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MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
I mean this with the best intentions. Just want to point out that Ron Paul is a raving racist of the worst sort. Also that libertarian doesn't really mean freedom. It means freedom for employers and large companies to do and say whatever they want. Libertarians object to laws that prevent an employer from demanding sex whether penetrative or oral as a condition of employment. Also pretty much rules out not only legal protections for civil rights of workers but also pollution, zoning laws, safety, all sorts of other regulatory practices.

It's pretty much a made up idea that fits quite well with the designs of the wealthy on everybody else in this society.

Have you spent much time going through the shit on the Mises institutes' web page?
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The things you mentioned are supposed to be sorted out at the state level as far as I understand. I am not an anarchist. Ron Paul is not a racist. You are misled on that. Thank you for being civil.
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
The things you mentioned are supposed to be sorted out at the state level as far as I understand. I am not an anarchist. Ron Paul is not a racist. You are misled on that. Thank you for being civil.
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"supposed to be sorted out at the state level"

Not really. The courts have upheld federal civil rights laws. They are the law of the land for good reason too.

MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Ron Paul is not a racist. You are misled on that. Thank you for being civil.
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Ron Paul's newsletter -- I mean the newsletter that is in his name and that he owns is full of racist, homophobic and antisemitic viewpoints and essays. It's completely fair to call him racist for endorsing these essays by allowing them to be published in a newsletter that is in his name without any attempt to counter the racist and bigoted bias. If he writes like a racist, talks like a racist and publishes like a racist, he is racist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters
The newsletters drew attention for controversial content when raised as a campaign issue by Paul's opponent in the 1996 Congressional election, Charles "Lefty" Morris.[7]

Many articles in these newsletters contained statements that were criticized as racist or homophobic. These statements include, "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."[8][9][10][11] An October 1992 article said, "even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense... for the animals are coming."[12] Another newsletter suggested that black activists who wanted to rename New York City after Martin Luther King, Jr. should instead rename it "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," or "Lazyopolis."[2] An article titled "The Pink House" said "I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."[2][13][14] Another newsletter asserted that HIV-positive homosexuals "enjoy the pity and attention that comes with being sick" and approved of the slogan "Sodomy=Death."[2]

A number of the newsletters criticized civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr., calling him a pedophile and "lying socialist satyr".[2][15] These articles told readers that Paul had voted against making Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday a federal public holiday, saying "Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day."[2][16][17] During the 2008 and 2012 presidential election campaigns, Paul and his supporters said that the passages denouncing King were not a reflection of Paul's own views because he considers King a "hero".[18][19][20]

In a January 2008 article in The New Republic, James Kirchick, who studied hundreds of Paul's newsletters held at the Kenneth Spencer Research Library at the University of Kansas, and at the Wisconsin Historical Society, wrote that the newsletters "reveal decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays".[2][21] The newsletters also criticized the state of Israel. One investment letter called Israel "an aggressive, national socialist state"; a 1990 newsletter discussed the "tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to work for the Mossad in their area of expertise"; one quoted a "Jewish friend" who said the 1993 World Trade Center bombing was a "setup by the Israeli Mossad".[2]
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
"supposed to be sorted out at the state level"

Not really. The courts have upheld federal civil rights laws. They are the law of the land for good reason too.



Ron Paul's newsletter -- I mean the newsletter that is in his name and that he owns is full of racist, homophobic and antisemitic viewpoints and essays. It's completely fair to call him racist for endorsing these essays by allowing them to be published in a newsletter that is in his name without any attempt to counter the racist and bigoted bias. If he writes like a racist, talks like a racist and publishes like a racist, he is racist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters
The newsletters drew attention for controversial content when raised as a campaign issue by Paul's opponent in the 1996 Congressional election, Charles "Lefty" Morris.[7]

Many articles in these newsletters contained statements that were criticized as racist or homophobic. These statements include, "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."[8][9][10][11] An October 1992 article said, "even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense... for the animals are coming."[12] Another newsletter suggested that black activists who wanted to rename New York City after Martin Luther King, Jr. should instead rename it "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," or "Lazyopolis."[2] An article titled "The Pink House" said "I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."[2][13][14] Another newsletter asserted that HIV-positive homosexuals "enjoy the pity and attention that comes with being sick" and approved of the slogan "Sodomy=Death."[2]

A number of the newsletters criticized civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr., calling him a pedophile and "lying socialist satyr".[2][15] These articles told readers that Paul had voted against making Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday a federal public holiday, saying "Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day."[2][16][17] During the 2008 and 2012 presidential election campaigns, Paul and his supporters said that the passages denouncing King were not a reflection of Paul's own views because he considers King a "hero".[18][19][20]

In a January 2008 article in The New Republic, James Kirchick, who studied hundreds of Paul's newsletters held at the Kenneth Spencer Research Library at the University of Kansas, and at the Wisconsin Historical Society, wrote that the newsletters "reveal decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays".[2][21] The newsletters also criticized the state of Israel. One investment letter called Israel "an aggressive, national socialist state"; a 1990 newsletter discussed the "tens of thousands of well-placed friends of Israel in all countries who are willing to work for the Mossad in their area of expertise"; one quoted a "Jewish friend" who said the 1993 World Trade Center bombing was a "setup by the Israeli Mossad".[2]
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Are you familiar with any ideas? Like political ideas? Other than trying to make someone look racist, I mean.
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Are you familiar with any ideas? Like political ideas? Other than trying to make someone look racist, I mean.
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I'm not trying to make you look racist. You said you wanted to discuss the ideology the the great racist Ron Paul and libertarian ideals. Libertarian ideology is just a made up construct to legitimize dismantling civil rights laws and make it easier for people with money to do whatever they like. Ron Paul was a fucking racist. It's not really possible to go past these things without you convincing me otherwise. I posted my reasons for calling Ron Paul a racist. You can agree that you were wrong in your assessment of him or you can agree you are racist. It's up to you.
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
I'm not trying to make you look racist. You said you wanted to discuss the ideology the the great racist Ron Paul and libertarian ideals. Libertarian ideology is just a made up construct to legitimize dismantling civil rights laws and make it easier for people with money to do whatever they like. Ron Paul was a fucking racist. It's not really possible to go past these things without you convincing me otherwise. I posted my reasons for calling Ron Paul a racist. You can agree that you were wrong in your assessment of him or you can agree you are racist. It's up to you.
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You are wrong in your assessment. Of Ron Paul, of libertarianism, of the topic of the conversation, of what name calling is. Your assessment is wrong, and based on old newsletters that the man did not write. I invite you to do something other than call people racist. Tomorrow. Thank you.
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
You are wrong in your assessment. Of Ron Paul, of libertarianism, of the topic of the conversation, of what name calling is. Your assessment is wrong, and based on old newsletters that the man did not write. I invite you to do something other than call people racist. Tomorrow. Thank you.
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This is true because you say so?
Ron Paul never disowned or apologized for the content of those newsletters. They contained blatant white supremacist propaganda. Don't believe me, believe direct copy from the newsletter. Previous posts in this thread contain examples Oh, and why did you bring up libertarian if you didn't want to discuss it?

Now then, you want to talk about how bad authoritarians are? How about Trump? Kind of a shitty authoritarian, isn't he? How about that Putin? Is it Nicaragua and Ortega that you want to talk about?
 
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Fogdog said:
I mean this with the best intentions. Just want to point out that Ron Paul is a raving racist of the worst sort. Also that libertarian doesn't really mean freedom. It means freedom for employers and large companies to do and say whatever they want. Libertarians object to laws that prevent an employer from demanding sex whether penetrative or oral as a condition of employment. Also pretty much rules out not only legal protections for civil rights of workers but also pollution, zoning laws, safety, all sorts of other regulatory practices.

It's pretty much a made up idea that fits quite well with the designs of the wealthy on everybody else in this society.

Have you spent much time going through the shit on the Mises institutes' web page?
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+rep:clap:
 
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