Unclebaldrick
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I guess we must be running out of elephants.
China to ban ivory trade by end of this year.
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Rudi I&I Automan
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What pisses me off is all the burning of the illegaly poached elephant tusks, If they had any sensi they would sell them off for a profit and put the money towards more guards to help protect the few elephants we have left.
All those elephants that have died in vein only to have their lives left in burning heaps, causing an even larger demand for their ivory so more will get killed. WTF is wrong here????
All those elephants that have died in vein only to have their lives left in burning heaps, causing an even larger demand for their ivory so more will get killed. WTF is wrong here????
Unclebaldrick
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It's "died in vain".
Yeah, it is an often unpopular policy but there is a lot of thought behind it. The idea is that selling the ivory feeds the ivory trade even more and the ivory trade is also buying illegal ivory with both hands. Look into it a bit and see what you think.
Of course you are right about the other policy too. There are areas where the heads are managed and the ivory from culls is sold to fund the protection. I am not expert at the details but I would guess that it depends on the specific country. Some countries could not protect their herds if you dumped a billion dollars on them. Some are doing rather well.
I found a recent documentary very disturbing in that the Chinese had ramped up their operation for ivory carving in anticipation of a ban. I guess this means they are down to an 11 month supply of elephants.
Unclebaldrick
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Yeah. But ivory is a nice material. This has happened and is still happening to plenty of species. The Chinese ALWAYS seem to be at the center of it. Rhinos are probably the worse off. Have these fuckers no Viagra? Museums across America, small ones especially, are being hit if there is a stuffed rhino in the collection. They are having to pre-emptively remove the horn and replace it with a copy - and even those places are getting hit.
Manta rays are now being hunted in unsustainable numbers to get their gill plates. Apparently they are used to treat a malady often found in rich, old Chinese people.
Fuckers.
dangledo
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Even Pangolins have it rough.
The animal itself is eaten, but a greater danger arises from the belief that the scales have medicinal value. Fresh scales are never used, but dried scales are roasted, ashed, cooked in oil, butter, vinegar, boy’s urine, or roasted with earth or oyster-shells, to cure a variety of ills.
We are a fucked up specie.
The animal itself is eaten, but a greater danger arises from the belief that the scales have medicinal value. Fresh scales are never used, but dried scales are roasted, ashed, cooked in oil, butter, vinegar, boy’s urine, or roasted with earth or oyster-shells, to cure a variety of ills.
We are a fucked up specie.
Grandpapy
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Not until the end of this year.
Unclebaldrick
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UncleBuck
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Corso312
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I don't watch that documentaries, too depressing.. But it does seem dumb to burn the ivory on a dead elephant. If they had any brains, they'd use that ivory in sting operations and follow the tusks from start to finish..arrest them all and hand out real punishment. Reclaim the ivory and continue to use them as bait and make more arrests.
Corso312
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The Chinese will hunt any animal to extinction if they believe it makes their little dicks bigger.
Unclebaldrick
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Many of these countries do not have infrastructure like ours. They can't arrest them all. Locally, many of the people involved are corrupt officials or are bribing corrupt officials. So anything they try to do in the field gets all fucked up by their own people. Even if you could arrest them all, it does nothing. The in-country poachers are not making much money but it is enough to have a constant supply of poachers even if you do arrest them all. Also, it will do nothing to stop the ivory market demand as there is always somebody "just offshore" that cannot be reached.
Despite the many "wizards of economics" here at RIU that will insist that "burning them lowers supply and drives up prices leading to more poaching, duh", it is not that simple. There is a thriving market for ivory carvings. Think of 5000 or 10,000 ivory-machinists all set up with their own lathe, mill, etc.. Those businesses need to die. They market ivory in China like Zale's markets diamonds.
Unclebaldrick
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Rudi I&I Automan
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Aparantly snorting ground up afrodisiac sales persons will increase both the girth and lengh of ones penis,
Unclebaldrick
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Mimes too. That is why there are so few left.
srh88
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Corso312
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You don't need infrastructure like ours to crack down on this, it's not difficult to throw money at the problem and get these corrupt rulers in Botswana or Zimbabwe on the right side.