Chronic Pain

SketchyGrower · Mar 31, 2012

bob harris said:
Sure, if I smoke enough I get mellow...but i don't medicate every day, I medicate on "off" days, when the traditional PD meds fall short. Nor do I have pain...I have spasm, tremors, muscle rigidity, fatigue, muscle atrophy, and reduced autonomic nerve response (I stand up..my brain never gets the message to my body..my blood pressure drops 40 points..I fall down if I'm not prepared...normal stands up..brain has relayed that message already, heart rate increase, blood vessels and artery's constrict slightly...no sudden drop in BP all's well.)

And yes, cannabis helps with all of those symptoms...at Least sativas with High Thc and Thcv values.

THCV is a regulator..it actually regulates many brain chemicals..that's why it's important in cannabis for treating neurological disorders.

So, what is different from your personal need for MJ and mine? or someone that gets relief from anxiety or panic attacks...ect? I don't know from personal experience that your medical condition is effected in a positive way from the use of MJ BUT, I do know it help's me! In my way of thinking.. why can't it work it's wonders on other conditions?

same holds for everyone that has a need...(whatever it maybe).... the person that downs a bottle of booze has the same needs to "get away" as a person that puff's a Joint. All them being different in thier own ways...but, in the end the same

Form what I have seen "albe it very little" you have some kind of problem.....(with the POT community) I'm curious to why and why if you do have such a problem you decided to join this site... (rollitup)... really does not scream MEdical to me... it screams POTHEADS..(in a good way

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Capt. Stickyfingers · Mar 31, 2012

bob harris said:
Well gee capt'n since I'm a cop I get my testing done at the crime lab....

Why not answer the question? If you're not lying then there is nothing to hide, right? Where do you get your testing done?

Timmahh · Mar 31, 2012

SketchyGrower said:
So, what is different from your personal need for MJ and mine? or someone that gets relief from anxiety or panic attacks...ect? I don't know from personal experience that your medical condition is effected in a positive way from the use of MJ BUT, I do know it help's me! In my way of thinking.. why can't it work it's wonders on other conditions?

same holds for everyone that has a need...(whatever it maybe).... the person that downs a bottle of booze has the same needs to "get away" as a person that puff's a Joint. All them being different in thier own ways...but, in the end the same

Form what I have seen "albe it very little" you have some kind of problem.....(with the POT community) I'm curious to why and why if you do have such a problem you decided to join this site... (rollitup)... really does not scream MEdical to me... it screams POTHEADS..(in a good way )

Well positioned statement. Aye Aye.

CharlieBud · Mar 31, 2012

bob harris said:
By far the most common need for medical cannabis (according to Joe Cain). No doubt cannabis helps with pain..but my question is: What should qualify as chronic pain when getting a med card?

Now, the reason I ask this, is that the vast majority of "stoners" who are using the med card to 'legalize" their use and allow them to grow..hide behind chronic pain as their ailment.

I have a couple of friends that have cards based on "chronic pain"...thing is, I've known them for years, and they never complained about pain, didn't see a doctor to help manage the pain, and basically showed no signs of having anything wrong with them until they wanted a med card.

So..wouldn't it be reasonable for the state to want med records showing ongoing treatment and a history of pain management before issuing a card for "pain"? See, one of the guys I know argues that he couldn't afford Doctors or prescriptions, so he suffered in silence. But he was able to pony up $200 bucks for a motel room Dr. certification..then spend $3000 setting up a grow room.

Do you think just maybe there are a lot pf people put there like him?

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

SketchyGrower said:
So, what is different from your personal need for MJ and mine? or someone that gets relief from anxiety or panic attacks...ect? I don't know from personal experience that your medical condition is effected in a positive way from the use of MJ BUT, I do know it help's me! In my way of thinking.. why can't it work it's wonders on other conditions?

same holds for everyone that has a need...(whatever it maybe).... the person that downs a bottle of booze has the same needs to "get away" as a person that puff's a Joint. All them being different in thier own ways...but, in the end the same

Form what I have seen "albe it very little" you have some kind of problem.....(with the POT community) I'm curious to why and why if you do have such a problem you decided to join this site... (rollitup)... really does not scream MEdical to me... it screams POTHEADS..(in a good way )

RUI as a whole does scream pot heads...but this one tiny part of it is for Medical discussion. I think cannabis is viable as treatment for many non approved illnesses ...PTSD, Depression, hell..give it to women during menopause...and I'm all for fighting to expand the law. But to simply rant and rave and say "don't change anything" is simply ridiculous. To make med cannabis about every possible civil rights issue is ridiculous.

Why not use a medical forum to work to better medical laws..rather than to bitch about everything else?

st0wandgrow · Mar 31, 2012

SketchyGrower said:
So, what is different from your personal need for MJ and mine? or someone that gets relief from anxiety or panic attacks...ect? I don't know from personal experience that your medical condition is effected in a positive way from the use of MJ BUT, I do know it help's me! In my way of thinking.. why can't it work it's wonders on other conditions?

same holds for everyone that has a need...(whatever it maybe).... the person that downs a bottle of booze has the same needs to "get away" as a person that puff's a Joint. All them being different in thier own ways...but, in the end the same

Form what I have seen "albe it very little" you have some kind of problem.....(with the POT community) I'm curious to why and why if you do have such a problem you decided to join this site... (rollitup)... really does not scream MEdical to me... it screams POTHEADS..(in a good way )

I agree sketchy. Marijuana gives people relief from symptoms, and improves a persons quality of life.

Bobs quality of life is no more important than mine, or anyone else's.

People really need to just mind their own damn business, imo. If we all followed the law, and worried about our own shit life would be a whole lot less stressful.

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
Why not answer the question? If you're not lying then there is nothing to hide, right? Where do you get your testing done?

Capt'n..it is tested out of State..you see I can't find a Michigan lab that bothers to include ThCV..though it sounds like a couple are working on it...so yes..it has traveled across state lines..to a friend in Cali. So IAM A CRIMINAL..feel better?

With thcv being part of what I need...I had no choice..arrest me and put me in jail...How come I get the feeling if I gave you The exact lab, the techs phone number, and the printed report...it still wouldn't be good enough for you?

Stop with your "baiting"...I nibbled, I gave you photos of everything you asked for...not enough...Sorry, to prove anything more to you gets far too close to giving out personal info.

SketchyGrower · Mar 31, 2012

st0wandgrow said:
I agree sketchy. Marijuana gives people relief from symptoms, and improves a persons quality of life.

Bobs quality of life is no more important than mine, or anyone else's.

People really need to just mind their own damn business, imo. If we all followed the law, and worried about our own shit life would be a whole lot less stressful.

True, quality of life should be the focus and not the "dangers" of marijuana... the only thing in danger is your diet

bob harris said:
RUI as a whole does scream pot heads...but this one tiny part of it is for Medical discussion. I think cannabis is viable as treatment for many non approved illnesses ...PTSD, Depression, hell..give it to women during menopause...and I'm all for fighting to expand the law. But to simply rant and rave and say "don't change anything" is simply ridiculous. To make med cannabis about every possible civil rights issue is ridiculous.

Why not use a medical forum to work to better medical laws..rather than to bitch about everything else?

Truth! why I try not to do to much ranting..try.. this part of the argument is always going to get sloppy as "opinions are like asshole, everyone thinks everyone else's stinks"

Capt. Stickyfingers · Mar 31, 2012

bob harris said:
Capt'n..it is tested out of State..you see I can't find a Michigan lab that bothers to include ThCV..though it sounds like a couple are working on it...so yes..it has traveled across state lines..to a friend in Cali. So IAM A CRIMINAL..feel better?

With thcv being part of what I need...I had no choice..arrest me and put me in jail...How come I get the feeling if I gave you The exact lab, the techs phone number, and the printed report...it still wouldn't be good enough for you?

Stop with your "baiting"...I nibbled, I gave you photos of everything you asked for...not enough...Sorry, to prove anything more to you gets far too close to giving out personal info.

Lol. You're full of shit. You lie worse than my 10 year old son.

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
Lol. You're full of shit. You lie worse than my 10 year old son.

Which was your pre determined answer when you started asking me questions...Couldn't catch me with my pants down..so you yell "liar" with no proof whatsoever.

Test or no test results (which I do Have) Does that grow room look like one that is going to produce swag? Did it look like an uneducated attempt at growing..or more like a room with a lot of thought and proper equipment?
$3500 (guessing..I'd have to add it up) in grow equipment, Huge electric bill to run 1800 watts in flower, and another 400 in veg...does it look like I'm growing swag for profit?

I'd say it looks like I'm trying to get max potential from a sativa...to use as meds..

Capt. Stickyfingers · Mar 31, 2012

I did catch you with your pants down and your own dick in your mouth. The shit you say is so unbelievable it's funny that you expect it to fly.

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
I did catch you with your pants down and your own dick in your mouth. The shit you say is so unbelievable it's funny that you expect it to fly.

Then why is it you that won't answer a simple question? Test results or no...does that room look like it's set up to grow swag?
Or quality? I mean I answerd a ton of questions for you...and provided photos...now you can't answer one little question?

Capt. Stickyfingers · Mar 31, 2012

I can grow dank with half that equipment, who said anything about swag except you? I think those photos of that grow room are pics from a raid that you participated in.

SketchyGrower · Mar 31, 2012

Bob, you could have 10,000 watts and all the bells that come with it....don't mean it would produce quality.... Just my experience talking

Timmahh · Mar 31, 2012

bob harris said:
Then why is it you that won't answer a simple question? Test results or no...does that room look like it's set up to grow swag?
Or quality? I mean I answerd a ton of questions for you...and provided photos...now you can't answer one little question?

yes its a fucking mess and a fire hazard waiting to happen bob. its low mental capacity dolts like you posting pictures of that fucking nighmare you call a grow area. Like I said, seeing shit like that, Id support Grow OP inspections by the state too.

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
I can grow dank with half that equipment, who said anything about swag except you? I think those photos of that grow room are pics from a raid that you participated in.

Whatever you say...ummm..you brought up swag...way back when you were giving credit to pot heads for breeding.

So..I could put a bic lighter on one of the hoods and take a new pic...just to show you that room is up and running..what color would you like....

And are you going to answer that one simple question..or run from it like a girl?

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

SketchyGrower said:
Bob, you could have 10,000 watts and all the bells that come with it....don't mean it would produce quality.... Just my experience talking

I agree completely. But there isn';t anyone producing true med quality with their CFL grow...Equipment and genetics only offer potential. Quality lies in the hand of the grwoer..I'v said that a milloion times..

Capt. Stickyfingers · Mar 31, 2012

bob harris said:
Whatever you say...ummm..you brought up swag...way back when you were giving credit to pot heads for breeding.

So..I could put a bic lighter on one of the hoods and take a new pic...just to show you that room is up and running..what color would you like....

And are you going to answer that one simple question..or run from it like a girl?

...........Orange

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

Timmahh said:
yes its a fucking mess and a fire hazard waiting to happen bob. its low mental capacity dolts like you posting pictures of that fucking nighmare you call a grow area. Like I said, seeing shit like that, Id support Grow OP inspections by the state too.

Oh timmahh...3 circuits, 45 amps..wires looped and secured...it's far from a fire hazard. You just find it impossible to say..wow, nice set up. or to concerned anything when you are dis agreed with...

I could get you into see my shrink...he may be able to help with you condition...

bob harris · Mar 31, 2012

Capt. Stickyfingers said:
...........Orange

You got it..have to go buy an orange bic..so, will you back off if I do this for you...or just say I posed the question because I'm so tricky that I already had pictures with every color bic taken at the sight of the bust?

Want something of your choosing, rather than a bic? Two..both different colors?

will you finally give a fucking inch if I do this for you?

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