Can't figure out problem?

Discussion in 'Marijuana Plant Problems' started by pass the pipe, Dec 30, 2016.

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    pass the pipe

    pass the pipe Member

    Hi, I'm chasing a current problem and have not had best of luck figuring out the deficiency(s). I'll let the pictures do the talking. All plants shown are in BuildaSoil's soil mix kit. 1:1:1 peat, ewc, and pumice with some rice hulls. (There may be a bit more peat then castings though due to recycling the soil twice now.) Using Clackamama coots nutrient and mineral mix with a pinch of fish bone meal. But right now plants in veg are getting worse and today the tips look black/twisted? Ones in flower are underdeveloped and stretched quite bad. Lights on, 73-78 degrees F, Lights off 62-65 Degrees. Veg - light stays on with around steady 69-72 degrees. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. IMG_0577[1].JPG IMG_0576[1].JPG IMG_0575[1].JPG IMG_0571[1].JPG IMG_0569[1].JPG IMG_0567[1].JPG IMG_0562[1].JPG IMG_0563[1].JPG IMG_0558[1].JPG IMG_0554[1].JPG
     
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    chemphlegm

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    other than being over fed some of those pics look good. cut those dead leaves off, reduce nutrients for now. and say good bye to that overfed abused twisted ugly one.
     
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    pass the pipe

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    I should have have also stated, this is an organic grow, and not using nutrient inputs like bottles or anything. Everything should already be in the soil, other then a few worm tea's and alfalfa/seed sprout tea's I've watered with. I'm just wondering if it's a lockout possibly?
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    Lets isolate. You have some pics and the plants doing okay but two I think that need serious help. Lets talk about those first. What strain? Can you get a better picture?
    Your soil is acidic, I can tell you that by just hearing whats in it. Do you know your pH? Peat needs to be cut with coco in my opinion to drive it up. The ewc wont do that.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    Lets just toss that one actually.
     
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    chemphlegm

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    organic nutrients can burn and overfeed a plant.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

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    Get some lime (calcium carbonate) and mix it in to the top layer (for pH) then top dress a little gypsum for calcium. (checking your pH first would be wise, but I can tell its probably in the 5.9-6) range.The misshaped yellow leaves on that one plant needs it more than others but they will run dry too. Did you toss the other yet? I just don't think it will recover well at this point unless you really need clones from it. Your soil has no juice by the looks. I think you need to feed some fish and kelp regularly as well and ditch the expensive yoohoo drink.. It looks to me like your plants are showing signs of lockout from low pH.

    edit. Just saw the nutes.....what is in it?
     
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    pass the pipe

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    strains - fruity pebbles og and fruit loops og for veg. Flower is a random freebie which is og kush 5k x alien kush f2
    Isn't the ph helped from fluctuation with the oyster shell in the mineral mix and for the acidity of the peat?
    And right now I do not know the soil's ph off hand.
    Yea, I can post a few better shots in a few minutes here.

    I understand that.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    Yes oyster shell is calcium carbonate. You need about a half cup per plant mixed into the top couple inches and a cup of gypsum top dressed. At least this is my take.
    The gypsum wont do anything to your pH but it will give you free calcium when the Sulfur breaks away and attaches to any Magnesium to make Magnesium sulfate (gypsum salt). Ideal pH with Cannabis is 6.3-6.4 in soil.
     
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    pass the pipe

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    IMG_0578.JPG IMG_0579.JPG IMG_0580.JPG IMG_0582.JPG IMG_0586.JPG IMG_0587.JPG IMG_0588.JPG IMG_0589.JPG IMG_0590.JPG IMG_0591.JPG Alright, since I can't get gypsum or oyster shell flour by itself at the moment, could I use their mineral kit I have on hand and get by with that for the moment? BAS mineral kit 2:1:1 Basalt rock dust, Gypsum Dust, Oyster Shell Flour

    Nute kit:
    Crustacean meal, kelp meal, neem cake


    I'm willing to go the mile, I want to save them if at all possible and I don't mind a regular barrage of fish and kelp tea's to keep them happy.
     
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    pass the pipe

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    IMG_0592.JPG IMG_0593.JPG IMG_0598.JPG IMG_0600.JPG Couldn't fit the other four sorry, for double post
     
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    NaturalFarmer

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    They look okay, minus that one. That one has multiple issue and its up to you. It needs a replant though if you want to keep it. I assume the reveg leaves are due to stress? or did these start to go into flower?
    The minerals will work fine, just mix some in and leave some on top and water over it to get the effect from the gypsum. The crab meal(more calcium carbonate) would be better in your mix but add that with the minerals when you mix it in. Kelp meal can be mixed in water....foliar with it now in flower, but you need a lot of calcium in order to drive the K foliar, so get that mineral mix on them as well.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    Buy a small bottle of neptune fish hydrolysate.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

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    Do you have epsom salt? You are going to need a little of that as well. 100% of Mag can be fed through the leaves with a diluted foliar and is easiar for the plant to uptake than in the soil..
     
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    NaturalFarmer

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    I prefer my fish in the soil even in veg, I don't like to foliar with it for some reason. I use a small drop of mollasses every week in water to feed the microbes. Kelp as a foliar
     
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    NaturalFarmer

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    Try to warm them up if you can as well. Even a seedling mat would help
     
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    NaturalFarmer

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    pass the pipe

    pass the pipe Member

    Alright, just so I understand everything correct, I add some mineral mix to help balance the ph better/more (for the fruity loops, it's the worst looking one that's flowering - yellow and brown spots.)

    The fruity pebbles you see revegging three fingered leaves has done that for about a month and a half now due to cold weather (tent was in a garage for awhile and it got cold around 35 degrees and stayed that way) and I flowered it out for 2-3 weeks to see if it was female, it's a regular seed. I moved the tent and everything inside about two weeks ago and started seeing improvement but then deficiencies started showing up in all plants.

    An the og kush 5k, what shall I do with that? It's also in the same soil and it's suffering possibly the same but not sure, it's supposed to be at least 4-5 weeks in?

    They're all in the same soil mix, in flower is fruitloops and og kush 5k. Veg is fruity pebble all three (reveg looking one, small one in corner, and one next to the clone in the picture)

    By the way thank you for the help along the way
     
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    pass the pipe

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    Forgot to mention, I've applied a kelp meal tea drench on a few of em a couple days ago. How long would it take to see an improvement over say foliar as I know it will take longer?

    And also the Nute kit is mixed all together no way to seperate the three ingredients, same goes with the mineral kit. As to why I asked if I could get by with those alone and maybe what I have on hand which I'll list below

    Random amendments/supplements

    Alfalfa meal
    Molasses
    Fish Bonemeal
    Comfrey Leaves
    Barley Seeds
    aloe vera powder
    coconut water
    a few handfuls of worm castings left
     
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    pass the pipe

    pass the pipe Member

    Yes I also do have a thing of epsom salts
     

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