Right, just like how the work of those silly European F1 breeders like Sensi and Mr. Nice just faded away by the roadside. That's why its so easy to score Block Head beans these days, right? I am getting really sick of this complaint, if you want to work lines, do it yourself. The reason a lot of breeders don't work lines, or release their worked lines to the public, is because of the way that other seed companies work and rerelease the genetics of other breeders. This is the same reason why a pack of Soma's regular NYCD or Amnesia beans will set you back $250, because he wants you to really fucking work for it if you want an incredibly dank amnesia haze or NYCD male. The last thing most breeders want is for another person to start a seed line with their genetics. With a worked strain to an F4 or higher, one could basically do an open pollination of a pack of beans and come out with a batch of roughly similar (some better, some worse, but similar) F5s. If you do an open pollination with a pack of F1s, or don't really know what you are doing selection-wise, you can barely expect your F2s to resemble (at best) the F1 beans, as the results of all the beans produced in this manner (no matter how many) will only contain the genetic material of the parents used in the cross, and some phenotypes found in the F1 will be lost in the process. IBLs and worked lines are nice for the hobbyist breeder because they are good way to get a handle on male plant selection, without too much insane risk of picking a shit male and getting a huge pile of birdseed. Many breeders do refine their males to an F3 or F4, so as to pass characteristics on to, but not dominate, in the hybrids with that male. However, they frequently do not release the generation that their male is from to the public, which is what gives some people the impression that there is no actual line working going on.
my Friend, I understand what your saying. But please allow me to disagree and voice why.
your eyes seem to be fit with dollars bills. I'm sure you love cannabis, like the rest of us. But my interest is for the species itself. As a so called "Breeder", you take on the responsibilites of furthering goodness for the genepool, and continuing it's success in potency, flavor, odor, etc, etc. you know the rest. If all you wanna do is play in your closet, creating one off f1 hybrids that absolutely could not be replicated without the original parents, and maybe even not then, then fine. But that's not breeding is it? That's doesn't seem to have anything to do with dialing down a smell, or color, or flavor. It's childsplay.
Breeders don't stabilize their strains not in fear of other people ripping off their work, or creating their own seedlines with em. That's flatterly, and what every real breeder should want. It's a mark in history. Name a breeder that doesn't want their strains to be around 30 years from now. Breeder's don't stabilize their strains because to most people, it really doesnt matter, and anyone who knows what's really going on, doesn't seem to care enough to call them on their shit. It's fast and easy money. There's hardly any work. Hmmmmm, I like this strain, and this one taste good also, cross them, and bam $10/bean. Even more greedy, are the so called breeders releasing f2's of their work. I'm familiar with many of the terms you speak of, and in terms of variations. what good is it doing for a strain/breeder, having a variety of a particular strain (f2's) pumped out into the world? All that results in, is a bastardization of the strain, and who knows what pheno you'll get when you pick up a clone, or sprout a bean. It will be inconsistent, people will stop caring, and the strain will dissapear.
Even so in the immediate future, breeders are gonna run out of stabilized strains to breed their hybrids with. Sure, they can stabilize the parents for themselves, but then what's the point really. f1's will start looking like f2's, no body will give a shit what the genetics are. No one will have the time to pheno hunt through thousands of plants, looking for a choice-select pheno with no future to build a room full of clones.
I guess looking back on both our replies, the need for both worlds exist. If breeder's spent all their time stabilizing strains, then I'm sure we would not have seen some of the most popular and potent ones we smoke today. Forgetting that most of them are clone only anyways
For as we both know, it's in the f2 where magic starts to appear. I do also think, that without the stabilzation of certain genetics, everything will be mixed, nothing will be consistent, no strains will exist - how could they? they're all temporary crosses, and anything worth keeping around, will have to be done so in clone form. That's not really any good for the species.
which strain is that? yeah, but which one? but what pheno? Huh?
Breeders basically own people with this shit. They own the genetics, and the ability to reproduce the strains. We will be at the mercy to them. We will eat what they feed us, without the ability to create for ourselves.
I love cannabis too much to watch this happen. I think if you truly knew as much as you thought you did (don't try to impress us with general breeding knowledge) then you would perhaps agree as well.
If you want to be called a breeder, you work the fucking lines! In any other context (tomatoes, horses, dogs, etc...), you'd be laughed out of business.
Get real.
I love you.
.... both those are FIYAH!
