Change!!!

Da Kine 420

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just thought I would pop by and see all the great "Change" that has occured. I am going to be bumping this throughout his Presidency just to update his "Change!"

First bill signed into law-Lilly Ledbetter Act, essentially allowing women to sue for retroactive pay, even though they have negotiated their own pay. You people wer soooo duped. I am all for fair pay, but lets not cry to the teacher about yesterday. By signing this bill, barack obama has essentially nullified the supreme court, who had ruled on this case many years ago by allowing her to recive pay for only the first 180 days.

So there you have it! CHANGE! We no longer need the Supreme Court! Is this what you meant by Change?

I think its fuckin bullshit! but you alreayd knew that.

and now he want to spend 1 trillion dollars within 2 weeks! Insane! Do you people know where this money is coming from? just ask the secretary of state where she is traveling first, to suck the chinese cocks who gave us the money!
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
If you were prez, what would you do? Let's have a detailed list of how you'd save this sinking ship? Better have a bucket to bail in both hands, you're going to need it.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Brilliant anology, let the ship sink, along with millions of jobs, just brilliant. I wonder how the right wing sleeps at night.
Quite comfortably, in an apartment, that's 400 sqft, because I'm not stupid enough to think I can afford a house.

I sleep in a bed (which is comfortable)

In between two sheets, under some blankets (which is comfortable)

With some nice fluffy pillows (which are also comfortable)

I also sleep very soundly, because I'm not trying to screw over my neighbor, just trying to get my neighbor to stop forcing me into involuntary servitude for his benefit.

I am not my brother's keeper.

A concept that the left has twisted by taking its opposite, and using it to mean that it is okay for people to enslave others into a life of permanently indebted servitude with out their permission, desire, or say so.

Med o Mao, if you are so concerned about the welfare of those that have lost their jobs, why haven't you sold your rental homes and used the proceeds to feed those people?

Why haven't you pulled out all the money in your and your wife's 401Ks and put it where your mouth is.

Oh, wait, that's right, you define the term, "Greed driven hypocrite"
 

TheBrutalTruth

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We elect people and then they are run through the Stepford machine and we end up with the same government as always.

I don't want to know what the government can do for me, I want to know what the government can do to leave me alone.

We need less people in government and we need much harsher penalties for white collar crime. People like Blago. should be publically hanged or beheaded. Who's that dude that's been in the news lately, with the 50 million dollar pyramid scheme thing going on? He should be hanged, beheaded or get the firing squad. These people do these things because they get a slap on the wrist. If they were actually in fear for their lives they might not do these things. How many jobs are lost on these kinds of rip offs alone? The people losing out have to make up their money somewhere.

I bet there are people who get more time for having weed than for stealing millions of dollars.
Bureaucratic Inertia, Miss.

The only way to fix the system is to dismantle the system completely, and start over from scratch (call it a Constitution stripped down to the Constitution + the Bill of Rights, with modifications to make it clear that everyone is equal.)

And then, write up a document that clearly identifies the goals of the government, and how the government expects to accomplish those goals.

What kind of cost it expects to incur, how it is going to meet that cost, and how it will prevent itself from becoming the large, bloated, wasteful megalith that it is now.
 

max420thc

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the politicians keep using the reason they are wasting tax payer money on private companys is..they are too big to fail..
i say they are too big not to fail.to fat too bloated and over weight.like many americans hu>?its all going to go belly up..and not far off..i wouldnt invest into government bonds they will not be able to pay you back.
 

Microdizzey

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If you were prez, what would you do? Let's have a detailed list of how you'd save this sinking ship? Better have a bucket to bail in both hands, you're going to need it.
Why not build a new economic system? It's seems like a legit fix, yet nobody ever talks about it. As if it's a damn conspiracy or something.

Why not use a new system that doesn't involve credit? A system that links the world economies (at least nations that want to work together), for easier, more safe control and distribution of money. That way, countries who are suffering can be helped. Everybody helps everybody, to sustain healthy nations for the good of humanity.

Why not?
 

medicineman

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Why not build a new economic system? It's seems like a legit fix, yet nobody ever talks about it. As if it's a damn conspiracy or something.

Why not use a new system that doesn't involve credit? A system that links the world economies (at least nations that want to work together), for easier, more safe control and distribution of money. That way, countries who are suffering can be helped. Everybody helps everybody, to sustain healthy nations for the good of humanity.

Why not?
You've just sent a chill through every libertarians wallet on this site. I think it would be really hard to find a currency level that would work for every country. In some countries, it takes a basketful to buy a loaf of bread. To create a world monetary system they would have to unitize wage and labor rates, something I'm pretty sure the elites would revel at. This would put us on par with the poorest poor in Africa, or Bangla Desh, can you say 25 cents a day wages. I certainly don't have any solutions to the worlds problems, But a one world monetary system is what the Bankers have wanted all along, probably because equalizing world wages would certainly bring them down so their domestic help would be cheaper. So, bring on the Amero,~LOL~.
 

Da Kine 420

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If you were prez, what would you do? Let's have a detailed list of how you'd save this sinking ship? Better have a bucket to bail in both hands, you're going to need it.
Well, I need the popular vote, 250K a year, and all the power in the world before anyone would listen to what I have to say on the economy. but here goes...

1. CUT government spending on useless programs. it isn't that rat feces isn't important to the future of our country, but lets put a hold on the useless gathering of more information when we can't even process the information we already have. Liberals unite!

2. Pick up the trash! I am so sick of seeing mother nature abused the way it is. I say stop welfare altogether and start picking up trash! once you have completed your days work, you will get your food stamps. Unless it is to help a child directly, I wouldn't give a damn cent to the welfare mamas.

3. Stop borrowing money from China to pay off our debt! 500 billion of the initial 700 billion was borrowed from China, where do you think we are going to get this trillion? you guessed wrong, we are borrowing it!

4. I would eliminate Political Parties, see GW on that one.

5. I would increase elected officials salary and make it illegal to lobby your politician.

6. I would build roads and bridges and get this country's infrastructure up to a superpower standard.

7. I would work on eliminating debt, not accruing it.

8. I would put a stop to energy trading on wall street.

9. I would allow the interest of a new Domestic manufacturer made auto be tax deductible retro active.

10. I would make credit card interest tax deductible.

11. I would legalize marajuana and use its resources to accomplish many great things.


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TheBrutalTruth

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Well, I need the popular vote, 250K a year, and all the power in the world before anyone would listen to what I have to say on the economy. but here goes...

1. CUT government spending on useless programs. it isn't that rat feces isn't important to the future of our country, but lets put a hold on the useless gathering of more information when we can't even process the information we already have. Liberals unite!

And what are useless programs In your opinion?

You're sounding like Obama, all talk, no substance...

2. Pick up the trash! I am so sick of seeing mother nature abused the way it is. I say stop welfare altogether and start picking up trash! once you have completed your days work, you will get your food stamps. Unless it is to help a child directly, I wouldn't give a damn cent to the welfare mamas.

There's a problem with that. It's the equivalent of involuntary servitude.

3. Stop borrowing money from China to pay off our debt! 500 billion of the initial 700 billion was borrowed from China, where do you think we are going to get this trillion? you guessed wrong, we are borrowing it!

What's more frightening is the fact that it has done absolutely nothing to help the economy, because the banks are hoarding it.

4. I would eliminate Political Parties, see GW on that one.

Heil Hitler, Mao and Stalin?

5. I would increase elected officials salary and make it illegal to lobby your politician.

Oh yeah, they deserve more money, give me a break. They are making ~$200,000/year and you want to give them more? I don't think that a lack of money is the problem, a lack of morals is.

Though speakign of raising their salaries, how convenient for you if you were elected...

6. I would build roads and bridges and get this country's infrastructure up to a superpower standard.

Yeah, I thought that was what Obama was saying, and we all saw how fast he ditched that. Hundreds of Billions for useless programs, and for the states, and a measly small amount to pay for infrastructure.

7. I would work on eliminating debt, not accruing it.

How do you plan on doing the above while eliminating the national debt? You can't have your pie and eat it, too, you know?

8. I would put a stop to energy trading on wall street.

That's stupid. Not all energy trading involves people that have no business trading energy. Some of the trading takes place between Producers and Consumers, and thus is justified.

Next you're going to say you're going to impose price caps...

The problem is that price caps have been tried, and they failed (miserably)

9. I would allow the interest of a new Domestic manufacturer made auto be tax deductible retro active.

Why not just cut taxes across the board? And what about people that might have got stuck with a foreign made vehicle, because of bad decisions made that they wish they could undo? Would you give them a tax credit to trade in their foreign vehicle for an American made one?

10. I would make credit card interest tax deductible.

Doesn't solve the problem of too much consumer debt... better solution would be to make any and all expenses tax deductible. Let a person write off rent/mortgage payments on their primary residence, the cost of any and all food that they consume, the cost of any purchases of any vehicle that they are using on a day to day basis (more than 250 days of the year), and write off any expenses related to what could potentially become a business, including hobbies.

11. I would legalize marajuana and use its resources to accomplish many great things.

What's this marajuana you speak of? Oh, you must mean marijuana.

Though what do you plan on trying to accomplish with it?

And if you do legalize it, are you going to end ethanol subsidies?

And what makes you think Congress is going to work with you?


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max420thc

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solutions you ask for.ok.here is the solution

number 1. get rid of the federal reserve
number 2. the US government print US dollars and back those dollars with something of value.such as gold silver copper ect.
number 3.term limits for everyone one in congress
number 4.executive order signed to hang all lobbyists
number 5.to ease the hardship of this huge fucking depression that the government has caused .the government would spend non interest bearing money into the economy.on such things as new roads and bridges and nuke power plants all over the place.some moneys would go into the development of the elctric car and no longer would we be held hostage to the oil cartel in the middle east.
number 6.all debt held outside of our border by other countrys or individuals would be repudiated . or basicly filed bankruptcy on.:bigjoint:i love that one.
number 7.i would restore constitutional governement
number 8.anyone who does not belong here in this country as a citizen would be deported and the southern border would be gaurded. that includes the anchor babys there would be no more free rides for illegal alliens.to many citizens here who need the resources they steal ..yea thats right i said steal from the american public
number 9.no more corporate welfare programs the government would shrink to a managable size or maybe a quarter of the employees it has today.
number 10.tax rates would be cut to a bare minimium .to support only those things designated powers of the government by the constitution .
number 11.ever military aged male between the ages of 18 and 26 would have mandatory service by their state governments to support the national army.the constitution says NO STANDING ARMY.for good reason.our founders were very smart men and didnt know what a computor was.in times of nation emergency the president could call upon those state militias to deffend and protect the constitution and people.

NOTE; notice i didnt say anything about marijuana legalization.WHY?because the federal government has NO constitutional authorty in the realm of marijuana anyway.it is just another case of the federal government running amuck and over steping the constitution of the USA.these people are treasonese who run this country.without doubt.
 

Da Kine 420

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Originally Posted by Da Kine 420
Well, I need the popular vote, 250K a year, and all the power in the world before anyone would listen to what I have to say on the economy. but here goes...

1. CUT government spending on useless programs. it isn't that rat feces isn't important to the future of our country, but lets put a hold on the useless gathering of more information when we can't even process the information we already have. Liberals unite!

And what are useless programs In your opinion? you provide me the list and i will make the cuts

You're sounding like Obama, all talk, no substance...

2. Pick up the trash! I am so sick of seeing mother nature abused the way it is. I say stop welfare altogether and start picking up trash! once you have completed your days work, you will get your food stamps. Unless it is to help a child directly, I wouldn't give a damn cent to the welfare mamas.

There's a problem with that. It's the equivalent of involuntary servitude. well then you don't get any money from the govt

3. Stop borrowing money from China to pay off our debt! 500 billion of the initial 700 billion was borrowed from China, where do you think we are going to get this trillion? you guessed wrong, we are borrowing it!

What's more frightening is the fact that it has done absolutely nothing to help the economy, because the banks are hoarding it.

it hasn't helped one iota


4. I would eliminate Political Parties, see GW on that one.

Heil Hitler, Mao and Stalin? um, George Washington, our first president said beware of political parties and foriegn affais when he left office. I can't believe you didn't know that! what is good for one party isn't good for the counrty if they are not in power.

5. I would increase elected officials salary and make it illegal to lobby your politician.

Oh yeah, they deserve more money, give me a break. They are making ~$200,000/year and you want to give them more? I don't think that a lack of money is the problem, a lack of morals is. once again, you lack of information is amazing me. if they were paid enough to serve both in washington and their home district, they would not nee to take lobbiest money and therefore would serve the people, not the lobbiest. come on now, do you know how much it costs to have a residence in your home state and Washington? pay them enough, get rid of special interests groups.

Though speakign of raising their salaries, how convenient for you if you were elected... senators and congresmen and women vote to raise their taxes in their LAST term! It amazes me your lack of how the government works for someone who i thought knew more.

6. I would build roads and bridges and get this country's infrastructure up to a superpower standard.

Yeah, I thought that was what Obama was saying, and we all saw how fast he ditched that. Hundreds of Billions for useless programs, and for the states, and a measly small amount to pay for infrastructure.

see, i am no Obama!!!!I would make good on my promises.
7. I would work on eliminating debt, not accruing it.

How do you plan on doing the above while eliminating the national debt? You can't have your pie and eat it, too, you know?


cut useless goverment spending and research-see the first note I made

8. I would put a stop to ener gy trading on wall street.

That's stupid. Not all energy trading involves people that have no business trading energy. Some of the trading takes place between Producers and Consumers, and thus is justified. well, regulate it better, the oil crisis this past summer is what blew the lid off the can

Next you're going to say you're going to impose price caps... no price caps, but if Mexico can subsidize their gasoline sales to their citizens, I think we can do something

The problem is that price caps have been tried, and they failed (miserably)

9. I would allow the interest of a new Domestic manufacturer made auto be tax deductible retro active.

Why not just cut taxes across the board? And what about people that might have got stuck with a foreign made vehicle, because of bad decisions made that they wish they could undo? Would you give them a tax credit to trade in their foreign vehicle for an American made one?

How about a flat tax rate so that every american can pull their fair share? why must the middle class float the boat for everyone? sure, tax break to trade in that junky toyota(70's style)


10. I would make credit card interest tax deductible.

Doesn't solve the problem of too much consumer debt... better solution would be to make any and all expenses tax deductible. Let a person write off rent/mortgage payments on their primary residence, the cost of any and all food that they consume, the cost of any purchases of any vehicle that they are using on a day to day basis (more than 250 days of the year), and write off any expenses related to what could potentially become a business, including hobbies.

Sounds good to me, would you like to be my vice president? no sales tax on items needed to sustain life, i.e, food, drink, shelter, and so on. but you would need to brush up on your government knowledge.


11. I would legalize marajuana and use its resources to accomplish many great things.

What's this marajuana you speak of? Oh, you must mean marijuana. oh my god, a TYPO!!!

Though what do you plan on trying to accomplish with it?

And if you do legalize it, are you going to end ethanol subsidies?
yes,

And what makes you think Congress is going to work with you? well, tradition says they won't do shit, but I will use my bully pulpit to well, bully them.


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TheBrutalTruth

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Originally Posted by Da Kine 420
Well, I need the popular vote, 250K a year, and all the power in the world before anyone would listen to what I have to say on the economy. but here goes...

1. CUT government spending on useless programs. it isn't that rat feces isn't important to the future of our country, but lets put a hold on the useless gathering of more information when we can't even process the information we already have. Liberals unite!

And what are useless programs In your opinion? you provide me the list and i will make the cuts

How about all of them?
HHS,
Defense Spending in Europe
Defense Spending in Korea
Defense Spending everywhere else except here

2. Pick up the trash! I am so sick of seeing mother nature abused the way it is. I say stop welfare altogether and start picking up trash! once you have completed your days work, you will get your food stamps. Unless it is to help a child directly, I wouldn't give a damn cent to the welfare mamas.

There's a problem with that. It's the equivalent of involuntary servitude. well then you don't get any money from the govt

Don't want money from the government want the government to stop taking the money that I earn.

3. Stop borrowing money from China to pay off our debt! 500 billion of the initial 700 billion was borrowed from China, where do you think we are going to get this trillion? you guessed wrong, we are borrowing it!

What's more frightening is the fact that it has done absolutely nothing to help the economy, because the banks are hoarding it.

it hasn't helped one iota

Something we can agree on


4. I would eliminate Political Parties, see GW on that one.

Heil Hitler, Mao and Stalin? um, George Washington, our first president said beware of political parties and foriegn affais when he left office. I can't believe you didn't know that! what is good for one party isn't good for the counrty if they are not in power.

I know what Washington said about factions, but that doesn't resolve the issue of having what is in essence a one party system right now, with two different branches. Both "parties" are for big government, either to subsidize a welfare state or to subsidize a warfare state.

5. I would increase elected officials salary and make it illegal to lobby your politician.

Oh yeah, they deserve more money, give me a break. They are making ~$200,000/year and you want to give them more? I don't think that a lack of money is the problem, a lack of morals is. once again, you lack of information is amazing me. if they were paid enough to serve both in washington and their home district, they would not nee to take lobbiest money and therefore would serve the people, not the lobbiest. come on now, do you know how much it costs to have a residence in your home state and Washington? pay them enough, get rid of special interests groups.

Wouldn't it be more effective to move the capitol some where else, and ban the lobbyists from traveling to the some where else?

Why not just wall it in, and have it so that only government employees could access that area?

While we're talking about the Hill...

1. How about cutting the number of staffers that senators and representatives can have to 1 each

2. Passing laws that would require the following
A. Bills must address one item only
B. Budgets must show a surplus (have to eventually pay off the debt, otherwise I'd be satisfied with just a balanced budget)
C. No emergency spending measures are allowed
D. The bill must not exceed more than 10 pages in length, and must fully explain how it is going to effect whatever it is addressing, and why it might fail to accomplish its goals.
E. Before a vote can be made on a bill all Senators and Representatives must be present.
F. No amendments will be allowed to a bill that will violate A, B, C or D, and for an amendments to be considered E must be satisfied.

3. End the Usage of Franked Mail (Senators and Representatives must pay for their mail out of pocket)

Though speakign of raising their salaries, how convenient for you if you were elected... senators and congresmen and women vote to raise their taxes in their LAST term! It amazes me your lack of how the government works for someone who i thought knew more.

That's not really that surprising, perhaps wage freezes would be more suitable. On top of kicking the lobbyists out of the Hill. Or perhaps wage cuts, why they are earning 4x more than the average American for Senators and Representatives is beyond me, and why the president earns 8x more is also beyond me. It is hardly logical to say that they have additional expenses that can not be met by providing them with 2x more than the average american makes, and expecting them to be able to maintain two residences with that.


6. I would build roads and bridges and get this country's infrastructure up to a superpower standard.

Yeah, I thought that was what Obama was saying, and we all saw how fast he ditched that. Hundreds of Billions for useless programs, and for the states, and a measly small amount to pay for infrastructure.

see, i am no Obama!!!!I would make good on my promises.

:-), And if you fail to do that, will your first act be to force congress to pass a bill that will allow for their, and your recall?

7. I would work on eliminating debt, not accruing it.

How do you plan on doing the above while eliminating the national debt? You can't have your pie and eat it, too, you know?


cut useless goverment spending and research-see the first note I made

What useless research?

8. I would put a stop to ener gy trading on wall street.

That's stupid. Not all energy trading involves people that have no business trading energy. Some of the trading takes place between Producers and Consumers, and thus is justified. well, regulate it better, the oil crisis this past summer is what blew the lid off the can

Is it possible that perhaps the problem is due to regulation distorting the market?

Next you're going to say you're going to impose price caps... no price caps, but if Mexico can subsidize their gasoline sales to their citizens, I think we can do something

Mexico also produces more oil than they need, something that the United States has not done in a long time.

Perhaps a better solution would be to cut taxes on Gasoline?

The problem is that price caps have been tried, and they failed (miserably)

9. I would allow the interest of a new Domestic manufacturer made auto be tax deductible retro active.

Why not just cut taxes across the board? And what about people that might have got stuck with a foreign made vehicle, because of bad decisions made that they wish they could undo? Would you give them a tax credit to trade in their foreign vehicle for an American made one?

How about a flat tax rate so that every american can pull their fair share? why must the middle class float the boat for everyone? sure, tax break to trade in that junky toyota(70's style)

10%?


10. I would make credit card interest tax deductible.

Doesn't solve the problem of too much consumer debt... better solution would be to make any and all expenses tax deductible. Let a person write off rent/mortgage payments on their primary residence, the cost of any and all food that they consume, the cost of any purchases of any vehicle that they are using on a day to day basis (more than 250 days of the year), and write off any expenses related to what could potentially become a business, including hobbies.

Sounds good to me, would you like to be my vice president? no sales tax on items needed to sustain life, i.e, food, drink, shelter, and so on. but you would need to brush up on your government knowledge.

Actually I was thinking that a better solution would be to scrap the IRS and replace all income taxes with tariffs and excise taxes. We would of course have to withdraw from WTO, GAAT, NAFTA, CAFTA, the UN, and so on and so forth...


11. I would legalize marajuana and use its resources to accomplish many great things.

What's this marajuana you speak of? Oh, you must mean marijuana. oh my god, a TYPO!!!

What was that about me having no sense of humor? I was being facetious when I commented on your typo.

Though what do you plan on trying to accomplish with it?

And if you do legalize it, are you going to end ethanol subsidies?
yes,

And what makes you think Congress is going to work with you? well, tradition says they won't do shit, but I will use my bully pulpit to well, bully them.

Well if it means having a chance to bully congress, sure I'm willing to be your VP.


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No, too many unanswered questions, and too many vague promises. isn't that what is suppose to happen after an election

No, that's not what is supposed to happen after an election. :-)

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