows???? ::: just sayin'


FROM your journal:
Veg
Heavy 16 Veg A&B
AN-B52
General Organics CalMag
Dyna Grow-Protek
GH-Rapid Start
H&G-Drip Clean


Bloom
Heavy 16 Bud A&B(Starts off at 7ml/gal and will peak at 10ml/gal)
AN-Kushie Kush (Half Strength or 4ml/gal)
AN-Overdrive(Full Strength or 8ml/gal)
Fox Farm-Open Sesame(low dose or 1/4tsp/gal)
General Organics CalMag(5ml/gal every watering)
AN-B52(full strength or 8ml/gal)
Dyna Groow-Protek(1ml/gal)
GH-Rapid Start(1ml/gal)
AN-Sensizym(8ml/gal)
H&G-Drip Clean( 1/2ml/gal)

My Tea Recipe
Earthworm Castings(1/2 cup/gal)
GH Ancient Forrest(1/2 cup/gal)
Primordial Solutions-SeaGreen(1ml/gal)GAME CHANGER
AN-Voodoo Juice(8ml/gal)
MIcrobe LIfe-Photosynthesis Plus(10ml/gal) GAME CHANGER
Heavy 16- Prime(1ml/gal)
AN- Nirvana(8ml/gal)

Folliar Spray Veg
Heavy 16- Folliar (40ml/QT)
All Day Organics- Bushido Stash (1/8th tsp per quart!!!) GAME CHANGER

Folliar Spray Bloom
Bud Factor X (2ml/QT)


Strain:
Reserva Privada Sour OG
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Since using this line-up I've never had a deficiency or burn issue...

also way to cut out the nutrient preface describing how this is not economical for everyone and how I am in a lucky position to use what I use.
 
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az2000

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941mick said:
certainly not the best way to go about fertilizing for everyone.
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I use Grow More Sea Grow. I bought 5lb tubs of all purpose (veg) and flower, and a 1lb canister of their Hawaiian Bloom (a booster type thing). All of it cost me about $40 delivered.[1] It's going to last me 2-3 years.

It might be fun to get into raw chemicals and more precise feeding. But, learning to grow was a steep learning curve. It's going to be awhile until I'm that bored.

The whole calcium nitrate thing probably isn't as simple as portrayed. For example, he says he can fill a liter bottle for $5. I don't think that means he can sell it for that amount. There are costs associated with storing the bulk material, packaging, accepting orders through a web page, dealing with Visa/MC, disputes, liability, etc. Suddenly it looks more like $10-$15 to be profitable. The price range where the "BS" products don't look so BS'ish anymore. :)

I believe the market takes care of most inefficiencies like this. The fact that nobody's stepping in to make reasonable profits from "non-BS" products indicates that market isn't viable. It's probably an education challenge.

If it were my passion, I'd create a web site (say, for free, on 000webhost) and document what I know (basic chemistry, sources of raw chemicals, recipies that can be followed immediately). Calling people fools and hoping they drop your class probably isn't the most effective way to change the status quo, IMO.

[1] Grow More Sea Grow schedule here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/grow-more-fertilizer.621368/#post-10664097
 
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941mick

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az2000 said:
I use Grow More Sea Grow. I bought 5lb tubs of all purpose (veg) and flower, and a 1lb canister of their Hawaiian Bloom (a booster type thing). All of it cost me about $40 delivered. It's going to last me 2-3 years.

It might be fun to get into raw chemicals and more precise feeding. But, learning to grow was a steep learning curve. It's going to be awhile until I'm that bored.

The whole calcium nitrate thing probably isn't as simple as portrayed. For example, he says he can fill a liter bottle for $5. I don't think that means he can sell it for that amount. There are costs associated with storing the bulk material, packaging, accepting orders through a web page, dealing with Visa/MC, disputes, liability, etc. Suddenly it looks more like $10-$15 to be profitable. The price range where the "BS" products don't look so BS'ish anymore. :)

I believe the market takes care of most inefficiencies like this. The fact that nobody's stepping in to make reasonable profits from "non-BS" products indicates that market isn't viable. It's probably an education challenge.

If it were my passion, I'd create a web site (say, for free, on 000webhost) and document what I know (basic chemistry, sources of raw chemicals, recipies that can be followed immediately). Calling people fools and hoping they drop your class probably isn't the most effective way to change the status quo, IMO.
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Grow More is a great example of an efficient low cost fertilizer company. I have great respect for Hawaiian Bloom.
 
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Jbone77

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I dont think anyone should use raw salts anymore and think everyone should buy things like cal/mag, protekt, koolbloom etc because mixing koolbloom with water is much easier than mixing monopotassium phosphate with water and mixing protekt with water is much easier than mixing potassium silicate with water. And as far as cal/mag goes you would need to be a genius to mix those complicated salts up withou blowing your house up, its like meth. And the nute manufacturers use cannabis specific raw salts, not just every day raw salts. Yes sir
 
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941mick

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Jbone77 said:
I dont think anyone should use raw salts anymore and think everyone should buy things like cal/mag, protekt, koolbloom etc because mixing koolbloom with water is much easier than mixing monopotassium phosphate with water and mixing protekt with water is much easier than mixing potassium silicate with water. And as far as cal/mag goes you would need to be a genius to mix those complicated salts up withou blowing your house up, its like meth. And the nute manufacturers use cannabis specific raw salts, not just every day raw salts. Yes sir
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No one is telling you to not do what works for you! Your just telling people to stop doing things that work for them and to do what you do. I fucking use almost 20 products but am I on here telling people to run exactly what I run just because it works best for me?

You don't even know of all of the forms of plant usable Calcium. You left out carbonate and phosphate sources(Nector of the Gods Calcium source), but are creating thread saying nitrate sources are the only plant usable form of calcium. If your going to create a thread to support your practices, try to be honest or at least knowledgeable. You could have pointed out the pros and cons of each source of calcium to support why you believe calcium nitrate is the best. Instead you either intentionally left out information or were not aware of other plant usable sources of calcium, and if it's the later you have no business creating this thread in the first place.

You are also naive if you think all salt sources are the same. Granted I'm sure a lot of lines are in fact sourcing their ingredients from the same place, but not all of them. Some scientists are going to synthesize chemicals better than others, if that wasn't the case all chemists would get paid the same, because no one would be better than the other.

You are seriously putting blinders on to justify practices that no one is even bashing you for using.
 
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churchhaze

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This thread is about calcium nitrate and its use.

If you have no clue what you're talking about, please don't post anything. :)
 
941mick

941mick

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churchhaze said:
This thread is about calcium nitrate and its use.

If you have no clue what you're talking about, please don't post anything. :)
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LMFAO


churchhaze said:
This thread is actually about what works for me and what can work for you.

Notice, I am the original poster!!
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Ya but you and jbone are one in the same. Both of you pollute this forum with your raw salt propaganda, sorry for getting you mixed up. if that's your only response to what I had to say that's fine, as I didn't expect much...
 
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churchhaze

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Raw.... salt.... propaganda? Excuse me... what?

Son, you done smoked too much weed.

941mick said:
Ya but you and jbone are one in the same. Both of you pollute this forum with your raw salt propaganda, sorry for getting you mixed up. if that's your only response to what I had to say that's fine, as I didn't expect much...
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