"Carbon dioxide global Climate change" is a hoax and fraud

tampee

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that's cuter than your tiny penis.
You can actually try to come up with an actual argument. Truth is nobody knows for sure about anything super computers give various outputs these scientists are not Einstein or even Darwin.

Both sides have something to gain a carbon tax raises the price of everything and money to the worlds government's. why not fly around the world in your private jet collecting money up the ass in donations like Leonardo DiCaprio?
 

JaJaJaJa

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Anthropogenic Climate Change will either go down as one of the greatest hoaxes in history or the downfall of our civilization. We've been completely incompetent at stopping it, and now it's almost futile trying. Might as well hope the deniers are right and enjoy the ride.
 

tampee

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Uh, no. Both the North Pole maximum and the Antarctic minimum are officially at record lows, recorded just this month.

Scientific American, a week known basin if fake news;
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/arctic-sea-ice-sets-record-low-peak-for-third-year/

Definitely stupid.

Still curious about how much you're getting paid.

Your family will suffer too.
Exactly how badly would we suffer? Florida goes under water as does Manhattan and a lot of other places. Life will evolve humans will evolve so we worst case we chill in basements during the high heat of the day.

What's going to happen? Dinosaurs and plants have thrived in a warmer earth probably even hemp really we can use hemp to breed a stronger faster but high THC producing strain. Nature does the same.

I'm much more worried about Monsanto and the depopulation of the honey bee. One thing the government is not talking about.... The death of the honey bee will cause widespread famine and death we can survive global warming as can the honey bee they just can't survive the insecticide producing GMO plants.
 

tampee

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Anthropogenic Climate Change will either go down as one of the greatest hoaxes in history or the downfall of our civilization. We've been completely incompetent at stopping it, and now it's almost futile trying. Might as well hope the deniers are right and enjoy the ride.
They don't even have a plan to stop it just a tax. China is worse than America even India is they have no plans to stop. The TPP would have created more carbon and these are the same people calling for a carbon tax.

They are all deniers some just want you to pay more while you don't make any more money just pay the government more.
 

UncleBuck

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You can actually try to come up with an actual argument.
your bipshitted buddy is plagiarizing from creatonism websites. not exactly much of an argument to start with, so i will mock it.

just like the only woman you ever came close to scoring with laughed at your tiny penis, then you decided it was alll a jewish conspiracy and decided to be a racist jew-hating snitch.
 

tangerinegreen555

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They don't even have a plan to stop it just a tax. China is worse than America even India is they have no plans to stop. The TPP would have created more carbon and these are the same people calling for a carbon tax.

They are all deniers some just want you to pay more while you don't make any more money just pay the government more.
Yeah
It's really horrible here.

You should move your black, native American, North Korean Jew, Swedish, Norwegian race changing ass to Belize.

Medical insurance is just a couple chickens a month, but only when you're sick.
 

zeddd

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I love how he uses Mars as an example of the failure of CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

Pay no attention to the fact that the Red Planet gets less than 1/4 of the solar heating as our Earth!

Also, be sure to ignore millions of scientific observations of the current climate actually warming worldwide.
Nah the problem with his argument is the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere is minimal on mars cf earth, i.e. junk science
 

whitebb2727

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Pollution is bad indeed but the question remains is carbon the cause of Global warming? Also how bad would global warming be? The dinosaurs thrived in a warmer earth as did forests and all.

Whether global warming is real or not doesn't matter too much life will go on and evolve.
That's not an excuse or reason to not try to do less damage.:wall:
 
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ttystikk

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The annual global co2 emissions from human source (burning of fossil fuels, coal, land use changes, industry processes) is roughly 40 billion tonnes.
compare that to the natural annual co2 emissions =
Ocean - atmosphere exchange 330 billion tonnes
Plant and animal respiration - 220 billion tonnes
Soil respiration and decomposition - 220 billion tonnes
the total of Natural annual co2 emissions is approximately 800 billion tonnes (including volcanic emissions)
So how does the 40 billion tonnes emitted by human source correlate to "global warming" RETARD????
Source?
If the numbers are true, how do they account for a near doubling of atmospheric CO2 in the past 150 years of the modern industrial age?

I'm short, your sources are LYING TO YOU, and suckering you into LYING TO US. Fortunately we've seen it before and we aren't fooled by the gullible and aggressive.
 

UncleBuck

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Source?
If the numbers are true, how do they account for a near doubling of atmospheric CO2 in the past 150 years of the modern industrial age?

I'm short, your sources are LYING TO YOU, and suckering you into LYING TO US. Fortunately we've seen it before and we aren't fooled by the gullible and aggressive.
i've already pointed out that he is citing an "intelligent design" blog.

they started calling it 'intelligent design' after creationism got laughed out of every science debate on earth.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
i've already pointed out that he is citing an "intelligent design" blog.

they started calling it 'intelligent design' after creationism got laughed out of every science debate on earth.
It's creationism, all right.

They create some bullshit and then profess to get indignant when we don't swallow it.
 

gotkush?

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For the past 10 years, carbon dioxide (CO2) has gotten a bad rap. Despite the fact that 95 percent of the CO2 emitted each year is produced by nature (see Figure I), environmentalists started referring to CO2 as a pollutant in 1988 after some scientists claimed that the 30 percent rise in atmospheric CO2 over the last 150 years was attributable to humans and was causing global warming. In response, Vice President Al Gore in his 1992 book Earth in the Balance called for "carbon taxes," stating that "filling the atmosphere with carbon dioxide and other pollutants . . . is a willful expansion of our dysfunctional civilization into vulnerable parts of the natural world." The evidence shows neither that a modest warming will threaten human life through environmental catastrophe nor that the recent rise in CO2 levels is responsible for the measured rise in global temperature.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is tasteless, colorless, nontoxic to humans at concentrations up to 13 times present levels and is essential to life. Plants breathe CO2, and as they grow and reproduce they exhale oxygen, making the earth habitable for humans. Instead of a disaster, the expected doubling of CO2 due to human activities will produce a number of benefits over the next century.

The Role of CO2. CO2 is a "greenhouse gas," one of several that partially trap solar radiation in the atmosphere. Without these gases the earth would be uninhabitable - at least by humans. CO2 occurs naturally and accounts for 2 to 4 percent of the greenhouse effect (water vapor is responsible for virtually all of the rest). Most of this CO2 is used by or stored in oceans, plants and animals. However, over the past 150 years atmospheric CO2 concentrations have increased approximately 30 percent, rising from 280 to 360 parts per million (ppm).

CO2 and Global Warming. Ground-level temperature measurements indicate that the earth has warmed about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1850, but human-generated carbon dioxide could have been only a small factor because most of the warming occurred before 1940 - preceding the vast majority of human-caused CO2 emissions. Historically, increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations have often followed rather than preceded warm periods.

Plants Need CO2. Most of the earth's plant life evolved in an atmosphere of much more concentrated CO2. Indeed, some scientists have argued that, until quite recently, many plants were starving for CO2.

CO2 is essential to photosynthesis, the process by which plants use sunlight to produce carbohydrates - the material of which their roots and body consist. Increasing CO2 levels speeds the time in which plants mature and improves their growth efficiency and water use. Botanists have long realized that CO2 enhances plant growth, which is why they pump CO2 into greenhouses.

In addition, higher CO2 levels decrease water loss in plants, giving them an advantage in arid climates and during droughts. In 55 experiments conducted by U. S. Department of Agriculture research scientist Sherwood Idso, increased levels of CO2 dramatically enhanced plant growth. For example, Idso found:

  • With a CO2 increase of 300 ppm, plant growth increased 31 percent under optimal water conditions and 63 percent when water was less plentiful.
  • With a 600 ppm CO2 increase, plant growth increased 51 percent under optimal water conditions and an astonishing 219 percent under conditions of water shortage (see Figure II).
Also, CO2 enrichment causes plants to develop more extensive root systems with two important results. Larger root systems allow plants to exploit additional pockets of water and nutrients. This means that plants have to spend less metabolic energy to capture vital nutrients. Additionally, more extensive, active roots stimulate and enhance the activity of bacteria and other organisms that break nutrients out of the soil, which the plants can then exploit.

Farmers Need CO2. Based on nearly 800 scientific observations around the world, a doubling of CO2 from present levels would improve plant productivity on average 32 percent across species. Controlled experiments have shown that:

  • Tomatoes, cucumbers and lettuce average between 20 and 50 percent higher yields under elevated CO2 conditions.
  • Cereal grains including rice, wheat, barley, oats and rye average between 25 and 64 percent higher yields under elevated CO2 levels.
  • Food crops such as corn, sorghum, millet and sugar cane average yield increases from 10 to 55 percent at elevated CO2 levels.
  • Root crops including potatoes, yams and cassava show average yield increases of 18 to 75 percent under elevated CO2 conditions.
  • Legumes including peas, beans and soybeans post increased yields of between 28 and 46 percent when CO2 levels are increased.
Trees Need CO2. International research has demonstrated that trees also benefit from increased CO2 levels. In research from the U.S. Water Conservation Laboratory, doubling CO2 from current levels helped orange trees accumulate 2.8 times as much biomass in the first five years of the tests and yield 10 times as many oranges in the first two years of orange production. Other U.S. studies confirm these findings. For example:

  • Since 1890, high-altitude conifers in the Cascade Mountains of Washington have increased in mass approximately 60 percent from previous growth trends.
  • In New England, a study of 10 tree species showed an average growth enhancement of 24 percent from 1950 to 1980, a period when CO2 levels were rising.
European studies have also demonstrated that elevated CO2 levels benefit tree growth. For example:

  • Stands of Scotch pine in northern Finland have experienced growth increases of 15 to 43 percent since 1950.
  • Forest growth rates in Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany, have increased 20 percent in the past 20 years.
Scientists have discovered no environmental factor other than the CO2 increase that could explain the higher growth rates found in forests around the world.

Ecosystems Need CO2. The earth's ecosystems should benefit from higher levels of CO2. Increased crop yields mean that humans will not have to convert more fragile forests, savannas and deserts into crop lands to feed growing populations. Wildlife will get a respite from the development of their habitats. As forests increase, many currently fragmented ecosystems will regenerate - as many already have in Europe and the eastern United States. Since trees will put on more mass under higher CO2 conditions, fewer trees will have to be cut to supply humanity's demand for timber.

Finally, many scientists contend that outside of human society the availability of food is a primary inhibitor of population growth. Therefore, as plants increase in size and number, so should animals - more herbivores due to increased edible vegetation and more omnivores and carnivores due to increased herbivore populations.

Conclusion. According to government mine safety regulations, atmospheric CO2 would have to rise as high as 5000 ppm before it posed a direct threat to human health. Since no scientist predicts a rise of this magnitude in the next century, the anticipated rise in CO2 levels should be viewed as beneficial. Even if temperatures increase slightly, life on earth will thrive.

This Brief Analysis was prepared by NCPA environmental analyst H. Sterling Burnett and NCPA vice president of domestic policy Merrill Matthews, Jr.









- See more at: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba256#sthash.3sshdOgT.dpuf
 

srh88

Well-Known Member
For the past 10 years, carbon dioxide (CO2) has gotten a bad rap. Despite the fact that 95 percent of the CO2 emitted each year is produced by nature (see Figure I), environmentalists started referring to CO2 as a pollutant in 1988 after some scientists claimed that the 30 percent rise in atmospheric CO2 over the last 150 years was attributable to humans and was causing global warming. In response, Vice President Al Gore in his 1992 book Earth in the Balance called for "carbon taxes," stating that "filling the atmosphere with carbon dioxide and other pollutants . . . is a willful expansion of our dysfunctional civilization into vulnerable parts of the natural world." The evidence shows neither that a modest warming will threaten human life through environmental catastrophe nor that the recent rise in CO2 levels is responsible for the measured rise in global temperature.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is tasteless, colorless, nontoxic to humans at concentrations up to 13 times present levels and is essential to life. Plants breathe CO2, and as they grow and reproduce they exhale oxygen, making the earth habitable for humans. Instead of a disaster, the expected doubling of CO2 due to human activities will produce a number of benefits over the next century.

The Role of CO2. CO2 is a "greenhouse gas," one of several that partially trap solar radiation in the atmosphere. Without these gases the earth would be uninhabitable - at least by humans. CO2 occurs naturally and accounts for 2 to 4 percent of the greenhouse effect (water vapor is responsible for virtually all of the rest). Most of this CO2 is used by or stored in oceans, plants and animals. However, over the past 150 years atmospheric CO2 concentrations have increased approximately 30 percent, rising from 280 to 360 parts per million (ppm).

CO2 and Global Warming. Ground-level temperature measurements indicate that the earth has warmed about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1850, but human-generated carbon dioxide could have been only a small factor because most of the warming occurred before 1940 - preceding the vast majority of human-caused CO2 emissions. Historically, increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations have often followed rather than preceded warm periods.

Plants Need CO2. Most of the earth's plant life evolved in an atmosphere of much more concentrated CO2. Indeed, some scientists have argued that, until quite recently, many plants were starving for CO2.

CO2 is essential to photosynthesis, the process by which plants use sunlight to produce carbohydrates - the material of which their roots and body consist. Increasing CO2 levels speeds the time in which plants mature and improves their growth efficiency and water use. Botanists have long realized that CO2 enhances plant growth, which is why they pump CO2 into greenhouses.

In addition, higher CO2 levels decrease water loss in plants, giving them an advantage in arid climates and during droughts. In 55 experiments conducted by U. S. Department of Agriculture research scientist Sherwood Idso, increased levels of CO2 dramatically enhanced plant growth. For example, Idso found:

  • With a CO2 increase of 300 ppm, plant growth increased 31 percent under optimal water conditions and 63 percent when water was less plentiful.
  • With a 600 ppm CO2 increase, plant growth increased 51 percent under optimal water conditions and an astonishing 219 percent under conditions of water shortage (see Figure II).
Also, CO2 enrichment causes plants to develop more extensive root systems with two important results. Larger root systems allow plants to exploit additional pockets of water and nutrients. This means that plants have to spend less metabolic energy to capture vital nutrients. Additionally, more extensive, active roots stimulate and enhance the activity of bacteria and other organisms that break nutrients out of the soil, which the plants can then exploit.

Farmers Need CO2. Based on nearly 800 scientific observations around the world, a doubling of CO2 from present levels would improve plant productivity on average 32 percent across species. Controlled experiments have shown that:

  • Tomatoes, cucumbers and lettuce average between 20 and 50 percent higher yields under elevated CO2 conditions.
  • Cereal grains including rice, wheat, barley, oats and rye average between 25 and 64 percent higher yields under elevated CO2 levels.
  • Food crops such as corn, sorghum, millet and sugar cane average yield increases from 10 to 55 percent at elevated CO2 levels.
  • Root crops including potatoes, yams and cassava show average yield increases of 18 to 75 percent under elevated CO2 conditions.
  • Legumes including peas, beans and soybeans post increased yields of between 28 and 46 percent when CO2 levels are increased.
Trees Need CO2. International research has demonstrated that trees also benefit from increased CO2 levels. In research from the U.S. Water Conservation Laboratory, doubling CO2 from current levels helped orange trees accumulate 2.8 times as much biomass in the first five years of the tests and yield 10 times as many oranges in the first two years of orange production. Other U.S. studies confirm these findings. For example:

  • Since 1890, high-altitude conifers in the Cascade Mountains of Washington have increased in mass approximately 60 percent from previous growth trends.
  • In New England, a study of 10 tree species showed an average growth enhancement of 24 percent from 1950 to 1980, a period when CO2 levels were rising.
European studies have also demonstrated that elevated CO2 levels benefit tree growth. For example:

  • Stands of Scotch pine in northern Finland have experienced growth increases of 15 to 43 percent since 1950.
  • Forest growth rates in Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany, have increased 20 percent in the past 20 years.
Scientists have discovered no environmental factor other than the CO2 increase that could explain the higher growth rates found in forests around the world.

Ecosystems Need CO2. The earth's ecosystems should benefit from higher levels of CO2. Increased crop yields mean that humans will not have to convert more fragile forests, savannas and deserts into crop lands to feed growing populations. Wildlife will get a respite from the development of their habitats. As forests increase, many currently fragmented ecosystems will regenerate - as many already have in Europe and the eastern United States. Since trees will put on more mass under higher CO2 conditions, fewer trees will have to be cut to supply humanity's demand for timber.

Finally, many scientists contend that outside of human society the availability of food is a primary inhibitor of population growth. Therefore, as plants increase in size and number, so should animals - more herbivores due to increased edible vegetation and more omnivores and carnivores due to increased herbivore populations.

Conclusion. According to government mine safety regulations, atmospheric CO2 would have to rise as high as 5000 ppm before it posed a direct threat to human health. Since no scientist predicts a rise of this magnitude in the next century, the anticipated rise in CO2 levels should be viewed as beneficial. Even if temperatures increase slightly, life on earth will thrive.

This Brief Analysis was prepared by NCPA environmental analyst H. Sterling Burnett and NCPA vice president of domestic policy Merrill Matthews, Jr.









- See more at: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba256#sthash.3sshdOgT.dpuf
are you the new finshaggy? just copying and pasting random shit but not explaining your side at all...
anyone that can truly form a fucking thought in their head would disagree with you.
 

gotkush?

Well-Known Member
I have good reason to believe that most of you on this thread are government sponsored trolls/troll. Hired to monitor these forums in order to divert conversations away from the truth on specific issues, truth which when exposed would threaten your master's status quo.

So you wish to clog this thread with insults, without any argument against the facts in the hope that you will dissuade these simple truths in order to manipulate acceptance of your master's agendas (agenda 21, agenda 2030)

The majority are not as ignorant as you might think.. to accept the lie that co2 (which is essential to life) could somehow become a pollutant that needs to be taxed and reduced. so good luck with that!

Only reason that I started this thread is because I ran across your other thread titled "Ughh, more climate deniers" in which you stated that anyone who denies co2 as a pollutant and as the cause of "global warming" (or are you now just calling it "climate change"?) should be killed. At that point I realized that you, along with a few other accounts are acting on behalf of "big bro". So I figured I would set a trap here in this thread for you and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.
 
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