Chuckers paradise......

silverhazefiend

silverhazefiend

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Good read

there’s a big thread on this at the mag and it talks about it from like the 1600s and sativa.. it’s a lot to follow so u have to re read and get a understanding

The plants believed to be pure indica are usually grown in places sativas can’t survive .. but I think it’s saying there were once sativa that acclimated to the region thru hybrids and natural selection.. this stuff is above me so I’m trying to follow myself
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Mohican said:
They use the old Sativa/Indica nomenclature, which we have used for almost a hundred years. It may not be scientifically accurate, however, it does give us a common language for communicating traits.
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This is it right here . It’s like saying strain instead of cultivar it varietal, or pistils and calyxs instead of stigmas and bracts. There is often terms that don’t get fully used correctly but aren’t incorrect in such a way it really matters in the big picture.
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Bakersfield said:
It's the same with most plants including corn.
There was wild corn and through intraspecific hybridization we've ended up with the varieties we have today.
Hybrids between 2 species within the same genus, Interspecific hybridization, are very often sterile, like the mule, a horse and donkey combo.
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The interesting thing about intraspecific hybrids to me is the amount of DNA variance between subspecies.

Some of what are currently defined as subspecies’ have large differences in DNA, closer to species level standards. Other subspecies are almost indistinguishable from each other in DNA barcode analyses. The Cannabis subsp. delta is on the small side, for what it is worth.

The other problem is that nobody can reliably point to a plant that looks for all the world to be indica and say that the genotype will agree. We are line breeding mostly for, and using, chemotype and morphology.

I feel like the word “hybrid” is often meant, and/or understood, as a pejorative in our hobby and it bugs me.

I fucking love you nerds. What @Mohican said about a common language is true, and day to day I don’t bring this shit up, but y’all are a good crowd.
 
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Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Thundercat said:
This is it right here . It’s like saying strain instead of cultivar it varietal, or pistils and calyxs instead of stigmas and bracts. There is often terms that don’t get fully used correctly but aren’t incorrect in such a way it really matters in the big picture.
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Fight me about pistils and stigma any day, lol, I think it matters more than indica vs sativa, lol
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Mohican said:
They use the old Sativa/Indica nomenclature, which we have used for almost a hundred years. It may not be scientifically accurate, however, it does give us a common language for communicating traits.
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And that seedfinder site is probably the best provenance data we have in the game today, I agree. Hard to use, not hard science, but it is something! You grow pot with the seed data you have, not the seed data you want.
 
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18six50

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Michael Huntherz said:
The interesting thing about intraspecific hybrids to me is the amount of DNA variance between subspecies.

Some of what are currently defined as subspecies’ have large differences in DNA, closer to species level standards. Other subspecies are almost indistinguishable from each other in DNA barcode analyses. The Cannabis subsp. delta is on the small side, for what it is worth.

The other problem is that nobody can reliably point to a plant that looks for all the world to be indica and say that the genotype will agree. We are line breeding mostly for, and using, chemotype and morphology.

I feel like the word “hybrid” is often meant, and/or understood, as a pejorative in our hobby and it bugs me.

I fucking love you nerds. What @Mohican said about a common language is true, and day to day I don’t bring this shit up, but y’all are a good crowd.
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I enjoy talking about anything to do with growing and I'm not afraid to learn anything from anyone, knowledge is power. What I know is a lot from experience but so is a lot of the bro lore out there. A lot of guys like me grew in a vacuum for years and that's not a great way to learn anything. And although the better breeders that I've been around are as meticulous as they can be, it's still very limiting. And when I push back at anything anyone says just take it as a challenge to prove me wrong and as a challenge to dig deeper and learn more too.

I've got Super Thick skin and don't take offense from someone who's just trying to teach me something. I hope nobody here takes offense at anything I say when I pop in with my advice and of course if I say something wrong feel free to correct me so that people here have the straight dope. (lol)
 
Mim Towls

Mim Towls

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I wanna thank everyone involved in this thread for doing what ya'll do, and the putting the work/time in to share your info with all us LURKERS. Every time I feel like I'm really "doing something" in my garden, I can take a quick stroll through here and realize ya'll BEEN doing it for a loooong time. Here's my first ever chuck of AK47 x Vanilla Gorilla at 7 weeks.
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idlewilder

idlewilder

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Mim Towls said:
I wanna thank everyone involved in this thread for doing what ya'll do, and the putting the work/time in to share your info with all us LURKERS. Every time I feel like I'm really "doing something" in my garden, I can take a quick stroll through here and realize ya'll BEEN doing it for a loooong time. Here's my first ever chuck of AK47 x Vanilla Gorilla at 7 weeks.
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Looks great! What kind of smells are you getting?
 
Mohican

Mohican

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I had a Mulanje x Mozambique that smelled like Bubblicious bubblegum on the plant and smelled like cat piss in the drying rack. Later, cured in the jar, it smelled like pineapple and black pepper.

@Michael Huntherz - have you seen this:

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phylos.bio

Search the Phylos Galaxy

Search the largest evolutionary map of cannabis with genetic insights for thousands of varieties from over 80 countries.
phylos.bio phylos.bio

Cheers,
Mo
 
genuity

genuity

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Mohican said:
I had a Mulanje x Mozambique that smelled like Bubblicious bubblegum on the plant and smelled like cat piss in the drying rack. Later, cured in the jar, it smelled like pineapple and black pepper.

@Michael Huntherz - have you seen this:

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phylos.bio

Search the Phylos Galaxy

Search the largest evolutionary map of cannabis with genetic insights for thousands of varieties from over 80 countries.
phylos.bio phylos.bio

Cheers,
Mo
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This was very interesting in the beginning.
 
Mohican

Mohican

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Holy shit! You can grow plants from stems. Ever heard of stem cells?

That is so wrong. I need to get in touch with the cannabis professor at UCI and see whether we could start our own DNA database, protected from Bayer.

We need a reliable way to know what strains we are breeding. Stoners tales are not always the best resource. Although sometimes they are very good. :weed:
 
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