can plants from feminized seeds be as potent as regular seeds?

Nubby Tubbs

Nubby Tubbs

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my buddy and i are at it again, and hes claiming that the pot you get from a feminized seed can NEVER compare to the pot you get from a regular seed. i know full well the problems that come from growing femmed seed, but i dont think theres any lost potency... any thoughts from the RIU community?
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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yah, i don't understand why anyone would think that fem'ed beans have less potency than a non fem'ed bean for whatever reason.. no offense to the op, but i'll never understand the reasoning behind this type of thinking... all you're doing by making a fem'ed seed is keeping that one pheno type and making it into a chick.. you do get rid of a lot of other pheno's in the process by getting rid of the father, that is for sure, but i don't think that affects potency in anyway so long as the mom was a nice healthy potent plant..
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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racerboy71 said:
yah, i don't understand why anyone would think that fem'ed beans have less potency than a non fem'ed bean for whatever reason.. no offense to the op, but i'll never understand the reasoning behind this type of thinking... all you're doing by making a fem'ed seed is keeping that one pheno type and making it into a chick.. you do get rid of a lot of other pheno's in the process by getting rid of the father, that is for sure, but i don't think that affects potency in anyway so long as the mom was a nice healthy potent plant..
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You are not getting rid of any phenotypes dude, having a father just means that that the next generation of plants from the seeds might or will share some of the fathers phenotypes.

Not having this genetic variation can lead to degredation of the actual cell dna over 20/30 generations of inbreeding or even worse selfing by replicating the same old plant again and again.

There is some truth to what your friend says but probably not what he thinks, the strength will not be lost until genetic degredation occurs. I'd say you were both right, yes potency can be lost after a lot of generations but no noticable difference will be seen from generation to generation.

Any futher questions or arguments, say the big hermie debate etc etc i love genetics so anything else i can help with??
 
Nubby Tubbs

Nubby Tubbs

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Kingrow1 said:
Any futher questions or arguments, say the big hermie debate etc etc i love genetics so anything else i can help with??
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YES.

1) when i look at seeds and i see (for example) kush x cheese... which is the father?

2) is it true that some herms produce "retarded" or unusable pollen? i had a plant herm BAD and my whole room shoulda seeded. upon further reading, i found a bozo in a forum claiming that some hermie pollen is sterile... true?

oh theres more.... let me think...
 
whileilaydying

whileilaydying

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a feminized seed is a seed that is produced by a female plant with no male plants present for pollination to occur. how would that factor differentiate the potentcy. my theory is people hate on fem seeds because either they dont have the balls to buy them on their own, or their too dumb to realize where they come from.
 
goten

goten

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ktim48 said:
a feminized seed is what????????????????????????????????????????????
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A seed that is ( Supposed ) to be 100% female

And i do not see how a fem seed would be anymore or less potent then if it was a reg seed

unless you harvest them at different times
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Nubby Tubbs said:
YES.

1) when i look at seeds and i see (for example) kush x cheese... which is the father?

2) is it true that some herms produce "retarded" or unusable pollen? i had a plant herm BAD and my whole room shoulda seeded. upon further reading, i found a bozo in a forum claiming that some hermie pollen is sterile... true?

Kush x cheese, father would be whicheva the male one was but if part of a beeding scheme to create a stablized plant backcrossed a few times the there might be no father or mother, both kush and chees might have both had male and females in the same time or at seperate times, rarely dose a breeder cros two different strains once and say i've made a new strain, other things like backcrossing and recrossing the strain to stabalise it mean that there is no original mothers and fathers only the strain they both take their genetics from.

I have heard of steile pollen before but have never seen it or a documented case, probably more like too high humidity or too hot for the pollen to work, i get this on my jalepenos a lot in high humidity and the pollen dosent take unfortunatly, flower drop is common too at high temps and humidity with peppers, so no there should be no such thing as sterile pollen although i can see situations that might cause you to think it has happened!

If you could sterilise pollen genetically i think a lot of fruit breeders who didn't want seeeds might factor these genetics into the plant and we would know about it.
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Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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I grow only fem seeds and produce them myself, don't pay rip off prices for weed seeds! Hermies are myths, very few exsist inside and bad genetics, more like the grower made a lot of mistakes. Genetics don't make mutant leaves and that, more like cause a plant to be taller or shorter. Bad genetics is like a one in a million thing and a true hermie, i only ever seen pics so i dont think many actually have grown one. Peace
 
Nubby Tubbs

Nubby Tubbs

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oh dude... the first question was a little easier than you think.... do breeders list the male or female first, or does it vary. like, is LA(m) x OG(f) the same as OG(m) x LA(f)?
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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No they don't due to exstensive breeding schemes, maybe the most dominant would be listed first but i see no preference, there is no reason for any breeder to list what was male and female, feminised crosses do not adhere to any male dominance either.

You seem to think that a strain can be made from a single cross from a male and female, good luck there, wed all be doing it if it was that easy, a cross will produce different phenotypes and both male and female plants, the breeder takes the male and female and breeds these together to pick out the strongest and most to his liking, he then dose that with another strain, he breeds the best and crosses them so there is no real father or mother and even if there was that was a lot of generations ago for the breeder so he dosent care less or give a hoot what is listed first on the strain guide.

If you wanted to make a new strain of big bud and crossed it with haze you would list the big bud first being the dominant phenotypes that showed through.

Hope you can understand this, not quite as simple as you at first think, like asking which came first the chicken or the egg. Peace
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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To backcross a male female is mated with its grandparents to stabalise the genetics, there is no true mother and father anyway and both strains crossed will have both females and males, breeders dont take a male lemonskink plant and female purple kush plant, they take males and females of both, breeders have hundreds of both sexes and both strains till they stabalise them over a few generations.

There are multiple fathers and mothers, strain crosses do not go on male female only the strain, hope this futher simplifies things and if not the answer is no! Peace

Male dominance has nothing to do with strain.
 
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