chrysanhemum INFO

okay im wondering are they a photoperiod plant?
how much space do they normally take up?
does anybody have any exp. extracting and stabilizing pyrethrum?

do marigold have anyplace as a pesticide if extracted?

Lemme see.....................I could plant some mums and get them all healthy and stuff. Then do a lot of reading in books on organic chemistry and build my own chem lab in my non-existant basement and bottle the stuff up. OR! I could just spemd about $10.00 and go buy some. HMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmm...................?

Shit ..that's no fun. You have to experiment.

mtgeezer said:

Lemme see.....................I could plant some mums and get them all healthy and stuff. Then do a lot of reading in books on organic chemistry and build my own chem lab in my non-existant basement and bottle the stuff up. OR! I could just spemd about $10.00 and go buy some. HMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmm...................?

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hmmm im a lot more advanced than that and it doesnt take a lab for simple extractions.....making shit like GA or NAA requires a lab. and spend 10$ on some less than 1% solution fuck that i may as well cut my 10 bucks into little pieces and pay your mom for her services.


no but seriously people, if anybody has found some good extraction articles let me know. id rather make my own shit in my non existant basement, what a chump, you make me laugh.

marigolds are an excellent pesticide, its a secret method passed down by my family, i companion grow with them and they do very well as a pesticide when the flowers are sprinkled over your top soil or leaves, or added to your foliar spray, i have heard of boiling the flowers as a way to extract pyrethrum but i have not tried it. they flower under 14 hours of light as well as 12, im not sure about any higher then that but im sure they do, they're really easy to clone as well.

crazyhazey said:

marigolds are an excellent pesticide, its a secret method passed down by my family, i companion grow with them and they do very well as a pesticide when the flowers are sprinkled over your top soil or leaves, or added to your foliar spray, i have heard of boiling the flowers as a way to extract pyrethrum but i have not tried it. they flower under 14 hours of light as well as 12, im not sure about any higher then that but im sure they do, they're really easy to clone as well.

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you can extract it with water but lower temps are better since it will degrade. from what im told your supposed to steep in warm/semi hot water.
thats good info about the marigolds. do you know what is in them? or an extraction method for them?(if you just do water thats fine,its a good method i just want concentration, im gonna use tannic acid and mineral oils to help preserve it)

of and plus rep for sure.

polyarcturus said:

you can extract it with water but lower temps are better since it will degrade. from what im told your supposed to steep in warm/semi hot water.
thats good info about the marigolds. do you know what is in them? or an extraction method for them?(if you just do water thats fine,its a good method i just want concentration, im gonna use tannic acid and mineral oils to help preserve it)

of and plus rep for sure.

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may give it a try, as for another extraction method im not too sure, i bet some experienced gardeners could answer that one, it always helps to talk to people on the forums where they dont grow weed, those people have some very valuable information.
but i honestly just throw it into my spritzer bottle with a few drops of canola oil to soak up the pyrethrum, and some diced garlic. come flower time, i only use the canola on fan leaves and the outsides of my pots(it works as somewhat of fly paper, but its safe for plants, not so sure about buds but im sure a small concentration wouldnt hurt if you gave them a good spray with normal water after it), and a small amount of neem mixed in with the marigold flowers, i have used garlic but i gave them a good spray afterwards. the mint plant is also good as an organicide and works well when companion growing, i may try it with a garlic plant too.
also i occasionally boil peppers and strain it with cheese cloth then add that to my foliar spray, only in the event i get an infestation.

i grabbed some mint for companion growing and will be getting some rhizotonic basil going again. i though about garlic hot pepper and several other things but i dont like messing with my smells or tatses.

the whole reason im after another extraction methods is so i can make a pyrethrum spay with only water and pyrethrum(and maybe some residue from extraction) for late flower so it will decay quickly and wash away b4 harvest or even on the day of harvest. the main problem with pyrethrin sprays you buy is the oils and oils really shouldn't be used after mid flower. oils are great! but the test isnt, given that it did not decay completely b4 harvest.

polyarcturus said:

i grabbed some mint for companion growing and will be getting some rhizotonic basil going again. i though about garlic hot pepper and several other things but i dont like messing with my smells or tatses.

the whole reason im after another extraction methods is so i can make a pyrethrum spay with only water and pyrethrum(and maybe some residue from extraction) for late flower so it will decay quickly and wash away b4 harvest or even on the day of harvest. the main problem with pyrethrin sprays you buy is the oils and oils really shouldn't be used after mid flower. oils are great! but the test isnt, given that it did not decay completely b4 harvest.

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the whole smell thing goes away with a good spray of regular water, i grow outdoor and i sometimes spray this before a good rain so it all washes away, best thing you can do is spray the fan leaves and top soil and hope for the best, in my experiences neem, pyrethrum and mint dont affect the smell or taste of the buds, pepper and garlic however may leave some smell, but not if you give them a good spray after. make sure you hit the bottoms of the leaves especially when spraying this stuff. i agree though, oils arent the best for flower, why i try not to use canola on the buds after the 3rd week.

As far as companion plants go i know rosemary keeps mites away but the extracts suck at killing them. Azadiractin is best to get rid of em. Idk about mums but my mother has some and cant keep em alive, so im lookin into it

yeha i know im breaking down and buying some azamax next week, but actually i have moved past this pretty far im on to extraction now. i doing 3 things rigjht now, finding a source for plant material to work with, learning about different solvents and extraction methods, and buying a batch of bubble bags just for the purpose.(some extracts will have to be done with water) then as far as pressing and grinding im sure i can DIY my way around most things, i am thing of setting up a pressurized sytem for my liquid solvents like acetone and alcohol.

here this is the most up to date info about chemdawg i coul find
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/180885-merry-prankstrs-tale-four-chemdogs.html

nothing about the pheno though but from wha ti can tell from looking avarios pics it definatly has a mixture of diesel bubblegum and even possibly of similar origin as C99, the only reason i say this is ive seen varying pic which is not surprising, and it would also matter which of the cut of chemdawg you got(a,b,c, ect)

but the phenos appear to have a wide range from fox tailing massive calyxes like bubble gum, to tight dense frosty diesel looking, alot if this has to do with the growr appearience can be decieveing but they all had a gold tint to thier buds that easily mad it more identifiable, but i saw some primo pics when i was looking aroung and it had some orange hairs and just a super fresh look that reminded me of C99. since i have tasted OGkush i can say i have some idea of the chemdawg taste and that would be nothing like C99. hmm, ill look into more when i free time.

love those mums. one of my favs is a hybrid perennial called 'Ryan'. pink petals, yellow eye. blooms around halloween.
i have no experience extracting pyrethroids but i did an experiment to see if i could extract ricin from the castor oil plant and yes it worked. it's ironic that i can't grow cannabis which in the history of the world has never hurt anyone. but i can grow castor oil plant legally (ricinus communis), extract the toxic protein ricin with acetone, and kill anyone who crosses my path with nothing more than a prick from the end of a sharpened umbrella dipped in the powder. odd world we live in isn't it?

yes it is :/ how have you been since all that shit man? im glad your still doing the horticulture thing. but yeah this world is pretty pisspoor with the quality of people living in it anymore.

a strange thing happened...i found a caretakers job on craigs list. i manage a 16 acre property in west chester pa. i pay no rent to live in their carraige house. i rented my home out to a very nice young girl and her six year old son. i had to do that in case things go south for me when sentencing comes. if it comes. the mortgage on my home has to be paid and she will pay that whether i'm locked up or not. this job is a cake walk. and if i come through this bs unscathed there is enough room on this property to grow 50 lbs a year. no one ever comes here. my closest neighbor across the street has 432 acres. if i can grow again i will do it with top notch DVR/IR cameras so i can watch it from my ipad 24/7. if i can do that for a few years my original plan was to make enough to retire to Belize. i don't need that much. i live a humble lifestyle. thanks for asking.

well that sounds fucking awesome(minus he jail part) and dude if you ever need a hard worker for you 50lb a year job hit me up

i personally hope you come out of the shit unscathed because what happened was uncalled for.... i personally dont see how a good lawyer couldnt get you a very very minimum sentence just based on the situation, but i do say if your gonna get caught you got caught the most legitimate way. nobody ever knew, no problems with the neighbors just plain ol bad luck.

did you ever figure out how those guys(robbers) got clued into what was going on?

yup...i know who the snitch is and so does my inner circle. the cops don't know though. i am having a branding iron made up now with the word SNITCH on it. and as he is held down i will personally make sure he never forgets what he did to me and he will wear what i will do to him for the rest of his life...i'll take pix...just you wait...

i hope so buddy, i dont know wtf they where thinking fucking up your shit like that..... but you should outsource, if you do i would definitely require pics.
lol good shit man.

but god damn i hope he gets it.

I found out its chemdawg #4 the only indica pheno. Thats wrong tho. Og and sour diesel are chemdawgs offspring, but they yield less. And even tho green house calls it chemdawg, sour d and og crossed is headband i believe

im not the expert on chemdawg. but ill keep the info in mind.

Whatchu grow?