aeviaanah
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what ya go take a smoke break and forget about me?! i got to get this organic stuff goin man
Can someone help me with this soil mix?
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Matt Rize
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Oh yeah, did forget about this thread...dog sitting two pits with separation issues this weekend, and a little preoccupied running back and forth between houses. Man this is a lot of questions.
Okay. To start you can put your cuts into small pots with FFOF, granular myco, and the geowhatevers. FFOF is perfect for babies already, I've used it as a veg base forever. That with a dose of tea (optional but beneficail) will get you through early veg, thriving.
A mid-veg transplant into a "hotter" mix is good. And I would plan on a third transplant that is even hotter and set up for transition from late veg to early flower. This third transplant will be the last (for me). I make sure to plan on switching over to soluble from slow release gradually as the meals/guanos/castings are used up in the third transplant.
Your second mix should be Nitrogen heavy, for veg, and this is where the castings and age old grow slow release come in handy. Keep the geohumus and granular myco parts consistent throughout your transplants. Can't hurt I guess, but I've never used the geo. Maybe a third castings is too much, I'm not sure how light the Geohumus is. The overall mix may be too heavy without perlite, and eff perlite.
Your third (last) transplant should be just like the second, even a little stronger. Do not drop the age old grow slow release if you do not want to supplement Nitrogen (what I do for better flush). You can put a little slow release flower food in this third mix if you want, but I prefer to feed flowers with soluble plant extracts, that way I can cut them off and flush.
You are planning on feeding some bat guano, right? I would balance that with a quality seaweed product, earth and turf PK
A little lime can't hurt, I don't know what your water pH and nutrient mixture pH are.
You can use the worm castings as your tea base. Guano (you got dry guano right?) can be added to the mix to make tea in flowering, or if you need extra PK in veg because of advanced yield situations
. And you can use the AO grow in a tea, if you feel the plants need it, or in my case, can take it. I find they use more N in early flower for organics. You are essentially making yourself the bountea kit from stuff you already have. One last thing I can think of while super baked on this Vegan Organics is the AIR STONE DEBATE...
The theory, maybe fact, is that air stones make tiny bubbles that are actually bad for microbial growth. I have a cheap DIY fix that requires almost nothing. I clipped a clothes pin to the end of my air-pump hose, to make the shape of a ring. The hose has a dozen or so holes drilled into it, and a couple stone weights tied to it to hold it down. BOOM, nothing but a couple stones and twist ties.
edit: and when you make tea, think about sensitive microbes, and finding a warm stable dark place to brew it up.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
And seriously, get a bottle of organic molasses. It's inexpensive and will keep your soil microbes happy. I have a whole post on my thread explaining why that is...feed the microbes so the plant doesn't have to fulfill its part of the symbiotic relationship.
To water (city): fill res, let it bubble for 24 hours, add soluble microbes and molasses, wait, add any teas/solubles, check pH, then water whole res in an hour or less.
To water (city): fill res, let it bubble for 24 hours, add soluble microbes and molasses, wait, add any teas/solubles, check pH, then water whole res in an hour or less.
aeviaanah
Well-Known Member
Right on man! I appreciate the great plan you devised. I will go out and get some molasses and dolomite today...can you think of any last minute additives?Oh yeah, did forget about this thread...dog sitting two pits with separation issues this weekend, and a little preoccupied running back and forth between houses. Man this is a lot of questions.
Okay. To start you can put your cuts into small pots with FFOF, granular myco, and the geowhatevers. FFOF is perfect for babies already, I've used it as a veg base forever. That with a dose of tea (optional but beneficail) will get you through early veg, thriving.
A mid-veg transplant into a "hotter" mix is good. And I would plan on a third transplant that is even hotter and set up for transition from late veg to early flower. This third transplant will be the last (for me). I make sure to plan on switching over to soluble from slow release gradually as the meals/guanos/castings are used up in the third transplant.
Your second mix should be Nitrogen heavy, for veg, and this is where the castings and age old grow slow release come in handy. Keep the geohumus and granular myco parts consistent throughout your transplants. Can't hurt I guess, but I've never used the geo. Maybe a third castings is too much, I'm not sure how light the Geohumus is. The overall mix may be too heavy without perlite, and eff perlite.
Your third (last) transplant should be just like the second, even a little stronger. Do not drop the age old grow slow release if you do not want to supplement Nitrogen (what I do for better flush). You can put a little slow release flower food in this third mix if you want, but I prefer to feed flowers with soluble plant extracts, that way I can cut them off and flush.
You are planning on feeding some bat guano, right? I would balance that with a quality seaweed product, earth and turf PK
A little lime can't hurt, I don't know what your water pH and nutrient mixture pH are.
You can use the worm castings as your tea base. Guano (you got dry guano right?) can be added to the mix to make tea in flowering, or if you need extra PK in veg because of advanced yield situations
One last thing I can think of while super baked on this Vegan Organics is the AIR STONE DEBATE...
The theory, maybe fact, is that air stones make tiny bubbles that are actually bad for microbial growth. I have a cheap DIY fix that requires almost nothing. I clipped a clothes pin to the end of my air-pump hose, to make the shape of a ring. The hose has a dozen or so holes drilled into it, and a couple stone weights tied to it to hold it down. BOOM, nothing but a couple stones and twist ties.
edit: and when you make tea, think about sensitive microbes, and finding a warm stable dark place to brew it up.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
You should have it covered. Surprised no one's chimed in yet.
Ancient Chinese proverb:
Put 5 growers in a room and ask them to tell you how to grow. You will get no less than 10 answers.
aeviaanah
Well-Known Member
hah thats a good one....
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
HAHAHA, this one guy locked my thread that was calling out the organic growers who smoke dirty 'tane, lol. at least i am safe here because it is just us lol...or is it? hahahaha
Some people get my humor, other's hate me for it. I suppose sarcastic jerk doesn't work for everyone. Oh man...this site cracks me up. At least I got thousands of readers on my vegan organics thread, which is why i joined in the first place. BOOM!
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/364864-vegan-organics-professor-matt-veganics.html
Nullis
Moderator
It was just a pretty stupid thread. I mean you can't grasp that everybody has their own perceptions, opinions and methods for just about everything we do. You make a thread deeming such and such 'unacceptable' or 'effing gross' or whatever your particular hang-ups about whatever the fuck you are rambling about are. You so flamboyantly present to us what you perceive to be the 'acceptable' or 'worry free' methodology, and go on exaggerating all potential caveats about it that you can think of. Then of course, anybody that doesn't agree with you is just a 'hater' or a 'non-believer'.
And do you realize that everything of substance in our world either is, or consists of 'chemicals'?
I am sure that bubble hash is great, and 'veganics' and whatever the hell else it is that you do but whatever. Not everyone is going to prefer it, many people are not going to buy trichome separative devices or bags or pricey nutrients. Sure, you could make honey oil with cheap/shitty butane that leaves behind residues; and you could also make bubble hash with toilet water.
Lol. Thousands of readers, eh? How the hell many of those views do you suppose are your own? I know that 66% of the posts in there you made yourself and you don't even seem to know what you are talking about.
And do you realize that everything of substance in our world either is, or consists of 'chemicals'?
I am sure that bubble hash is great, and 'veganics' and whatever the hell else it is that you do but whatever. Not everyone is going to prefer it, many people are not going to buy trichome separative devices or bags or pricey nutrients. Sure, you could make honey oil with cheap/shitty butane that leaves behind residues; and you could also make bubble hash with toilet water.
Lol. Thousands of readers, eh? How the hell many of those views do you suppose are your own? I know that 66% of the posts in there you made yourself and you don't even seem to know what you are talking about.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Hey, I appreciate your perspective and humor. My posts don't intend to attack others methods, but they attacks come my way, and its more fun to retaliate than just defend myself all the time. Either way...welcome to the conversation! Anything to add for homie? I'm sure there is something crucial that I left out.
post edit: well okay then. After pages of helping a bredren start his first organic run, and getting talked shit at for supposedly poo-pooing old school organics, while at the same time devising an old school system for homie to run his first organic round... and still you have nothing to add to this conversation... I don't know what a troll is, but you are not helping and I am.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
help please! or not. d'oh. where are the old school organic pros when you actually want to hear from them? how does the plan for homie's first organic round look?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Make sure to not cause any serious deficiencies when you do the flush, and if deficiencies do occur it would be best to just switch over to organics so they continue to be healthy. Don't worry about a little chem in the system, no biggie unless you are some kind of organic nazi. You are making the right choice, and if the buds haven't grown you won't even notice the chem start to the nugs because the organics will be in the majority.aeviaanah said:
Your brew plan is spot on. That one guy would say temp is super important, but you can make up for 70ish degrees with a two or three day brew instead of 24 hours. put molasses in there too, a little at a time, to feed the microbes as they grow. Also, be prepared to filter that tea somehow before watering in to your pots.
aeviaanah
Well-Known Member
I mixed the following, roughly...
3 parts peat moss
1.5 parts fox farm ocean forest
1 part perlite
1 part earth worm castings
10 tbsp of age old grow powder
4 oz geohumus
I wet this mix down with dechlorinated water with a bit of FF big bloom. This mix should be a bit hot for seedlings but this is for a well rooted late veg plant. I have dolomite lime coming in the mail. Ill add some before transplant.
3 parts peat moss
1.5 parts fox farm ocean forest
1 part perlite
1 part earth worm castings
10 tbsp of age old grow powder
4 oz geohumus
I wet this mix down with dechlorinated water with a bit of FF big bloom. This mix should be a bit hot for seedlings but this is for a well rooted late veg plant. I have dolomite lime coming in the mail. Ill add some before transplant.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
oh, posted here too, lol d'oh. Yeah, you know what's up. The lime will help keep your pH around 7. and the peat will help pull it to the acid side, which is good. You can run a pH test on your mix before you start if you have one of them test kits (mix soil/water, add drops, color=pH).
You will probably need to up the amount of perlite, especially with the EWC.
"I" like 30-40% perlite and no more than 20% EWC. I have 2 bins and have plenty. It's not that it's hot or anything, it's just really heavy in the mix.
Good going on waiting on the lime.
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