cloning help. no room to house a single mother so im thinking of cloning as i go????

im running a perpetual operation in my closet but i dont have space to house a single mother plant.

so what i have come up with in my head was an idea to take 2-3 cuttings from the best looking plant i have on day 25-30. then continue to grow and harvest that plant. then the clones i will also take 2-3 cuttings from on day 25-30, and then continue to grow and harvest those plants as well. then repeat, repeat, repeat. do you get the idea here?

so my question to you guys is what sort of drawbrack or downside is there to cloning "as you go" rather then housing a single mother plant and taking cutting from her? my intuition tells me perhaps it isnt healthy to take cuttings from a plant that you plan on growing to harvest. maybe less yield??? high stress/slow growth after the cuttings??? ive never done this before so all forms of advice here is going to be helpful.

THANKS SO MUCH PLEASE LEAVE ME SOME ADVICE

ALSO,

will there be any sort of genetic diluting that occurs due to this method of cloning?? if so what are going to be the effects of this?

i dont know about genetic diluting. but i too do not have the room for mothers so i clone as i go for a few runs then get another strain

You will be fine. Just take the cuttings before you flip 12/12.

Closetgardner said:

i dont know about genetic diluting. but i too do not have the room for mothers so i clone as i go for a few runs then get another strain

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hey thanks for the input. and yeah i think this will also be exactly what i end up doing. cloning a few then switching my strain.

IMO, For rigt now you shoud be okay. A clone has the SAME exact DNA structure as it come from itself.
If scientists were to clone a 100 year old person, I'm guessing that person having the same DNA "might" pick up some other parts in it's structure and be passed along. What you need is a scientific answer. Sounds to me like this is a subject that has had a fair amount of thinking. I'll follow this post becasue I'd like to know for myelf - I just started growing Sweet Tooth and love the way it thrives (also supposed to have good yield and kick so I'd like to begin cloning it for about 90% of my grows.

adower said:

You will be fine. Just take the cuttings before you flip 12/12.

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well because i am running a 12/12 photo period from birth im pretty sure my plants will reach "sexual maturity" before the age of 25-30.

so question .. if you take cuttings from a plant that already believes its time to flower ... what kind of problems am i gonna have with that clone? any? because im pretty sure it will actually be impossible for me to take a cutting from a plant that hasnt starting flowering yet due to the fact that there wont even be anything to cut untill around day 20-30 and by then its probably too late to still call it "vegging". it will probably show sex before then

Medicine4Me said:

IMO, For rigt now you shoud be okay. A clone has the SAME exact DNA structure as it come from itself.
If scientists were to clone a 100 year old person, I'm guessing that person having the same DNA "might" pick up some other parts in it's structure and be passed along. What you need is a scientific answer. Sounds to me like this is a subject that has had a fair amount of thinking. I'll follow this post becasue I'd like to know for myelf - I just started growing Sweet Tooth and love the way it thrives (also supposed to have good yield and kick so I'd like to begin cloning it for about 90% of my grows.

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and im guessing you dont have the room to accommodate a mother either eh?

anyone else got anything to add?

I feel like something about this won't work as well as you're thinking it will... Maybe I'm just high (I am. I'm definitely high.) and it's not registering properly... but to me it seems like if you took cuttings off a plant that's 'vegging' until it preflowers, (which wouldn't be a lot of clones) there wouldn't really be anything perpetual about it. If all of your clones are running in the same cab, they would essentially flower at the same rate? I would think you'd lose out on yield a lot instead of just growing a single big plant.

Now if you actually vegged a 'mother' for a long enough time to see pre flowers, you'd be able to get a lot more clones out of a single plant AND have your bushy 'mother' to all be switched to flower together. Seems like if you got enough clones out of her it would be like topping and keeping all of your tops to add to your yield.

Again, maybe it's the weed talking, but this whole thing just makes me start thinking way harder than I should be.

trevronious said:

I feel like something about this won't work as well as you're thinking it will... Maybe I'm just high (I am. I'm definitely high.) and it's not registering properly... but to me it seems like if you took cuttings off a plant that's 'vegging' until it preflowers, (which wouldn't be a lot of clones) there wouldn't really be anything perpetual about it. If all of your clones are running in the same cab, they would essentially flower at the same rate? I would think you'd lose out on yield a lot instead of just growing a single big plant.

Now if you actually vegged a 'mother' for a long enough time to see pre flowers, you'd be able to get a lot more clones out of a single plant AND have your bushy 'mother' to all be switched to flower together. Seems like if you got enough clones out of her it would be like topping and keeping all of your tops to add to your yield.

Again, maybe it's the weed talking, but this whole thing just makes me start thinking way harder than I should be.

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hey thanks for your input but yeah bro i dont think you really understand where im coming from here. hahaha. based off what you just said i dont think you understand my situation properly at all. lol

.. see i already have 2 rooms for growing. one for babies/clones and one for flowering. but im running 12/12 from seed so both my T-5's and HPS are on the same schedule.

lets say i start a seed under the T-5's .. around day 14 i transplant to bigger pot and put it under the HPS. a few days later its showing sex ... around day 20-30 it has grown enough to take a cutting from. im going to take this cutting and put it BACK under the T-5's .. when its ready (a week or so) ill put it BACK under the HPS .. then when its grown enough ill take a cutting from it and put that clone BACK under the T-5's ... then when its ready (a week or so) ill put it BACK under the HPS. then when its grown enough ill take a cutting and put that cutting BACK under the T-5's ... and then when .. LOL. do u get what im saying??

im cloning "as i go" in a perpetual style grow and each plant i take cuttings from will continue its life untill harvest.

and my question is what sort of drawbacks (if any) will there be from A. cloning in this manner .. B. taking cuttings from a plant that has already started flowering .. and C. taking cuttings from a plant and then trying to continue growing that plant for a harvest ??

thothmegistus said:

hey thanks for your input but yeah bro i dont think you really understand where im coming from here. hahaha. based off what you just said i dont think you understand my situation properly at all. lol

.. see i already have 2 rooms for growing. one for babies/clones and one for flowering. but im running 12/12 from seed so both my T-5's and HPS are on the same schedule.

lets say i start a seed under the T-5's .. around day 14 i transplant to bigger pot and put it under the HPS. a few days later its showing sex ... around day 20-30 it has grown enough to take a cutting from. im going to take this cutting and put it BACK under the T-5's .. when its ready (a week or so) ill put it BACK under the HPS .. then when its grown enough ill take a cutting from it and put that clone BACK under the T-5's ... then when its ready (a week or so) ill put it BACK under the HPS. then when its grown enough ill take a cutting and put that cutting BACK under the T-5's ... and then when .. LOL. do u get what im saying??

im cloning "as i go" in a perpetual style grow and each plant i take cuttings from will continue its life untill harvest.

and my question is what sort of drawbacks (if any) will there be from A. cloning in this manner .. B. taking cuttings from a plant that has already started flowering .. and C. taking cuttings from a plant and then trying to continue growing that plant for a harvest ??

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Right. I was in the mindset you only had a single space to grow. Lethal combo.

That being said, you'll be fine cloning this way. The rooting will take longer, but it will work no problem.

Problem #1 It is difficult to get a clone to root if the donor mother is less than 4-5 weeks old. Most plants are only vegged 4-5 weeks. So either
you time it just right, every time, or you keep a clone mother.

My main clone mother is in a 7-quart pot. Plant is just 19 inches tall and is about the size of a basketball. That's all. You don't need a huge space
to keep a clone mother around. My gal can provide 6-10 clones a week if called upon to do so. My perp. grow set-up only needs 1-3 clones a week
to keep me going.

BigSteve.

bigsteve said:

Problem #1 It is difficult to get a clone to root if the donor mother is less than 4-5 weeks old. Most plants are only vegged 4-5 weeks. So either
you time it just right, every time, or you keep a clone mother.

My main clone mother is in a 7-quart pot. Plant is just 19 inches tall and is about the size of a basketball. That's all. You don't need a huge space
to keep a clone mother around. My gal can provide 6-10 clones a week if called upon to do so. My perp. grow set-up only needs 1-3 clones a week
to keep me going.

BigSteve.

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so then your saying it actually is BEST to take cuttings from a plant that is already in flower? because you mentioned it would be best to take clones after 4-5 weeks of age. and as you even said yourself, most plants are veg'd less then 4 weeks. so the cutting usually takes place after veg then huh?

can you please explain from your experience taking/rooting clones that are taken from a mother in veg vs a mother in flower?

one more thing.. taking clones from a plant and then continuing to grow that plant for harvest. what kind of setbacks usually come up when doing this?

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT BTW

@thothmegistus - ideally clones are taken from a plant that is in veg state, if you take a clone from a flowering plant it has to revert back to the veg state which will delay growth. Now with that said I don't know how a clone would react with 12/12 lighting. If you don't revert the clone back to a veg light cycle I think chances are it will continue to try an flower and will die off around the same time the mother plant would. I'm not sure on this so though so you may want to check with someone who has more experience.

kwilli said:

@thothmegistus - ideally clones are taken from a plant that is in veg state, if you take a clone from a flowering plant it has to revert back to the veg state which will delay growth. Now with that said I don't know how a clone would react with 12/12 lighting. If you don't revert the clone back to a veg light cycle I think chances are it will continue to try an flower and will die off around the same time the mother plant would. I'm not sure on this so though so you may want to check with someone who has more experience.

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WOW. you just blew my mind. i completely didnt think about the fact i cant keep clones under a 12/12 photo period!?!?!?? CAN I?? what if i take the clone during veg or just as early as possible?? do you think it will work then?

damn this changed/ruins everything.! both of my rooms are sealed to the outside light but they arnt sealed from each others light. and thats my only space. the lights have to be on the same schedule : /

i need to look further into this. anything you can add would be appreciated. thanks alot for bringing that to my attention. wow.

Medicine4Me said:

IMO, For rigt now you shoud be okay. A clone has the SAME exact DNA structure as it come from itself.
If scientists were to clone a 100 year old person, I'm guessing that person having the same DNA "might" pick up some other parts in it's structure and be passed along. What you need is a scientific answer. Sounds to me like this is a subject that has had a fair amount of thinking. I'll follow this post becasue I'd like to know for myelf - I just started growing Sweet Tooth and love the way it thrives (also supposed to have good yield and kick so I'd like to begin cloning it for about 90% of my grows.

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DNA from a 100-year old human would be identical to his/her DNA at birth. The problem with cloning anything as it ages are chromosomal abnormalities which tend to come to the foreground as a plant or human or animal ages. For example recent studies have shown older fathers sire more children with genetic abnormalities than younger fathers while the age of the mother is a non-contributory factor.

I am not attempting to compare human reproduction with that of a plant. Simply stating that studies on most living things show that age allows unwanted characteristics to eventually become at least visible or participatory.

Now the question becomes do plants follow this pattern. In my own experience it can. I am about to harvest a bagseed plant that I vegged for 2 solid months before switching light cycles. She is heavenly looking and smelling with heavy buds and a top cola that is nice and fat. I cloned her 8 times. The last 2 cutting sessions resulted in 4 clones retrieved and rooted, all fairly quickly in peat using Clonex under a dome for a few with a 55 watt CFL over. After a week transplanted into 3-gallon with FF OF (lightly used and saved just for this to prevent nute burn). 2 weeks into flowering 3 hermies showed. Of all the rest of her clones that I am raising or gave away none did this.

As a medical professional I tend to look towards evidence-based data for future reference. I scan her daily 2 times looking for balls but nary a one and none of the first few generations of her clones.

Others on here state they have cloned from a mother for a very long time and I have no reason to doubt them. More evidence to me that it depends on the individual strain, phenotype and individual plant.