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The Yorkshireman

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excuse me for being abrupt...what do you have to say about autism?
Vaccines can and do cause it through various mechanisms.

Mostly through the use of Aluminium/Mercury adjuvents but also from the actual viral components of the vaccine.

Like the MMR vaccine for example, the R is Rubella, Rubella infection in the womb (from a vaccine) can cause the child to later develop Autism.


Autism is not 1 actual thing, it's a spectrum of characteristic disorders that are caused by brain damage.

These days the estimation of how many people have an Austism Spectrum Disorder in the UK is 1 in 100 people.
That could well be classed as a Pandemic.
 

ruby fruit

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Vaccines can and do cause it through various mechanisms.

Mostly through the use of Aluminium/Mercury adjuvents but also from the actual viral components of the vaccine.

Like the MMR vaccine for example, the R is Rubella, Rubella infection in the womb (from a vaccine) can cause the child to later develop Autism.


Autism is not 1 actual thing, it's a spectrum of characteristic disorders that are caused by brain damage.

These days the estimation of how many people have an Austism Spectrum Disorder in the UK is 1 in 100 people.
That could well be classed as a Pandemic.
I believe that yes but we also need to know the more "natural" way of austism being bred into children ie: bad genes meeting together in the parents etc.....
 

The Yorkshireman

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so your saying two genes mixing together that aren't compatable don't have any bearing on a child developing autism or any other disability
We're not talking about other disability's we're talking about Autism Spectrum Disorders.

And the facts are that Autism is initially caused by brain damage brought about by external influences.



There is a genetic component (Mitochondrial Disorders) that makes individuals susceptible to developing Autism, but this genetic component has to be triggered, it doesn't just spontaneously cause Austism.
But cells CAN spontaneously mutate through external influences (vaccines).
It's 2 sides to the same coin.


A couple of analogy's that are comparable to how this happens are Epileptic seizures triggered by strobe lighting effects and mental health issues triggered by smoking cannabis.

Back in the 1980's video game publishers started putting warnings in the instruction booklets of retail video games warning of photosensitive epileptic seizures being triggered by the flashing lights of video games.
(open the booklet for any modern video game, the warning is on the first or second page)
This is not to say that video games cause Epilepsy, but that the games may trigger epilepsy in otherwise susceptible individuals (the video game company's had to have a disclaimer to cover their backs as parents thought that the games were responsible for their children developing epilepsy).

The same is the case for mental health issues and cannabis, we've all heard the scare story's about cannabis consumption causing schizophrenia and other mental health issues, the fact of the matter is although cannabis doesn't directly CAUSE any mental health issues it's use can TRIGGER mental health issues in people with unknown underlying problems.

This is exactly the same for Autism Spectrum Disorders in respect to the unknown underlying genetic mitochondrial problems.
A vast majority of the worlds population has underlying genetic mitochondrial problems (as confirmed by Julie Gerdberding when she was the head of the CDC and ex head of Merck Pharmaceuticals on camera in an interview with Dr Sanjay Gupta on CNN), these can be triggered by vaccines.

For the rest of the people without genetic mitochondrial problems, vaccination as a child can directly fuck you up anyway by the mechanisms explained in my previous post.




Google Hannah Poling, she had an underlying mitochondrial condition and received 5 vaccinations in one day in 2000. It was proven in court that these vaccines gave her Autism and she was paid out $1.5million compensation by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in the USA.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in the USA was established by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and exists because it is known that vaccines can and do cause Autism (although denied and brusehed under the carpet by the scientific community) but there is legislation in place to stop people suing the pharmaceutical company's for negligence, the US government pays cases out individually from a private pot of money instead.

It's a real thing and it is a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Poling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court





More and more scientific study's are proving the vaccine/ASD relationship, there are so many out there freely available to read, along side the existence of the NVCP now that it's not even up for debate anymore.

Vaccines can and do cause Autism Spectrum Disorders.
 
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ruby fruit

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We're not talking about other disability's we're talking about Autism Spectrum Disorders.

And the facts are that Autism is initially caused by brain damage brought about by external influences.



There is a genetic component (Mitochondrial Disorders) that makes individuals susceptible to developing Autism, but this genetic component has to be triggered, it doesn't just spontaneously cause Austism.
But cells CAN spontaneously mutate through external influences (vaccines).
It's 2 sides to the same coin.


A couple of analogy's that are comparable to how this happens are Epileptic seizures triggered by strobe lighting effects and mental health issues triggered by smoking cannabis.

Back in the 1980's video game publishers started putting warnings in the instruction booklets of retail video games warning of photosensitive epileptic seizures being triggered by the flashing lights of video games.
(open the booklet for any modern video game, the warning is on the first or second page)
This is not to say that video games cause Epilepsy, but that the games may trigger epilepsy in otherwise susceptible individuals (the video game company's had to have a disclaimer to cover their backs as parents thought that the games were responsible for their children developing epilepsy).

The same is the case for mental health issues and cannabis, we've all heard the scare story's about cannabis consumption causing schizophrenia and other mental health issues, the fact of the matter is although cannabis doesn't directly CAUSE any mental health issues it's use can TRIGGER mental health issues in people with unknown underlying problems.

This is exactly the same for Autism Spectrum Disorders in respect to the unknown underlying genetic mitochondrial problems.
A vast majority of the worlds population has underlying genetic mitochondrial problems (as confirmed by Julie Gerdberding when she was the head of the CDC and ex head of Merck Pharmaceuticals on camera in an interview with Dr Sanjay Gupta on CNN), these can be triggered by vaccines.

For the rest of the people without genetic mitochondrial problems, vaccination as a child can directly fuck you up anyway by the mechanisms explained in my previous post.




Google Hannah Poling, she had an underlying mitochondrial condition and received 5 vaccinations in one day in 2000. It was proven in court that these vaccines gave her Autism and she was paid out $1.5million compensation by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in the USA.

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in the USA was established by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and exists because it is known that vaccines can and do cause Autism (although denied and brusehed under the carpet by the scientific community) but there is legislation in place to stop people suing the pharmaceutical company's for negligence, the US government pays cases out individually from a private pot of money instead.

It's a real thing and it is a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Poling#Hannah_Poling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court





More and more scientific study's are proving the vaccine/ASD relationship, there are so many out there freely available to read, along side the existence of the NVCP now that it's not even up for debate anymore.

Vaccines can and do cause Autism Spectrum Disorders.
Thanks for that info that was very interesting
There is obviously still so much research into autism of all spectrums to get to the bottom off if only for the piece of mind of the parents

I am a father of a daughter who is 19 and has autism high spectrum.
 

ruby fruit

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She grew up in an era where autism was mistaken for adhd etc etc and it took a long fucking time to get a true diagnose of her disability.

Fuck the doctor who once said to us that we werent being disciplined enough with her....
 

The Yorkshireman

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She grew up in an era where autism was mistaken for adhd
ADHD doesn't exist and is a fictitious disease.

It's a made up disorder used for profit at the expense of incapable and usually middle class
parents.


Leon Eisenberg created ADHD as a way to make vast amounts of money from pharmaceutical sales to parents of diagnosed children.

He's quoted with claiming ADHD is fictitious in the last interview before his death.


That's a whole different can of worms.
 
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The Yorkshireman

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forget adhd then im not getting into a debating war...
I didn't mean that to seem hostile or as if I was negating your statement in any way.

It was just an addition to the vaccine thing and an illustration of how much bullshit Dr's are fed themselves and also feed to parents, ultimately to sell drugs.

It's a real shame that medicine in general and Dr's are not all about healthy living and preventative medicine but rather they focus on treating symptoms with drugs after the fact as apposed to fixing the underlying problem.
 
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curious old fart

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It's a real shame that medicine in general and Dr's are not all about healthy living and preventative medicine but rather they focus on treating symptoms with drugs after the fact as apposed to fixing the underlying problem.
Absolutely correct.
I've had some health problems recently and the treatment has been for the symptoms, but not the underlying problem. I'm still searching for clues to solve it. It's gotten better, without any meds.....they're for the symptoms.

:peace:
cof
 

The Yorkshireman

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Absolutely correct.
I've had some health problems recently and the treatment has been for the symptoms, but not the underlying problem. I'm still searching for clues to solve it. It's gotten better, without any meds.....they're for the symptoms.

:peace:
cof

Me too, I've fixed a lot of my problems through recently changing my diet.



I used to have low left side chest cramps and stomach cramps, these cramps used to come out of the blue randomly, make my blood pressure drop through the floor and take my eyesight away, while I had to lie on the floor in the recovery position until they faded after a few seconds to a few mins and my blood pressure eyesight came back to normal and I could stand up again.

These went on for a couple of years with no warning or notice.

I went to the GP and he would rather prescribe me drugs in a 'process of elimination' type attitude until he found a drug that stopped the symptoms rather than send me for the tests to find the underlying cause and fix that.
(after I pushed him about it he sent me for a few tests that didn't find anything and then he basically said "I don't know what is wrong, I can't help you, go away and suffer").
I questioned him about his attitude told him straight that it's illogical, I made a simple analogy that sure I could have a broken leg and be in pain and you can prescribe me drugs to stop the pain, thus stopping the symptoms but that doesn't fix the broken leg now does it?

I told him that is not what health care and medicine is about surely, he disagreed and dismissed my point entirely.
He just couldn't grasp it, or refused to admit I was right and that the health care industry is just a front for legal drug dealing rather than actually stopping people from getting ill in the first place or fixing problems.

Any GP in England I've ever spoken to (except 1) is completely stumped if they can't treat symptoms with drugs, they're lost and really haven't got a clue what to do.
If drugs don't fix the symptoms and they can't nail down a problem with simple blood tests and the like then you're fucked, they can't help you.



I stopped drinking coffee a year or so ago and I haven't had one of those cramp/eye sight attacks since, I have no idea if that's what caused them or if it is a coincidence but since I dropped coffee I've not had an attack (touch wood) so I no longer drink coffee at all.

I used to randomly vomit too, for no explanation whatsoever I'd just vomit several times a day, regularly for about 10 years and mostly in the morning.
That became a big problem that I couldn't find an answer to, I went to the GP/Dr many times over the years to see what caused it, they prescribed various drugs on and off but couldn't stop the symptoms or find anything underlying that was wrong and in the end I just accepted it and lived with it.

Now I don't eat carbs anymore, I gave up refined sugars mid last year (a few months after I dropped coffee) and I gave up carbs pretty much completely and started to eat a 'Ketogenic' diet after xmas just gone.
Since going Keto I have not vomited once, from vomiting a few times per day for a good 10+ years to not once in in the past 3 months.

This also could be completely coincidental but fuck it, I feel a million times better than I ever have and my general health is the best it's been for many years, my incidences of having Asthma attacks have dropped to pretty much non existent too (I have Type II Brittle asthma, if I have an attack it can potentially kill me).



All the drugs and tests Dr's have put me through over the last 6 years or so have done absolutely fuck all to fix or explain anything.

I stop drinking coffee and go Ketogenic and so far I've never felt better.
I still don't know what actually caused the problems but not having those problems any more is something I can live with despite not knowing the cause.
I'd still like to know but I can't have it both ways. lol



I just don't bother going to the GP/Dr anymore because I know what I face before I get there (closed minded and stubborn), they might know about what drugs do what and how to prescribe them but I know masses more than any Dr I've ever met about nutrition and healthy living in general.
It still amazes me how little GP's and Dr's actually know about nutrition and biochemistry.
The amount of obese Dr's and health professionals I know of is not even funny.



You wouldn't believe how hard it is to get a full blood test done in the UK.
I want a test doing to show my cholesterol levels, lipid levels, testosterone levels and such like so I can read my results and act accordingly for preventative healthcare and longevity (I can read my own results better than any Dr, they don't really understand what they're looking at outside the normal markers)
If there's nothing actually wrong with you then Dr's don't see the point of sending you for a blood test.

In the US you can just walk into a place and pay them to do a test at your whim and it's the same in most of Europe, not in the UK though.
It's pretty much a closed system here and it's bullshit.

I'm going to Poland with the Mrs in a few months for a couple of days so I'm gonna get some tests done there, just walk in to a public lab in any city and pay cash, job done.
 
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curious old fart

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Fortunately the US system works differently from the UK version. I had blood test done at my request and had the results in 24 hours....low potassium, liver clear and no signs of cancer.
I have stomach problems, too and while it hasn't been nailed down yet, I think the rise in blood pressure has something to do with it. There was a recent article about blood pressure in the Daily Mail that stated that the medical community has been treating the veins. They have discovered that the nerves around the veins secret nitric oxide, which causes pressure to rise. Now they need to figure out how to control the nitric oxide. I have some diazepam for the next rime I feel it start it rise to see if that helps.

:peace:
cof
 

curious old fart

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I'd be staying clear of diazepam unless you want to feel like sleeping. How do medibles effect your stomach?
Sleeping is better than throwing up.
Medibles usually don't bother it.
It's kind of f'dup. The stomach doesn't hurt, but I have little or no appetite. I get hungry and I eat, but mainly exits on Boost high protein. Blood pressure will slowly rise and after a couple of days the stomach just lets go and stays that way for a couple more days. So far all treatment has been for the upset stomach.....the blood pressure is a new clue.

:peace:
cof
 

visajoe1

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@The Yorkshireman the claim that you are making (vaccines contribute to autism) is false. This has been debunked and doctors have been saying this for years. Please contain this idea to yourself if you choose to believe this falsehood.

Look what happened to the doctor in Cleveland who went anti-vaccine recently with a published article in his local opinion pages. Your opinion has zero basis in medical history. Stop it. Someone CAN die due not being vaccinated.

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/07/anti-vaccine-claims-cleveland-clinic/

Dr. Sanjay Gupta opinion
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/health/vaccines-sanjay-gupta/
 

The Yorkshireman

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@The Yorkshireman the claim that you are making (vaccines contribute to autism) is false. This has been debunked and doctors have been saying this for years. Please contain this idea to yourself if you choose to believe this falsehood.

Look what happened to the doctor in Cleveland who went anti-vaccine recently with a published article in his local opinion pages. Your opinion has zero basis in medical history. Stop it. Someone CAN die due not being vaccinated.

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/07/anti-vaccine-claims-cleveland-clinic/

Dr. Sanjay Gupta opinion
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/health/vaccines-sanjay-gupta/

Everything I have posted has been fact and not merely my opinion and it has basis in numerous scientific papers and you should go look for them yourself, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I suggest you go back an read through my posts again so that you understand the facts properly, if you don't understand then please refrain from commenting.

You clearly don't acknowledge the interview with Julie Gerdberding (Ex head of the CDC, now of Merck Pharmaceuticals) when she confirmed to Dr Sanjay Gupta that vaccines can cause ASD's via underlying Mitochondrial Disorders.

The fact that the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (brought about by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in the USA) has paid out millions of dollars in compensation to now autistic children because of vaccine injury proves this.

Hannah Poling's family alone got $1.5million compensation.
I don't make this shit up.


Again, I suggest you take the time to read and understand my posts again and think with logic and not just your opinion based on emotion.
It's people like you that have laws made so that children can't go to school unless they've been vaccinated.

It's not possible to debunk it you idiot, it's not possible to prove that vaccines don't contribute to Autism.



This is a subject that is not open for debate.

Your government has a compensation program in place for exactly this reason, you are wrong.
 
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The Yorkshireman

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Stop it. Someone CAN die due not being vaccinated.
Actually this is highly unlikely if you know anything about any of the diseases we vaccinate against.

Do you know the percentage of Polio cases that actually result in death?
Obviously not so let me enlighten you.

In about 0.5% of Polio cases there is muscle weakness resulting in the inability to move, most are able to fully recover.
In those cases where there is muscle weakness (0.5%) about 2%-5% of children and 15%-30% of adults die.

Another 25% have have minor symptoms like a fever and sore throat and up to 5% have a headache, neck stiffness and arm/leg pain. These people are back to normal within a few weeks.

In up to 70% of infections there are no symptoms whatsoever.



So in the grand scheme of things concerning Polio, only 5% (max) of 0.5% of child cases result in death.
Do the maths, that's fuck all.

The polio vaccines have paralyzed and killed more children than wild Polio has since their invention.

This is irrefutable fact.

The Bill and Miranda Gates Foundation have paralyzed 47,500 (and counting) children in India in pretty much 1 year with the Oral Polio vaccine, the CDC banned it ffs, pretty much every western country has banned it because it kills!







It is an irrefutable fact that congenital Rubella infection can cause Autism and that the MMR vaccine contains live Rubella.

I'll post it in plain English in big bold laymen's terms letters for you so that you shouldn't have any trouble understanding it, if you still do then you are either just plain stupid, ignorant or intellectually dishonest.


RUBELLA INFECTION CAUSES AUTISM, THE MMR VACCINE CONTAINS LIVE RUBELLA.
THE MMR VACCINE CAN CAUSE AUTISM.



Side effects of Congenital Rubella Syndrome:
Blah
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Blah
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Autism
Blah
Blah
Blah


Go do your own research based on fact and not your own opinion and emotional stance on the subject.
You can even wiki it.
 
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