The Older Guy
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Sorry it took so long to answer. I've used the Enzymes Komplete as directed and was able to finish the grow with a yield that was ok, but not great.
Chlorine Friendly Nutrients In Canada
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Dameon187
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I got a really sad situation I started out with a 12-in pot. Adding another 12-in pop below it cutting bottom off first and inserting it into the next. Now I have all in a 5 gallon bucket. Real bitch to try and figure out how to get back out, as I believe I was root bound. Plant stop growing. Just after topping. I've been watching them daily so maybe grow stopped for 2 days. One had roots that got ripped off. The other didn't have no roots Beyond and also stop growing though. Believe both were Root bound. The one that tore Roots I'm hoping cleaned up my issue. The other I don't know what to do for it I don't feel like extracting is the best idea due to how it is spotted? Any answers might help other than why did you do that. It's what I had at the time. Also the transplant was yesterday. One is very healthy looking. One kind of has a top lean to it. But looks healthy otherwise. That's the one that had the roots ripped from the bottom. Wasn't very sad looking condition last night. Thanks, have a great 420
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OldMedUser
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What are you growing in? I would have added about 30% perlite to whatever it is to help the roots expand. If you were rootbound in the smaller pots you should have cut the bottom off the rootball before repotting and even cut the long roots off the sides of the ball.
Like these. All growing in ProMix HP which has lots of perlite and what I use still with organics for nutes as it has no nutes in it. Works great with hydro nutes too.
Dameon187
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What are you growing in? I would have added about 30% perlite to whatever it is to help the roots expand. If you were rootbound in the smaller pots you should have cut the bottom off the rootball before repotting and even cut the long roots off the sides of the ball.
Like these. All growing in ProMix HP which has lots of perlite and what I use still with organics for nutes as it has no nutes in it. Works great with hydro nutes too.
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[/Didn't my bucket tip over and plant fall leaning out tore some roots. I use the three in one Moss mix, I wasn't rebound as those were. Thank you for your examples I'm now waiting to see if one survives After Fall. I was messing around with it when I shouldn't have beenWhat are you growing in? I would have added about 30% perlite to whatever it is to help the roots expand. If you were rootbound in the smaller pots you should have cut the bottom off the rootball before repotting and even cut the long roots off the sides of the ball.
Like these. All growing in ProMix HP which has lots of perlite and what I use still with organics for nutes as it has no nutes in it. Works great with hydro nutes too.
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Dameon187
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Those are pretty far away say 6 ft, plants might only be two and a half foot clones 2 ft Maybe. I see some hope there there's good shoots. Had a major accident last night tipped over the bucket of the biggest. But it's robust and going again. Maybe that broke the roof down. Certainly wouldn't have been in a situation like yours though I don't think. Thanks for your advice. If you have any other advice with the look of my plants I'll be happy to accept it. My soil is a 3-in-1 Moss mix, with topsoil, I used the three in one mix alone for the bottom. Containing Moss for drainage. I really think I've been underwatering, had drainage issues. Only been getting about 3 l into the pot hopefully tonight it will take a full 4 L and be happy.
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OldMedUser
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Moss is quite acidic unless it comes buffered but the plants look happy so far. The ProMix HP I use is mostly sphagnum peat moss with added calcitic and dolomitic lime to offset the acidity. It also has a healthy dose of perlite so it can be used straight out of the bale then watered with nutrients and is all you need to grow in.
I've grown lots of plants in the same size pails and they will take up to 4L if really dry but 3 - 3.5 is the usual as I don't want it bone dry or will have to wet the top first then add small amounts over time to prevent it running straight out the bottom. I have catch trays under the pots so if in a hurry I'll just pour it in fast, let the tray fill up and soak in from the bottom. If too much I'll wait a half hour then use a small towel to soak up any extra in the tray so the pot isn't sitting in water too long.
The Older Guy
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Hey guys. I haven't posted anything for awhile because I wanted to be able to post some accurate information on the root rot and Enzymes Komplete. Over the last several months I've had several conversations with the guys at Enzymes Komplete. Now, I've heard of this scenario before and after having the conversations with the Enzymes Kompleye guys, I think it must be true and that is that if you cut clones from a plant that has root rot that as your clones grow they will develop root rot pretty much no matter what you do. Because of this situation it was suggested to use up to 2ml per L of nutrient solution as long as necessary. I've got up to 1.75 ml per liter and the roots are looking good although you can see some signs of root rot. I don't think it will ever be totally clear, but the plants are doing very good and this grow has been in flower for almost three weeks. At this point I have extended the reservoir change to every five days. In the beginning for about four reservoir changes I would change the reservoir every two to three days. Also, I have been adding .4ml per L of 29% H2O2. This is about what the guys at Enzymes Komplete suggests. I am experimenting a bit and I am using .5ml of 29% of H2O2 and it seams fine, but that is as high as I will go. If I can find a strain that is as good as the PK strain I have I will switch, But now that I have an idea of what's going on I will deal with the clones accordingly and shouldn't have to deal with a bad break out of root rot knowing that it will probably always be there to a small degree anyway. I have just put some clones in the system so in several weeks I should be able to see what happens if I treat for root rot before it shows it's ugly head. On another note... I'm wondering what you guys are using for pumps in your hydroponic systems? I have meg drive pumps, but I find they can't handle much back pressure at all. I'm looking to get a bit better flow to the pots. Any suggestions would be appreciated...
The Older Guy
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I think it was myke that suggested Enzymes Komplete. I would like to say a Big Thank You to myke for that and to everyone else for all the replies and suggestions. The guys at Enzymes Komplete were always there to help and were very friendly.
OldMedUser
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That's a crock. The bacteria that cause root rot does not travel up the plant. These guys just want to sell you more stuff.
Way too low to combat or prevent root rot. I used to use 0.5ml/L of 35% peroxide twice a week for prevention before building a chiller and up to 8ml/L every day for a few days when I did get rot tho 4 or 5ml/L was usually enough. This was with changing the nutes maybe twice for a whole grow.
I always ran separate tubs in DWC so if rot happened in one it wouldn't affect any others so just had airstones going in each. Out of around 50 tubs I did over the years since 2001 I only had root rot twice and that was when I used clones rooted in real dirt. Keeping the pH below 6 and twice weekly doses of peroxide prevented rot even in my summertime grows but back then I never even kept track of the nute temp.
I always ran sterile and never tried any of those beneficial bacteria additives. Seemed like most that used them had nothing but problems.
The Older Guy
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I really don't know if it's a crock or not, but I have heard this of and on over the years. As far as Enzymes Kpmplete I was already using the product. All I can tell you is that I always get root rot. I have tried 29% H2O2 to the rate of 8ml per L and adding 25% each day until the res change and then starting over again with the above ratios. This didn't get rid of it. Went through 16L of H2O2 pretty quick. I tried pool shock, I forget the ratio, but pretty strong. The plants were showing the stress and I wasn't able to get rid of the rot, so on that grow, which is the one going now I decided to try the Enzymes Komplete. I had played around with it before, so I had a pretty good idea what it was all about. The plants have been in flower for three weeks and the roots are looking good now, even after all the stress they went through. To be honest this is the first time I have seen white roots wile doing hydro. From what I've done and what I've seen I would have to say it works... at least for me. With having so much trouble with root rot you would think I have a very dirty system, but it isn't. I never have anything growing in the res. The chiller keeps the solution between 64F and 66F and the PH is kept between 5.7 and 6.2 and lots and lots of air. O, and I tried beneficial bacteria on one grow with no success. The Enzymes Komplete, for me so far is working....
OldMedUser
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Oh well if it's working then maybe it's worth it. I have a small bottle of it I got as a free sample a couple years ago but never used. I wasn't running DWC at the time and may never again. Don't even have any plants going atm for the first time in 22 years but have some seeds sitting on the desk waiting to get sprouted. They'll be going into some 10L square pots filled with ProMix HP and might just use AN 3-part to get a quick grow in with no fussing around. I've been trying organics in the HP but that doesn't work so well for me.
The Older Guy
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Gotcha. Without root rot they suggest .5ml/L. One of the other things I've noticed is that everything is running cleaner than normal. They have quiet a bit of info on their website. The last grow I did I added a pot with Sunshine Mix#4 and that turned out better than expected. I used .5ml/L on that. Also, Enzymes Komplete supposed to help prevent salt build up as long as you do the proper run off. I guess all you can do is give it a try and see if it does anything for you. The guys at Enzymes Komplete suggests to always call them. I've emailed them with questions and instead of emailing back they call and said they prefer talking over emailing. After growing that long it must feel strange to not have a grow going. That's also just about how long I've been growing.Oh well if it's working then maybe it's worth it. I have a small bottle of it I got as a free sample a couple years ago but never used. I wasn't running DWC at the time and may never again. Don't even have any plants going atm for the first time in 22 years but have some seeds sitting on the desk waiting to get sprouted. They'll be going into some 10L square pots filled with ProMix HP and might just use AN 3-part to get a quick grow in with no fussing around. I've been trying organics in the HP but that doesn't work so well for me.
OldMedUser
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I was only mentioning 22 years since I moved up here to northern Alberta in Feb 2001 with 6 hash plant clones from a big grower I knew in BC. I grew my first buds from bagseed in Calgary back in '78 then on and off over the years until getting here. Kinda tired of it to be honest. Cost me nothing but money over the years.
Just two strains planned for this winter's grow so should get them sprouted soon. A 30:1 CBD strain and something supposed to be narcotic called Paonia Purple Paralyzer. Could use a good couch lock to get to bed earlier and not sleep my day away. Having a few hits of an old strain I made years ago. NL X Kali Mist I call Northern Myst. For some reason I don't have the date on the jar but it's at least 8 years old and has matured into a fairly stony buzz. About 1/2oz left. I've been using Monkey Banana Kush from Dec 2020 for a bedtime buzz but this is better.
The Older Guy
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I see. For me it's around 22 from the start. I have a couple CBD Kush that suppose to be pretty much all CBD. My wife has a lot of Arthritis and she don't like getting a buzz so I hope these are what they suppose to be. I'll know in a few days. A lot of the time she hardly sleeps because of the pain. Yes; after growing that long I can see getting tire of it. I don't grow a lot of plants now, but I do grow them quiet large. When you grew hydro what kind of pump did you use? Right now I'm using meg drive pumps, but they can't handle any amount of back pressure so I'm not getting the spray I should from the sprayers. I'm getting by, but would like a bit more spray.I was only mentioning 22 years since I moved up here to northern Alberta in Feb 2001 with 6 hash plant clones from a big grower I knew in BC. I grew my first buds from bagseed in Calgary back in '78 then on and off over the years until getting here. Kinda tired of it to be honest. Cost me nothing but money over the years.
Just two strains planned for this winter's grow so should get them sprouted soon. A 30:1 CBD strain and something supposed to be narcotic called Paonia Purple Paralyzer. Could use a good couch lock to get to bed earlier and not sleep my day away. Having a few hits of an old strain I made years ago. NL X Kali Mist I call Northern Myst. For some reason I don't have the date on the jar but it's at least 8 years old and has matured into a fairly stony buzz. About 1/2oz left. I've been using Monkey Banana Kush from Dec 2020 for a bedtime buzz but this is better.
OldMedUser
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I did my DWC in single Rubbermaid tubs so only used air pumps with a couple of 12" airstones in each tub. The bubbles popping soaked everything above the waterline really well. Thought of doing RDWC years ago but meh. All those connections that could leak and water pumps to plug up or break down kinda turned me off. With two tubs running I'd have two dual outlet aquarium pumps going with one line from each to each tub so if one broke down each would have one working airstone. The pumps would be plugged into different circuits so if a beaker blew for one the other pump could keep things aerated. Never had either problem happen but I was a good little boy scout and was prepared.
Maybe start a thread in the Hydroponics forum asking for pump ideas. Bound to be a few experienced users in there.
I got one of these other air pumps using a multi hose manifold that could probably do 4 tubs. Still have my aquarium pumps for backup. No sprayers required with all that air. No holes below the waterline to leak either.
I'll be making fem seeds I hope of the 30:1 CBD plants I plan to sprout soon so will keep you in mind once I have them. I will be having a couple lab tested but they were tested by the guy who sent me the seeds at over 20% CBD and close to 0.5% THC so something I could give my 96yo mom who also doesn't want a buzz. They are regular photoperiod seeds so will make some regs and use STS to make some fem versions too I hope.
The Older Guy
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Yes, for sure no leaks there, and you're right about RDWC. So far I've been lucky concerning leaks, but I expect it's just a matter of time. I always wondered how you monitored and adjusted ph when growing like that or were the plants small enough you could take the cover off and do whatever and what about temperature? The main reasons I'm doing RDWC is so I can adjust the PH at any time and the chiller looks after the temperature.I did my DWC in single Rubbermaid tubs so only used air pumps with a couple of 12" airstones in each tub. The bubbles popping soaked everything above the waterline really well. Thought of doing RDWC years ago but meh. All those connections that could leak and water pumps to plug up or break down kinda turned me off. With two tubs running I'd have two dual outlet aquarium pumps going with one line from each to each tub so if one broke down each would have one working airstone. The pumps would be plugged into different circuits so if a beaker blew for one the other pump could keep things aerated. Never had either problem happen but I was a good little boy scout and was prepared.
Maybe start a thread in the Hydroponics forum asking for pump ideas. Bound to be a few experienced users in there.
I got one of these other air pumps using a multi hose manifold that could probably do 4 tubs. Still have my aquarium pumps for backup. No sprayers required with all that air. No holes below the waterline to leak either.
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I'll be making fem seeds I hope of the 30:1 CBD plants I plan to sprout soon so will keep you in mind once I have them. I will be having a couple lab tested but they were tested by the guy who sent me the seeds at over 20% CBD and close to 0.5% THC so something I could give my 96yo mom who also doesn't want a buzz. They are regular photoperiod seeds so will make some regs and use STS to make some fem versions too I hope.
OldMedUser
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I kinda came up with the design of my DWC tubs on my own back in 2001. When I make the holes for the net pots I also make a smaller hole to be able to access the nutes for taking samples for testing and adding or removing the water. To get the water out I used a drill pump with some plastic window screen over the end of the hose I'd put in there to suck out the water. They only cost about $15 and can suck 50L of water out of one of the tall tubs in just a few minutes. I eliminated the need for pH testing when AN came out with the pH Perfect tech in their nutes. What a time saver that is.
To pull out samples for testing pH and PPM I used a 60cc syringe with a foot or so of clear plastic tubing stuck on to the end.
One I made to do DWC SoG.
Another custom lid to do DWC ScroG using a DIY net pot made from a 2L plastic tobacco can to house a mother plant I switched from growing in the same size pot in ProMix to a single plant ScroG.
Just a few days after setting that up.
The drill pump which takes standard garden hose fittings so you could pump the waste water to a toilet or drain down the hall or out a window to the garden. Have to hang on tight to it when you start the drill or it will spin around but once it's running it's easy to hang on to.
The Older Guy
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That looks like it would work great. I can see how you can check the ph. What would you do to to change the ph? I'm guessing you pump the water out, adjust the ph and put it back. In the past I've used the drill pump and they do work good. Very good pic of the roots. Did you ever have any temperature problems?I kinda came up with the design of my DWC tubs on my own back in 2001. When I make the holes for the net pots I also make a smaller hole to be able to access the nutes for taking samples for testing and adding or removing the water. To get the water out I used a drill pump with some plastic window screen over the end of the hose I'd put in there to suck out the water. They only cost about $15 and can suck 50L of water out of one of the tall tubs in just a few minutes. I eliminated the need for pH testing when AN came out with the pH Perfect tech in their nutes. What a time saver that is.
To pull out samples for testing pH and PPM I used a 60cc syringe with a foot or so of clear plastic tubing stuck on to the end.
One I made to do DWC SoG.
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Another custom lid to do DWC ScroG using a DIY net pot made from a 2L plastic tobacco can to house a mother plant I switched from growing in the same size pot in ProMix to a single plant ScroG.
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Just a few days after setting that up.
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The drill pump which takes standard garden hose fittings so you could pump the waste water to a toilet or drain down the hall or out a window to the garden. Have to hang on tight to it when you start the drill or it will spin around but once it's running it's easy to hang on to.
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OldMedUser
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I used to just add a little pH down thru the hole. Hell of a lot of work pumping the water out to do that. I used 96% sulphuric acid to lower the pH from about 6.2 - 5.5 took about 4 or 5 drops in 50L of water. As the plants grew I'd just add small amounts of nutes with a syringe to get the ppm back up to target every 3 days when I topped it up with RO water first. Then test and adjust. Sometimes wouldn't even go down there for 3 or 4 days.
Then AN came out with pH Perfect nutes and I just had to test ppm and after a while go the whole grow without ever changing nutes. The ultimate lazy man's grow. Now if I could just train them damn cats to trim.
