Crazy Tim Burton Curling, Dying?

Hi -

I have a plant that has been showing sex for about two weeks now. It started to look stressed a week or so ago. So I flushed her and have been hoping for the best. After seeing what she looked like this morning (terrible) I moved her into a much bigger pot, hoping that she'll survive the transplant, I didn't know what else to do, I felt kind of helpless.

Her leaves are curling like crazy, like in multiple circles and the lower leaves are yellowing. This is affecting all fan leaves. Even the new leaves coming out of the growth shoot are curling.

I've barely used any fertilizer. And haven't done so in a week or so. The pH has been hanging around 7.5 - 8.0 so I thought it might be stress due to that, I've been watering with pH balanced drinking water for a couple days to counter that, and I added a TINY amount of aluminum sulfate to the soil but the pH has stayed the same so I figure it hasn't helped or hurt. But the plant has gotten worse if anything since I flushed her. I'm afraid maybe there was a nute build-up and now she's gone toxic.

Other info: 150W HPS, Soil, 12-12 lighting schedule for about four weeks, Northern Lights are the genetics, overall the plant is eight weeks old.

It looks like the leaves are starting to lose a little moisture too, they are still mostly green though. But it might be already dead I don't know. I'm going to post a picture in like an hour (camera charging) brainstorm for me until then. Thanks.

Here are the pics in the first two you can see some of the vicious curling. This problem has hit me literally overnight. I don't want you guys to think I'm a terrible parent or something because I treat these plants better than myself. The last picture was her just six days ago!

come on any veterans out there?

It looks like a really bad case of high PH, however if your temps are high this could be the culprit or if your medium doesn't drain well overwatering could be the problem.

You need to be flushing with PHed water or else you're not actually addressing the problem.
As far as heat, i don't know what your growroom temperatures are like, but they shouldn't ever be any hotter than 80f.
Any Thrips or other little creatures kicking around?

temp is hanging around 80-81. No bugs. How often should I be flushing?

Anyone else?

bumpin this post

Cut away anything that is crispy or yellow, its just gonna hinder your plant now, then just fill up the pot like 3 times and let it drain out. What do you use for fertilizer? What kind of lights are you using? How often do you water/ How much? How often do you fertilize? How much fertilizer do you use when you do? How old is she?

read my previous posts. The only question that won't be answered is fertilizer type. I had no dough to invest in a good nute system so I just use a little miracle grow, so small it probably does nothing, every two weeks. but now I might go to nothing. I water about 1-2 cups of water whenever the pot is light.

Figure 10

Nitrogen Toxicity:
Leaves are often dark green and in the early stages abundant with foliage. If excess is severe, leaves will dry and begin to fall off. Root system will remain under developed or deteriorate after time. Fruit and flower set will be inhibited or deformed.
With breakdown of vascular tissue restricting water uptake. Stress resistance is drastically diminished.

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this looks similar but i believe you've had added water during transplant then again to flush its getting water stressed

yeah I noticed that too. I feel like it might be nitrogen toxicity if I had a nute lock out. But otherwise it's been flowering for three weeks now, and I have barely given it anything with nitrogen in it.

do not add any tap water! if your ph is that high, flush with distilled water. its ph is 7 and has zero ppm. tap water can be too hard or to soft, contains chlorine or other chemicals, and has natural occuring micronutients. if you dont know what these micro nutes are and in what concentrations it is impossible to tell if its getting too much or not enough of one or more nutes. this will fix the ph problem. what is your nite time temp? does it get really cold?

start with flushing with distilled water, ph it to 5.5 -6.5 range. if you cant ph it flush with it at 7 (strait outta the bottle) make sure it is room temp (around 55- 65F)

if you absoulutely cant get distilled (its 76 cents a gallon at walmart or walgreens or cvs or rite aid) let you tap sit out for 24 hours before watering. this will let any chemical evaporate out of it. it doesnt help with micro nutes but gets rid of anything toxic. boiling will do the same thing if you cant wait.

after you flush wait till it needs to be watered and give it a 1/2 does of nutes. back your lights up a bit, she looks pretty fragile.

the curls usually are from stress and new growth will be fine as long as you get her back on track.

Tem421 said:

yeah I noticed that too. I feel like it might be nitrogen toxicity if I had a nute lock out. But otherwise it's been flowering for three weeks now, and I have barely given it anything with nitrogen in it.

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does your soil have time release nutes? if so the flush released a shit load of god knows what

Tem421 said:

read my previous posts.

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You want help, and you want me to go back and read your previous posts????


pssssh, white women.

wilsoncr17 said:

You want help, and you want me to go back and read your previous posts????


pssssh, white women.

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Hey man no offense, I just don't want to have to repeat myself twenty times. Everyone always asks the same questions in these plant hospital threads, so I tried to preemptively answer them all in the first two paragraphs. I really do appreciate the help though, I just feel that my plant has a limited time left to correct the problem.

robert 14617 said:

does your soil have time release nutes? if so the flush released a shit load of god knows what

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I don't know, the soil I bought was a local mix made by the garden store I bought it at. I doubt it has time release stuff in it. It seemed like it was mostly pearlite and clean dirt.

smokiedog said:

do not add any tap water! if your ph is that high, flush with distilled water. its ph is 7 and has zero ppm. tap water can be too hard or to soft, contains chlorine or other chemicals, and has natural occuring micronutients. if you dont know what these micro nutes are and in what concentrations it is impossible to tell if its getting too much or not enough of one or more nutes. this will fix the ph problem. what is your nite time temp? does it get really cold?

start with flushing with distilled water, ph it to 5.5 -6.5 range. if you cant ph it flush with it at 7 (strait outta the bottle) make sure it is room temp (around 55- 65F)

if you absoulutely cant get distilled (its 76 cents a gallon at walmart or walgreens or cvs or rite aid) let you tap sit out for 24 hours before watering. this will let any chemical evaporate out of it. it doesnt help with micro nutes but gets rid of anything toxic. boiling will do the same thing if you cant wait.

after you flush wait till it needs to be watered and give it a 1/2 does of nutes. back your lights up a bit, she looks pretty fragile.

the curls usually are from stress and new growth will be fine as long as you get her back on track.

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I don't have distilled water, I've been using drinking (not tap) water, which I think is 7 anyway. ( i don't have any pH adjusters). Nite time temps. seem to be about 6-8 degrees cooler (73-75) range. I've been letting the water sit out for 24 hours and been adding a little aquarium chlorine killer to it, but I live in an urban area so I feel like it's still loaded with metals and other junk in it. A lot of the leaves are starting to get crunchy so I feel she might be a goner There are a couple healthy leaves that I might be able to clone from hopefully.

you'd be suprised to see whats in drinking water and spring water, neither have chlorine but both are loaded with micronutrients. some of it has more stuff in it than tap water. hopefullyshe makes it or the clones take. starting over sucks. i'd definately look into the water though. you can do everthing right and if the water sucks the same thing will happen. i cant use my water so i gotta make a water run every week. my buddy and i were both growing the same seeds and his were fine and mine sucked. everything down to the nutes was the same - the onl diff was the water. i switched it up and now its all good.
good luck man.

i had a problem like that when i did a grow with a friend all of sudden it started doing the same thing. i later found out he was over feeding it nuets and killed the thing right off.

yeah, it must have been a lock out. And than all the sudden an explosion of nutes
because I thought I was being extremely conservative with my feeding.