Caregivers Lose Privacy Rights if Bill 1043 Passes

Fire One Up said:

I paid 90 bucks to the state and 100 to the doc to get my card. Seems totally worth being able to drive around with my pipe and bag in my pocket and not worrying about it.
If you get your card you can talk someone into growing for you for free weed, also worth the 200 bucks.
The only people who don't need a card are the ones who want to make illegal money of medical marijuana. For everybody else it makes sense to stay legal and keep smoking.
Get jobs ya hippies
If you're going to be a caregiver you're always going to be pissed that dispensary's and drug dealers are making money and you aren't. Do it to help people and stay non profit like you're supposed to be and its all gravy.
I take care of the plants and get to smoke for free, my patients help with my electric bill and the cost of my neuts and get to smoke for almost nothing (this month, they smoke for 35 bucks each) lmao
I'm just happy I can enjoy the herb that's caregiving. You want to be big business, get a permit

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So you think a caregiver that makes money is a drug dealer but a dispensary that makes money doing the same thing are stand up guys, lol, where do you people come from? Do you also think a lady that bakes and decorates wedding cakes at home is a criminal because she doesnt work in the King Soopers bakery? Maybe you also thought Michael Dell was a criminal because he actually charged for the computers he sold out of his garage before he started Dell. Its amazing the amount of people that are clueless when it comes to how free markets and competition is supposed to work. Here's a clue for you, 1284 violates The United States antitrust law, which is the body of laws that prohibits anti-competitive behavior (monopoly) and unfair business practices.

And if you think you've got nothing to worry about driving around with weed and a pipe in your pocket you have either been misled or are extremely naive (my guess is the latter). Unless your pipe is brand new with NO resin whatsoever you are looking at a trip to the nearest hospital for a blood test if you're ever pulled over, especially if you have a license. Cops hate licenses and will find any way to bypass them.

ahhhhhh ....you guys are dashing my dreams !! I've been having daydreams about renting my house out and moving to a MMJ state . A career in production ... ah just a pipedream anyway i guess .....sighhh.....(long pause) ...............sighhhhhhh

Jeffdt1966 said:

ahhhhhh ....you guys are dashing my dreams !! I've been having daydreams about renting my house out and moving to a MMJ state . A career in production ... ah just a pipedream anyway i guess .....sighhh.....(long pause) ...............sighhhhhhh

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sell that puppy and open up a dispensary

yes there is a risk posting anything on the net that may be lucrative. its a forum to express opinions and ideas and i appreciate everyones. personaly i think there did need to be regulation for dispensorys. there are so many non compliant shops in colorado. i do believe in paying taxes as well on the product. most people want privacy. i know i dont want to be on a camera the second i walk into a dispensory. i also dont want my grow facility a matter of public record. again large dispensorys can afford a secure facility to keep the thugs out. i am not going to spend obsene amounts of money to completely secure my grow. again for me its all about minimal exposure and privacy to reduce the amount of risk. fou do you realy think your grow is secure enough to keep a gang out ? remember your grow is going to be a matter of public record now....

711grower said:

yes there is a risk posting anything on the net that may be lucrative. its a forum to express opinions and ideas and i appreciate everyones. personaly i think there did need to be regulation for dispensorys. there are so many non compliant shops in colorado. i do believe in paying taxes as well on the product. most people want privacy. i know i dont want to be on a camera the second i walk into a dispensory. i also dont want my grow facility a matter of public record. again large dispensorys can afford a secure facility to keep the thugs out. i am not going to spend obsene amounts of money to completely secure my grow. again for me its all about minimal exposure and privacy to reduce the amount of risk. fou do you realy think your grow is secure enough to keep a gang out ? remember your grow is going to be a matter of public record now....

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Security is something I've wrestled with for quite some time. I went and got a pitbull and security cameras, and ubolted steel fencing along the studs in my grow shed when I was younger, then ninja grew for quite a while without any security in my house and just didn't tell anybody.
I still screwed up tho, and told my girlfriend. That was how I got raided
a felony later I moved back to colorado and got my license, and hit the tail end of the goldrush when you could still sell to dispensaries.
I don't let my dog on the grow op yard anymore because I don't want some asshole fed to shoot him, or get an assault charge if he does his job and bites a cop. Now I'm left with steel sheets on the windows and bars, a reinforced door, and the same camera system I bought when I was 18.
I bought my place specifically with security in mind, but I've been doing this for a long long time, and one of the best parts about 1043 for me is that it specifically limits the ban on felons with a drug related charge to 5 years, so hopefully soon I'll be able to go commercial since I got popped for growing 7 years ago.
No matter what you get for security, a guy with a knife in your back trumps it.
I understand your issue with it, believe me, but if I were you I'd relocate somewhere a little less hectic

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and seriously, if this shit goes active and 6 months from now the news is full of people getting federally prosecuted by way of the list or a crime wave developes from the easy access of this kind of information, I'll chop em all down and sell my building lmao

Fire One Up said:

Security is something I've wrestled with for quite some time. I went and got a pitbull and security cameras, and ubolted steel fencing along the studs in my grow shed when I was younger, then ninja grew for quite a while without any security in my house and just didn't tell anybody.
I still screwed up tho, and told my girlfriend. That was how I got raided
a felony later I moved back to colorado and got my license, and hit the tail end of the goldrush when you could still sell to dispensaries.
I don't let my dog on the grow op yard anymore because I don't want some asshole fed to shoot him, or get an assault charge if he does his job and bites a cop. Now I'm left with steel sheets on the windows and bars, a reinforced door, and the same camera system I bought when I was 18.
I bought my place specifically with security in mind, but I've been doing this for a long long time, and one of the best parts about 1043 for me is that it specifically limits the ban on felons with a drug related charge to 5 years, so hopefully soon I'll be able to go commercial since I got popped for growing 7 years ago.
No matter what you get for security, a guy with a knife in your back trumps it.
I understand your issue with it, believe me, but if I were you I'd relocate somewhere a little less hectic

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and seriously, if this shit goes active and 6 months from now the news is full of people getting federally prosecuted by way of the list or a crime wave developes from the easy access of this kind of information, I'll chop em all down and sell my building lmao

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Well I hate to tell you but the drug felon ban didnt get put into 1043, its still a permanent ban on all drug felons, other types of felonies there is a 5 year wait. But really man, if you're a caregiver why in the world would you like these new regs?

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

Well I hate to tell you but the drug felon ban didnt get put into 1043, its still a permanent ban on all drug felons, other types of felonies there is a 5 year wait. But really man, if you're a caregiver why in the world would you like these new regs?

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Because my ass is out in the air more than anybody, so the more things I can comply with the harder I can fight in court if I ever had to go through it all again. All you have to do is follow the rules, if you do, you're probably going to be alright
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shit it didn't? lmao
Now I have to read the whole thing again to see for myself, because I can only clearly remember seeing it in the agenda, so that sucks lmao but free buds are just as good and I'm happy that I've got everything I need to keep running. Someday I just want to stand in a huge room full of buds again I'd even be happy working for someone else in cultivation if I could just to smell all that dirt inside again
In the end, gimme more crap to pay for and more rules to follow, if it means I'm not going to jail again and I can smoke chronic

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now I'm totally confused. I'm reading what I see at http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/35AEB58FDBDA42DD8725781600583CE4?open&file=1043_01.pdf
and on the bottom of page 5 section H it says five years immediately preceding the application date for a conviction of a felony persuant to any state or federal law regarding the possession, distribution, manufacturing, cultivation or use of a controlled substance.
which all put in real people speak is: within 5 years following a drug charge right?
I'm gonna be pissed if I read that stupid thing and it turned out to be a rough draft or some crap.

Fire One Up said:

Because my ass is out in the air more than anybody, so the more things I can comply with the harder I can fight in court if I ever had to go through it all again. All you have to do is follow the rules, if you do, you're probably going to be alright
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shit it didn't? lmao
Now I have to read the whole thing again to see for myself, because I can only clearly remember seeing it in the agenda, so that sucks lmao but free buds are just as good and I'm happy that I've got everything I need to keep running. Someday I just want to stand in a huge room full of buds again I'd even be happy working for someone else in cultivation if I could just to smell all that dirt inside again
In the end, gimme more crap to pay for and more rules to follow, if it means I'm not going to jail again and I can smoke chronic

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Here's the problem with all that, before all these bills got passed you could still do everything you're talking about and more, the more regs the more potential landmines to step on. What you're supporting is the same rules that some dispensaries are supporting AND LOBBYING FOR in order to kill off caregivers. Its no coincidence that just about every piece of legislation that comes through the pipe contains something that fucks with caregivers more. There are some dispensary owners out there that feel caregivers are competition and wants to wipe them out completely. I used to be a dispensary owner and I know quite a few of them, some of the biggest players in the game lobby for these restrictions on caregivers. That should tell you everything you need to know about whats going on out there.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

Here's the problem with all that, before all these bills got passed you could still do everything you're talking about and more, the more regs the more potential landmines to step on. What you're supporting is the same rules that some dispensaries are supporting AND LOBBYING FOR in order to kill off caregivers. Its no coincidence that just about every piece of legislation that comes through the pipe contains something that fucks with caregivers more. There are some dispensary owners out there that feel caregivers are competition and wants to wipe them out completely. I used to be a dispensary owner and I know quite a few of them, some of the biggest players in the game lobby for these restrictions on caregivers. That should tell you everything you need to know about whats going on out there.

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yea, you could. You could also just as easily sling it to someone else, and nobody would've had any clue at all. Dispensaries have gotten the same amount of rules, and now its getting silly. You have to have specific types of things now, like a certain kind of cable for your security system to pass inspection. wtf is that?
All this is about is regulation. There's no way for the govornment to know how much I produce unless they come out and look. Even restaurants have health inspections. My last Osha hit was 700 bucks because my helper wasn't wearing safety approved lenses. I install carpet... wtf?
We went from kids in a basement making out to chaperoned all I'm sayin. Being a caregiver wasn't supposed to be a tax free business opportunity. It was so you could grow for yourself, and hell lets tack on 5 other people in case his grandma has glaucoma and his parents were hippies
I dunno man, I don't make the laws, I just don't understand the belly aching. Fort Collins limits you to 12 plants in a household grow no matter if you have 1 patient and yourself or 5 and yourself. The state constitution says I can have 6 for me and 6 for 5 other people. That's a screwed up policy. This is just regulation, and its not even really different than it was in the beginning, you just didn't have to worry about them actually coming and doing anything about it yet.

Fire One Up said:

now I'm totally confused. I'm reading what I see at http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/35AEB58FDBDA42DD8725781600583CE4?open&file=1043_01.pdf
and on the bottom of page 5 section H it says five years immediately preceding the application date for a conviction of a felony persuant to any state or federal law regarding the possession, distribution, manufacturing, cultivation or use of a controlled substance.
which all put in real people speak is: within 5 years following a drug charge right?
I'm gonna be pissed if I read that stupid thing and it turned out to be a rough draft or some crap.

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What you were reading is the Introduced version of the bill, before any changes were made. Here is the final version, look on page 6, section h.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/35AEB58FDBDA42DD8725781600583CE4?open&file=1043_enr.pdf

Fire One Up said:

The state constitution says I can have 6 for me and 6 for 5 other people. That's a screwed up policy. This is just regulation, and its not even really different than it was in the beginning, you just didn't have to worry about them actually coming and doing anything about it yet.

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No the Constitution never mentions 5 patients nor does it state any type of limit. The 5 patient thing came about with 1284, one of the provisions that the dispensary lobby wanted.

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

What you were reading is the Introduced version of the bill, before any changes were made. Here is the final version, look on page 6, section h.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/35AEB58FDBDA42DD8725781600583CE4?open&file=1043_enr.pdf

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thanks
that really friggen sucks that I just wasted my brain on a rough draft lmao
I guess mines up in the air, I'm not even sure what the penalty for possession of seeds with intent to deliver would be in Colorado, or if its a felony. If it isn't, then it looks like I can still try.
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Backstory:
my ex got my house raided when we broke up, all I had was seeds absolutely no leaf marijuana at the time. She testified against me since the DA said she'd do time if she didn't saying I sold marijuana. Then her dickhead friend piped up and testified against me for selling him marijuana a year prior when I first met him. 2 testimony's, a ziplock baggy 2 fingers deep full of seeds, and a postal scale in a box in my garage (the kind that really is just for packages lmao) equal 2 to 5 years in wyoming, suspended for 9 months in patient treatment in work release for my marijuana addiction and 2 years supervised felony probation.

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upon re-read, it also specifically says employee. So I guess that means I can't start a dispensary, I could only possibly work for one anyway.

I don't know a single caregiver who won't be forced to either shut down or totally redesign their op to meet zoning laws and lighting restrictions. Everything will have to be inspected to make sure it meets electrical code, etc...

And there it is .... it's law and goes into effect in July.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_18193903

doogleef said:

And there it is .... it's law and goes into effect in July.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_18193903

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I just threw up

Pure dogshit is what that is. stupid governor. They cut off one avenue after another for the "little guy" to be in this business, and now they've completely wal-marted the weed system in Colorado. And in complete violation of federal law, which means anyone who plays with the DOR might get their hand bit off by the feds.
who comes up with this crap?