China to ban ivory trade by end of this year.

Unclebaldrick

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Corso312 said:
You don't need infrastructure like ours to crack down on this, it's not difficult to throw money at the problem and get these corrupt rulers in Botswana or Zimbabwe on the right side.
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No matter how much money you spread around, out in the bush where the elephants are, the ivory buyers would be offering more by the time it trickled down to the poacher. It is a controversial program. I have no real way to tell which works best but I have accepted their argument as "not dumb". I have some ivory (it is old). I have seen some utterly mind blowing ivory in museums. It is easy to see why we started to consume it. Learn a bit about the early ivory trade here. Factories of workmen driving the need to get more and more ivory. There were whole towns of ivory carving factories. It is that way in China now. Only by fucking up their supply will those businesses cease to expand.
 
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Corso312

Corso312

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Unclebaldrick said:
No matter how much money you spread around, out in the bush where the elephants are, the ivory buyers would be offering more by the time it trickled down to the poacher. It is a controversial program. I have no real way to tell which works best but I have accepted their argument as "not dumb". I have some ivory (it is old). I have seen some utterly mind blowing ivory in museums. It is easy to see why we started to consume it. Learn a bit about the early ivory trade here. Factories of workmen driving the need to get more and more ivory. There were whole towns of ivory carving factories. It is that way in China now. Only by fucking up their supply will those businesses cease to expand.
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I don't know the actual numbers, I'd just assume the World could cough up enough dough to these Military poachers to outbid whatever figure a handful of international criminals are paying rebel groups and the military.
 
Corso312

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Also, why isn't there a synthetic ivory like product made? Something that could fill the void for artists and jewelers.
 
Rudi I&I Automan

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In these countrys and with that leval of money to be made, corruption or the military being paid or coersed to turning a blind eye is rife and un stoppable

as for synthetics, they have failed to stop the BIG MONEY "I WANT REAL IVORY AT ANY COST" from stopping the ilegal trade http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7490/full/507040a.html
rhino horn is being or in the process of being 3D printed.
Tagua nut is used to make smaller items instead of ivory. but only a small nut sadly
In my line of work, ive seen ivory from piano keys being sold off;
I cant see why whale bone cant replace ivory, oh yes the chinese have allready got them to near extinction levals. bad joke apollogies

extinction seems to be the order of the day for all endangered species. arn't you proud to be part of this nasty human (for want of a better word) race :(
 
Sir Napsalot

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Corso312 said:
Also, why isn't there a synthetic ivory like product made? Something that could fill the void for artists and jewelers.
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There is faux ivory made of resin, it's hard to tell from the real thing unless you know what to look for. Also the tagua nuts a previous poster mentioned (which makes great pipes) I started out in the jewelry business cutting mastodon ivory, which is still legal. I've also worked with both fresh and fossilized walrus ivory, whale's teeth, and warthog tusks.
This is my sperm whale's tooth:

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GreatwhiteNorth

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Rudi I&I Automan said:
In these countrys and with that leval of money to be made, corruption or the military being paid or coersed to turning a blind eye is rife and un stoppable

as for synthetics, they have failed to stop the BIG MONEY "I WANT REAL IVORY AT ANY COST" from stopping the ilegal trade http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7490/full/507040a.html
rhino horn is being or in the process of being 3D printed.
Tagua nut is used to make smaller items instead of ivory. but only a small nut sadly
In my line of work, ive seen ivory from piano keys being sold off;
I cant see why whale bone cant replace ivory, oh yes the chinese have allready got them to near extinction levals. bad joke apollogies

extinction seems to be the order of the day for all endangered species. arn't you proud to be part of this nasty human (for want of a better word) race :(
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Whale bone is too porous - it must have blood vessels going through it as it is very rough.
I've got a bunch in my "rock garden" for lack of a better thing to do with it.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Sir Napsalot said:
There is faux ivory made of resin, it's hard to tell from the real thing unless you know what to look for. Also the tagua nuts a previous poster mentioned (which makes great pipes) I started out in the jewelry business cutting mastodon ivory, which is still legal. I've also worked with both fresh and fossilized walrus ivory, whale's teeth, and warthog tusks.
This is my sperm whale's tooth:

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Very cool, you did that?


I thought only native Alaskans (Eskimo) could harvest walrus tusk and whale bone? No?
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Rudi I&I Automan said:
In these countrys and with that leval of money to be made, corruption or the military being paid or coersed to turning a blind eye is rife and un stoppable

as for synthetics, they have failed to stop the BIG MONEY "I WANT REAL IVORY AT ANY COST" from stopping the ilegal trade http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7490/full/507040a.html
rhino horn is being or in the process of being 3D printed.
Tagua nut is used to make smaller items instead of ivory. but only a small nut sadly
In my line of work, ive seen ivory from piano keys being sold off;
I cant see why whale bone cant replace ivory, oh yes the chinese have allready got them to near extinction levals. bad joke apollogies

extinction seems to be the order of the day for all endangered species. arn't you proud to be part of this nasty human (for want of a better word) race :(
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Im just spitballing ideas, probably expecting too much of humans to be decent, I'm realistic though..I know the spoiled bitches in this country will never stop their infatuation with diamonds and those cause a lot of bloodshed too.
 
Sir Napsalot

Sir Napsalot

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I was given a tagua nut by my boss in ~1980 when they were first becoming available, he said "see what you can do with this", so I made a bitchin' pipe. I've never seen another tagua nut as large as that first one. The stuff drills like delrin and polishes like ivory, very unique material.
 
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