complete cfl grow

berten-ernie420

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So I just started my actual grow, the one I have been waiting for. I started a couple bag seeds a few weeks back, but wasn't really expecting much to happen, but now that I've got my seeds here, I'm ready to start my actual grow that I've invested so much into already. I just started the germ process with just two beans, 1 bubblegummer and 1 freezeberry auto. I have a tray and dome as well as super starter plugs that I dropped the seeds into and poured a little water in on top to swell it up. I put a heating pad under the tray and it has just enough water in it (up to the ridges) to sustain high humidity, and I have it in a cupboard away from the light just until it sprouts up. I've been doing my research, and I believe I did everything correct to promote the best possible environment for my babies. Did I miss anything?
 

az2000

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I've been doing my research, and I believe I did everything correct to promote the best possible environment for my babies. Did I miss anything?
Photos? Start posting photos every couple days to this thread. Make it a "journal." That will help others help you if/when you have problems.

Are you going to put the starter plugs in soil? I always put them directly in soil (18oz party cup or 22oz seedling container). I find the soil helps stabilize the dampness of the "plug" (I use Rapid Rooters). And, the roots grow directly into the soil (which seems a little better than having them exposed, coming out of the edges of the plug.). I sit my seedling containers on a thermostatic heating mat set to 80-82F, and set the humidity dome over them. (That's good for about 8-10 seedling cups).
 

berten-ernie420

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Yes, soil. Ffof in 2 gal smart pot. Gna put them in once they sprout, ive been told. This is my first serious attempt to grow. Should I have popped the seeds in water for 24 hrs first or will they sprout in the plugs? I can still see the seed sittin in the plug, its not closed up even tho I poured water onto them. I know I have to wait, but I just don't want to end up either missing something or messing something up, I mean thats like flushing 12 bucks a piece down the drain.
 

az2000

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Yes, soil. Ffof in 2 gal smart pot.
FF soil looks a little heavy/dense to me. I would add at least 30% perlite for better drainage, faster drying. (In another thread today someone said 50%). But, with smart pots, you may not need it (or as much). Hopefully someone who uses Fox Farms Ocean Forest can comment. (It's also reported to have too much nutrients built-in for seedlings. Maybe you'll be ok since you won't go into the soil until the seedlings have a few days on them.).

Should I have popped the seeds in water for 24 hrs first or will they sprout in the plugs?
Either way is fine. It's common for new growers to soak, and use paper towels in wet dishes. (Idle hands....). After you grow for awhile you might germinate in soil. I like Rapid Rooters because they're a consistent texture to provide moisture and air. They come with a hole made for a stem (for cloning). I turn them upside-down and poke my own seed-appropriate hole. (I think the stem hole is too deep and wide for a seed.). Some people germinate directly in the soil they would plant in. My soil is irregulary and has some large pieces. I don't like germinating directly in it. I've thought about scooping out a handfull of soil and replacing it with a seedling starter mix (finer/consistent texture). I would plant in that instead of a Rapid Rooter.

It's just personal preference. And, people with less experience seem to gravitate toward the more hands-on approach. (But, some with experience do too.).

I can still see the seed sittin in the plug, its not closed up even tho I poured water onto them.
I'm not familiar with the plug you're using. With Rapid Rooters, I pick off some pieces from around the edges and drop them over the seed. Not to pack it down tight. Just to make contact and shade the seed. I don't mind if I can see a little bit of shell. But, I try not to. (But, I don't go heavy either.).

I mean thats like flushing 12 bucks a piece down the drain.
I know the feeling. I like marijuana-seeds.NL because they have "value packs" and 2-for-1 deals which give you a lot of seeds for cheap, maybe $3 per seed. They don't have exotic strains. But, it's less stress when starting to grow.

Resist the urge to hover over your plants and "kill them with kindness." Germination and the first week is what still makes me nervous. It's kind of a delicate time. Your "helping" can kill them. So, you have to force yourself to step back and let it happen. You don't want to keep the plug too wet. But, you don't want it to dry out either.

A photo would help.
 

berten-ernie420

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Oh and I added vermeculite to the soil. So it'll drain better. I've been told to "flush" the soil before I use it as well, but to me that is like rinsing out all the nutes..maybe I'm wrong, I am a newbie
 

az2000

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Ok, the pics are from after I read ur post (taking a corner off the edge and covering the seeds).
Hopefully it's torn into little bits, not a single big clump covering the seed. You want it to be able to push through easily, not lift a large piece of something. (But, maybe it's ok too. I always shred my bits to cover the seed lightly with small bits.).

Oh and I added vermeculite to the soil. So it'll drain better.
I don't see many people using vermiculite. It retains water which is the opposite direction of where most cannabis growers want to go (more drainage, more complete wet/dry cycles.). The only time I've read of it being useful growing under the radiant heat of HID (when the soil dries too quickly). But, with Fox Farm soil, I think adding vermiculite isn't a good idea. It's already dense/heavy (slow drying). I would use perlite, no vermiculite.

Hopefully someone who has used the soil can help you.
 

Medizzinman

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Good look. My first grow went well with CFL. But the bud was a little airy or fluffy with that type of light. Still got plenty high though, decent smoke can be had from cfl's. Now I have graduated to LED and the buds are solid, dense, and sticky. Anyway one tip, when you get ready to flower, invest in a couple of monster 105 actual watt 2700k cfl's. They put out some heat but will save you about 8 bulbs. They run maybe $15-20 a piece on amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0041DMXEI/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?qid=1451787014&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=105+watt+cfl+2700&dpPl=1&dpID=41xRErdCe8L&ref=plSrch
 
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berten-ernie420

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I built a reflector/housing for some household bulbs, 23 actual watts (100 equiv), 6500k daylight spectrum right now, it holds 12 bulbs. I have 11 100 equiv cfls in it plus 1 150w equiv at 2700k for a mix spectrum. As well as a hydroflo? 150 actual watt grow light and reflector in the 6500k spectrum that I jus bought this weekend. I have to get a flower bulb when the time comes, but for now, I'm content.
 

berten-ernie420

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Those plants are sickly, a worst case scenario type, from some rando bag seeds. I was surprised they sprouted but after they did, I couldn't NOT get into it more. So I started my research more and started growing properly. Needless to say, the plants aren't doing the best in that pic, but are doing much better now. For bag seeds, it smells dank. I might get a couple grams off it, but It was more or less a trial run for my setup. Which I constantly changed n upgraded since I started them.
 

az2000

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The pic was taken before I got more 6500k bulbs. They're all 6500k 23w, minus the 40w 2700k.
I use Cree 9.5w LED lightbulbs. They're about 35% more lumens/watt than CFLs. But, a bit of an expense compared to CFL.

I've recently been looking at GE 10w BrightStick LED lightbulbs. They cost only $3.50 US. (Very cost competitive with CFL.). What I like about these (so far) is that their LEDs all face forward. They're perfect for directional lighting.

I doubt the actual diode is more efficient than the diode in the Cree bulb. But, because they are facing the right direction, they don't have to be reflected. That's an efficiency. And, because they are flush mounted, there's less shock hazard running them without the plastic diffusor (compared to running the Cree without the glass globe. It has a tower object which begs for accidental contact.).

I compared a 10w GE BrightStick (plastic diffusor removed) in a clamp-on reflector (shown linked above) to a 9.5w Cree A19. The GE produced 22-25% more light. That's impressive. The Cree is already at 88-90 lumens/watt (with the rubber gummy film removed from the glass globe). The GE seems to be 110'ish, which is pretty good (considering CFL's are typically in the 65 range).

I want to grow with these 10w bulbs. Maybe their spectrum is junk, and won't grow well. But, that's a lot of light for cheap. I hope it works for growing. (If it weren't your first grow, I would urge you try them. The nice thing is that they're more directional.).
 

berten-ernie420

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Oh and can anyone tell me the best way To store seeds, as u can see, theyr in sandwich bags labelled, and then put into a mason jar and closed tightly, stuffed safely in my undie drawer. Temps stay about 63, pretty low humidity since its winter, but the jar is sealed good n tight.
 

az2000

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Oh and can anyone tell me the best way To store seeds,
I put my seeds in little glass "dram jars" sold at the smoke shop. (I think they're sold for concentrates.). I add a few grains of rice (which act as a desiccant as well as thermal mass to stabilize humidity and temperature.). I place these small jars in a plastic food container and keep it in the fridge. The plastic food container adds a second layer of temperature buffering.

Probably overkill. But, it's not hard to do.

I would be nervous about plastic bags because they aren't airtight. They will dry over time. If you put the plastic bags in a plastic food container, that would be better.
 
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