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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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If our foreign policy was noninterventionist this kid would be home. One thing that is undeniable is the United Sates is the world police, THAT is wrong. The war in Afghanistan is not about national defense, it is about global domination. Afghanistan is one of the poorest nations in the world, yet we are there "defending our country" from them? Cmon. It's another Viet Nam. Bush ? Obama ? Both support this war, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
what... huh?

what... huh?

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It is called war fatigue, and it is usually reserved for those fighting... but you have it.

When the troops want to come home, I want them to. When they say "let me do my job." I do. I do not herald their cause until they ask for it. I sure as hell wouldn't want them fighting our fight unless we asked for it.

FFS... don't MAKE it another Vietnam, and it wont be. Give them the opportunity to succeed.
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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the thing that bothers me is the media only shows the parts that would make Americans mad, not the part where he says we don't want to be here. we basically know they didn't attack us, 911 was our government. so why are we there? i think we need to get out of the war business all together unless it is justified, which with what people like Alex Jones show us its really just the same group of people that plan the wars every time one happens. soon we will go to war with iran and before we do i want Americans to stop and think wtf y should we get in there kool-aid lets fix out shit then merely use diplomacy to perhaps influence irans decisions.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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what... huh? said:
It is called war fatigue, and it is usually reserved for those fighting... but you have it.

When the troops want to come home, I want them to. When they say "let me do my job." I do. I do not herald their cause until they ask for it. I sure as hell wouldn't want them fighting our fight unless we asked for it.

FFS... don't MAKE it another Vietnam, and it wont be. Give them the opportunity to succeed.
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I dont mean another Viet Nam tactically. I mean politically. We don't belong there. People resent foreign intervention. I would resist foreign troops here, wouldn't you?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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We absolutely need to get out of the war business. It is so sickening to think of our men and women over there being killed. Not to mention all the people that want nothing to do with it dying as a result.

$667,250,556,521
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The cost to our economy due to the war in Iraq.

If we need to get a country on our side, we should use that money to pay for schools and hospitals and never had a drop of blood. While getting a country fully on our side.

http://costofwar.com/
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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jesus christ hanimmal! good site, thanks for showing us. i have a theory, that is 99.9% of ppl in the world are happy without war, and the .1% are in it for some sort of prophet of cos it will benefit them and their cause. i think we can also agree that 9 out of 10 times a war could have been avoided by talking about shit.

this guy is proof that we dont want to be over there and our govt is war crazy. and the fact that the media ignored that message shows that the powers at be want to use this man to make the American people support the war and want to fight.

i really hope we dont go to war with iran but i think the powers that be have already decided this.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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hanimmal said:
We absolutely need to get out of the war business. It is so sickening to think of our men and women over there being killed. Not to mention all the people that want nothing to do with it dying as a result.

The cost to our economy due to the war in Iraq.

If we need to get a country on our side, we should use that money to pay for schools and hospitals and never had a drop of blood. While getting a country fully on our side.

http://costofwar.com/
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Actually that's not necessarily true.

1. War requires munitions, munitions are manufactured, implying jobs.
2. Some of these people used military enrollment to escape prison sentences (very few cases, I know)
3. Some of these people would have been unemployed

Now, while munitions do not benefit the economy, and represent mal-investment, that does not mean that they are a waste, because the firms that manufacture them pay their employees who then spend that money on other goods and services.

For the average person that uses the military to escape a prison sentence the savings are on the order of $16,000 a year.

Unemployment would result in government having to pay these people unemployment benefits. Or if they had gotten a job and then lost it, they would have had to have been paid benefits.

Besides, the cost of the war is already taken out of the economy in taxes.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Actually that's not necessarily true.

1. War requires munitions, munitions are manufactured, implying jobs.
2. Some of these people used military enrollment to escape prison sentences (very few cases, I know)
3. Some of these people would have been unemployed

Now, while munitions do not benefit the economy, and represent mal-investment, that does not mean that they are a waste, because the firms that manufacture them pay their employees who then spend that money on other goods and services.

For the average person that uses the military to escape a prison sentence the savings are on the order of $16,000 a year.

Unemployment would result in government having to pay these people unemployment benefits. Or if they had gotten a job and then lost it, they would have had to have been paid benefits.

Besides, the cost of the war is already taken out of the economy in taxes.
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Not all war "costs" can be measured in dollars. What price human life and suffering?
 
IndieGrower

IndieGrower

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Actually that's not necessarily true.

1. War requires munitions, munitions are manufactured, implying jobs.
2. Some of these people used military enrollment to escape prison sentences (very few cases, I know)
3. Some of these people would have been unemployed

Now, while munitions do not benefit the economy, and represent mal-investment, that does not mean that they are a waste, because the firms that manufacture them pay their employees who then spend that money on other goods and services.

For the average person that uses the military to escape a prison sentence the savings are on the order of $16,000 a year.

Unemployment would result in government having to pay these people unemployment benefits. Or if they had gotten a job and then lost it, they would have had to have been paid benefits.

Besides, the cost of the war is already taken out of the economy in taxes.
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I was in the military and out of all the people I know not a one raised their hand in order to get out of a prison sentence. In fact if you have a felony depending on what it is, you probably will not even get into the military. The economy is too bad, alot of people cant find jobs and turn to the military for work. There is alot of competition there has been a huge raise in standards in recent years. This isn't the 60's they havent done a military or prison ultimatum for years now.
 
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Hemlock

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Rob Roy said:
If our foreign policy was noninterventionist this kid would be home. One thing that is undeniable is the United Sates is the world police, THAT is wrong. The war in Afghanistan is not about national defense, it is about global domination. Afghanistan is one of the poorest nations in the world, yet we are there "defending our country" from them? Cmon. It's another Viet Nam. Bush ? Obama ? Both support this war, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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AHHH It might be because someone flew a plan into a Building in NY...THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, and the PENTAGON..3200 Americans DEAD...WE WERE ATTACKED..Man Wake up..If we were noninterventional we would be speaking Japaneese right now..
 
fried at 420

fried at 420

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cmon were americans why can we just send our best to find him snipe all of the bastards and get this kid out of there
 
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ten feet!

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Obama needs to figure out how to end Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan asap. It is like another Vietnam over there with guerrilla warfare and people dying over nothing. Also, the military's funding needs to be cut big time, the waste is out of control...:spew: Way too many people have been getting rich off of Bush's wars, its got to stop.
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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Hemlock said:
AHHH It might be because someone flew a plan into a Building in NY...THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, and the PENTAGON..3200 Americans DEAD...WE WERE ATTACKED..Man Wake up..If we were noninterventional we would be speaking Japaneese right now..
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hemlock, im gonna respectively ask if you have considered that 911 was an inside job?

btw have you heard of hemlock lake?
 
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Hemlock

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Bush's War..... well best I remember we all wanted blood after 9/11 How quickly we forget..ALL members of congress and the Senate vote to go to war after 9/11 Rep's and Dem's
I'm not sayin I agree with the way its worked out, But sometime you have to engage evil in order to do good. And Obama seems to understand that,,,so far...
 
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Hemlock

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Dolce Vita said:
hemlock, im gonna respectively ask if you have considered that 911 was an inside job?

btw have you heard of hemlock lake?[/QUO


With all due respect, having served in the USMC in a Special Operation unit, I cannot believe it was an inside job...I feel it would have unwound before it got off the ground,,, if it was an inside Job...Hard to keep that broad of a secret and involve that many people..People in Govt Love to tell what they know...

Sorry I have not heard of hemlock lake. I'll google earth it..
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Hemlock said:
AHHH It might be because someone flew a plan into a Building in NY...THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, and the PENTAGON..3200 Americans DEAD...WE WERE ATTACKED..Man Wake up..If we were noninterventional we would be speaking Japaneese right now..
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None of the people that "flew" those planes were Afghani. None were Iraqi either. Do they all look alike to you?

Please explain why the United States has over 700 bases in foreign countries. Speaking of Japanese, why do we still occupy that country? WWII ended over 60 years ago. How do you feel about paying to uh "protect" Japan?

I don't believe you realize what a non interventionist foreign policy actually is. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and John Q. Adams were non interventionists, perhaps you've heard of them? It doesn't mean you don't defend your country, it means you don't go off on wild goose chases fucking with other countries. WE HAVE 700 BASES ON FOREIGN SOIL...YOU should wake up.

Oh and by the way were we ever attacked by Viet Nam? Can you say Gulf of Tonkin? We've got a long history of fucking with the world...the world doesn't like it.

Remember a guy by the name of Eisenhower, former WWII General, President etc. He warned of the military industrial complex. Do you think he knew what he was talking about? Warning us not to be the World police.
Course he wouldn't know shit about that right?

Now, before you go humming country songs about kicking ass, and accuse me of being a wimp maybe you should give a geography lesson to your Neocon buddies and show them where Saudi Arabia is, that's where 15 of the attackers were from.

I'm all for defending our country, but to kill innocent people under the pretext of bringing them freedom is horse shit.

I got a kid in the marines if he dies in some stupid ass war for oil I ain't going to be happy, especially knowing it could
have been prevented. The United States was not attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq, Those countries were attacked by the United States. No false flag b.s. will change that.
 
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ten feet!

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Hemlock said:
Bush's War..... well best I remember we all wanted blood after 9/11 How quickly we forget..ALL members of congress and the Senate vote to go to war after 9/11 Rep's and Dem's
I'm not sayin I agree with the way its worked out, But sometime you have to engage evil in order to do good. And Obama seems to understand that,,,so far...
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Not everyone fell in line behind Bush and wanted to go to war after 9/11. Obama didn't ever vote for the war in Iraq. A lot of people saw through the Bush administrations smoke and mirrors from the start.
 
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ilkhan

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9/11 was a CRIMINAL act.
Whoever pulled it off.
Criminal acts don't justify war.

Sure alot of people wanted blood after the attacks.
Whose blood though?
The people in Iraq?
The People in Afganistan?
Didn't matter really,
just give them blood!
We showed them huh.
No Osama still.

Humans are such simple creatures.
Put on a good show for them.
They will jump through your hoops like poodles.

BTW Japan taking over the US thats a lauph.
We would have blasted them out of the country in weeks.
Every blade of grass would have hid a shotgun or deer rifle.
I still fail to see Japans Logic with Pearl Harbor.
I would have just attacked Indonesia/Holland for their oil. (We had an oil embargo on them)
The Japaness would never have been able to support a major presence in the states.
IMO

People Jump off the handle when you say 'Non-interventionalist'
Non-interventionalist does not mean isolationist.
It also doesn't mean stupid.
If Germany starts trying to take over the world.... Again. (They have priores)
We will still jump in, what we Non-interventionalists are saying is:
We don't need to bomb every country who rattles a saber or declare war.
Mind our own buisness and set a good example for how nations can live together.
 
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Hemlock

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Now, before you go humming country songs about kicking ass, and accuse me of being a wimp maybe you should give a geography lesson to your Neocon buddies and show them where Saudi Arabia is, that's where 15 of the attackers were from.

I'm all for defending our country, but to kill innocent people under the pretext of bringing them freedom is horse shit.

(you have never been there so how would you know? You have never spoke to any of those people? Just because you take freedom for granted doesn't mean they do)

I got a kid in the marines if he dies in some stupid ass war for oil I ain't going to be happy, especially knowing it could
have been prevented. The United States was not attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq, Those countries were attacked by the United States. No false flag b.s. will change that.

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Sorry you felt the need to attack me..I know where Saudi and Iraq is I severed there during wartime. So through your way of thinking we should defend our shore only...

the 15 attackers were from sauidi yes but they trained in Iraq and afgan. Also why do you think your so smart an I'm so dumb? DID U SERVE?

God Bless your son, May God keep him safe. Please let him know that I for One really appricate his service
 
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