can you only turn one branch into one cutting/clone?

NoobRyder

NoobRyder

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or can you cut a branch you remove into half and have 2 or 3.

its just i dont understand how you could do that without the other 2 clones having been cut at both ends when putting them in rockwool.

finding it difficult to describe what i mean but hopefully someone understands.
 
mygirls

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
its best to clones small. when you cut off your branch cut asmanyclones from that.the bigger the branch the more clones. but yes you can clone a branch it will take longer to root. i tried cutting a branch in half and the half with no tip did not root.
 
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NoobRyder said:
or can you cut a branch you remove into half and have 2 or 3.

its just i dont understand how you could do that without the other 2 clones having been cut at both ends when putting them in rockwool.

finding it difficult to describe what i mean but hopefully someone understands.
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It's okay for a clone to be cut at both ends. ;-)

New growth has the highest concentrations of nitrogen..... nitrogen inhibits rooting. The double-cut clones taken from down low will usually root faster than the growing tips.

While we're at it.... you'll here a lot of bullshit about 45* angles for greater surface area... blah blah blah. I've never seen any plant root from the open wound at the end.... side scaring is the way to go (IMHO :twisted:). People do it because someone told them to do it. Aside from scarifying, I think separating the clones from the mother should be as stress-free as possible.

Make all clean cuts with a fresh razor if you can. I always have worse strike rates when I've used scissors. I once had a 4 day clone in Rapid Rooters when I accidentally spilled Clonex on my razor.... I didn't wipe it off and just made the cut; now I dip the razor into the hormone so that it gets treated as I slice.

Always cut a well hydrated mother plant.

Plant nodes act like human stem cells. They form whatever the plant needs, when it needs it (highly specialized). I try to focus rooting efforts here as middle stem cuts don't get it done for me. I've had clones roots faster from exposed nodes (as exposed as it can get under a humidity dome ;-)) than the heavily treated end in the RR.

I take the smallest clones I possibly can..... still planning an aerocloner. :bigjoint:
 
robert 14617

robert 14617

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How do I take multiple clones from the whole branch?


Contributed by: MeasureG
Submitted: 05-02-2003

Introduction
Most folks (including me) take only main growing tips as cuttings, but occasions arise when you want to preserve the maximum number of growing tips on the mother plant. Sometimes it is better to remove only one complete branch and make it into multiple clones. Occasionally, while training a plant, you will break off a branch. Here's a way to turn that branch into multiple clones.

Just as an aside, I discovered this technique when my knife slipped, and I cut across a node instead of trimming off the leaf and secondary growing tip at that node. I was surprised when the bottom half rooted faster than the main growing tip.

According to several sources, cuttings taken from below the main growing tip will usually root faster (and in my observation better) due to lower nitrogen levels and higher carbohydrate levels. I also find the stiffer woody stems from lower on a branch easier to deal with than soft green ones near the tip.

The smaller secondary growing tips will take a bit longer to develop into full fledged plants, but they will have a great set of roots to do it with.

Technique
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Cut off the main growing tip by making a 45 degree cut through the main stem just above a node and prepare it as you normally would.

Cut up the remainder of the branch by making a succession of cuts through the nodes at 45 degree angles. You will end up with a bunch of short stems with a 45 degree cut at the top and the bottom, and a leaf and growing tip near the upper edge of the top cut.





If the cutting is too long to fit entirely inside your cloning medium, trim the bottom end of the cutting.






Holding the cutting by the leaf stem (petiole), scrape away some of the outer layer of the stem tissue to expose some phloem (the white tissue underneath). Dip the whole stem into your cloning gel or rooting hormone, be sure to cover both the bottom and the top cuts. Avoid getting any on the growing tip.



Insert the stem into the cloning medium, you may need to open up the hole in the rockwool or latex plug a bit first.










Use a sterile tool (a chopstick, q-tip stem, etc) to push on the top of the stem to push it inside the cloning medium. The leaf may tilt up as the stem goes inside the medium.

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mike0947

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Has anyone tried this stuff? What is the success rate? Any pictures? I couldn't find any other references saying that cutting trough a node would be a viable solution.

robert 14617 said:
How do I take multiple clones from the whole branch?


Contributed by: MeasureG
Submitted: 05-02-2003

Introduction
Most folks (including me) take only main growing tips as cuttings, but occasions arise when you want to preserve the maximum number of growing tips on the mother plant. Sometimes it is better to remove only one complete branch and make it into multiple clones. Occasionally, while training a plant, you will break off a branch. Here's a way to turn that branch into multiple clones.

Just as an aside, I discovered this technique when my knife slipped, and I cut across a node instead of trimming off the leaf and secondary growing tip at that node. I was surprised when the bottom half rooted faster than the main growing tip.

According to several sources, cuttings taken from below the main growing tip will usually root faster (and in my observation better) due to lower nitrogen levels and higher carbohydrate levels. I also find the stiffer woody stems from lower on a branch easier to deal with than soft green ones near the tip.

The smaller secondary growing tips will take a bit longer to develop into full fledged plants, but they will have a great set of roots to do it with.

Technique
​
Cut off the main growing tip by making a 45 degree cut through the main stem just above a node and prepare it as you normally would.

Cut up the remainder of the branch by making a succession of cuts through the nodes at 45 degree angles. You will end up with a bunch of short stems with a 45 degree cut at the top and the bottom, and a leaf and growing tip near the upper edge of the top cut.





If the cutting is too long to fit entirely inside your cloning medium, trim the bottom end of the cutting.






Holding the cutting by the leaf stem (petiole), scrape away some of the outer layer of the stem tissue to expose some phloem (the white tissue underneath). Dip the whole stem into your cloning gel or rooting hormone, be sure to cover both the bottom and the top cuts. Avoid getting any on the growing tip.



Insert the stem into the cloning medium, you may need to open up the hole in the rockwool or latex plug a bit first.










Use a sterile tool (a chopstick, q-tip stem, etc) to push on the top of the stem to push it inside the cloning medium. The leaf may tilt up as the stem goes inside the medium.

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lime73

lime73

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well i had to do this to a plant that got dropped during transplant, totaled the main stem...so had to take a few cuttings, was in a bit of a panic, but did manage to get a few cuttings from each branch... all rooted fine :) even ones with tops cut off, main cut exposed...it heals

not quite like in the last diagram...i like to have more leaf material for cuttings than that? but sure that it will work! best way to find out... Do it...watch and you will see...
 
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mike0947

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I would assume that you kept at least two nodes per clone. I don’t have a lot of experience but the idea with two half nodes seems a bit unfeasible to me.

lime73 said:
well i had to do this to a plant that got dropped during transplant, totaled the main stem...so had to take a few cuttings, was in a bit of a panic, but did manage to get a few cuttings from each branch... all rooted fine :) even ones with tops cut off, main cut exposed...it heals

not quite like in the last diagram...i like to have more leaf material for cuttings than that? but sure that it will work! best way to find out... Do it...watch and you will see...
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dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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It's okay for a clone to be cut at both ends. ;-)

New growth has the highest concentrations of nitrogen..... nitrogen inhibits rooting. The double-cut clones taken from down low will usually root faster than the growing tips.

While we're at it.... you'll here a lot of bullshit about 45* angles for greater surface area... blah blah blah. I've never seen any plant root from the open wound at the end.... side scaring is the way to go (IMHO :twisted:). People do it because someone told them to do it. Aside from scarifying, I think separating the clones from the mother should be as stress-free as possible.

Make all clean cuts with a fresh razor if you can. I always have worse strike rates when I've used scissors. I once had a 4 day clone in Rapid Rooters when I accidentally spilled Clonex on my razor.... I didn't wipe it off and just made the cut; now I dip the razor into the hormone so that it gets treated as I slice.

Always cut a well hydrated mother plant.

Plant nodes act like human stem cells.
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it called apical meristem. they're originator cells. they are indeterminate, just like stem cells. very cool. on cannibis they form at all nodes as well as the terminal bud at the very top
 
Cannaclysmic Events

Cannaclysmic Events

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UserFriendly said:
It's okay for a clone to be cut at both ends. ;-)

New growth has the highest concentrations of nitrogen..... nitrogen inhibits rooting. The double-cut clones taken from down low will usually root faster than the growing tips.

While we're at it.... you'll here a lot of bullshit about 45* angles for greater surface area... blah blah blah. I've never seen any plant root from the open wound at the end.... side scaring is the way to go (IMHO :twisted:). People do it because someone told them to do it. Aside from scarifying, I think separating the clones from the mother should be as stress-free as possible.

Make all clean cuts with a fresh razor if you can. I always have worse strike rates when I've used scissors. I once had a 4 day clone in Rapid Rooters when I accidentally spilled Clonex on my razor.... I didn't wipe it off and just made the cut; now I dip the razor into the hormone so that it gets treated as I slice.

Always cut a well hydrated mother plant.

Plant nodes act like human stem cells. They form whatever the plant needs, when it needs it (highly specialized). I try to focus rooting efforts here as middle stem cuts don't get it done for me. I've had clones roots faster from exposed nodes (as exposed as it can get under a humidity dome ;-)) than the heavily treated end in the RR.

I take the smallest clones I possibly can..... still planning an aerocloner. :bigjoint:
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I posted about the 45⁰ thing and how I get exceptionally better results cutting straight across with slight cuts that just break the bark above it. I've been beat up less in bar fights lol
 
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