Critique my first setup

Strain: Bubblelicious (I was accidentally spelling it as bubblicious). Fem seeds from nirvana
Medium: Fox Farms Ocean Forrest
Pot Size: 3 gallon
number of plants: 5
Nutrients: Fox Farm big bloom, Grow big, tigerbloom, calmag
Current stage: Veg starting week 2
Light: KIND LED K3 450(280 actual watts)
Temperature: usually 78 to 80 F
humidity: 45%-55%
pH of tapwater: 7 i add a bit of ph Down to it now
how often do I water: every other day
airflow: I just added the holmes blizzard oscillating fan, which should help, the rotating small pillar fan I had wasnt doing the trick, I also have a 5 inch cheap fan on an exhaust port near the top of the tent and the back screen vent in my tent open near the bottom
I have an exhaust hooked up to the carbon scrubber, but until I need a lower temperature or I need to get rid of smell, im keeping it off.
So I just added a bit of extra soil to the pots today before I watered them, try to get the deepest roots possible. I added the first bit of nutrients into the water today as well. I added 1/3 of what the fox farm nutrients schedule called for of the big bloom, and I added just a half teaspoon of calmag as well into a gallon jug.
Tell me what you would do different

I would of used hps not that pink bullshit

Looks like you got it going - Right on!

I learned to check the ph after I add any nutrients - just in case you didn't know...

Set up looks good. I just hate seeing little ones - they always seem so vulnerable! They will grow faster if you don't look at them 15 times a day like I used to...

The pink brothel light can go in the bin

Why do people tear up other people grow systems is beyond me. There are so many people growing killer herb here under LED's WTF?
All you have to do is follow other people's LED information and you will do fine.
I use CFL, HPS, MH, and Fucking LED's and my shit comes out kicking ass all the way to my hash bank!

Good vibes to you nay420! I see you have been here for a while so welome to RIU where every opinion is just that an opinion. Fuck me running....

Final Phase said:

Why do people tear up other people grow systems is beyond me. There are so many people growing killer herb here under LED's WTF?
All you have to do is follow other people's LED information and you will do fine.
I use CFL, HPS, MH, and Fucking LED's and my shit comes out kicking ass all the way to my hash bank!

Good vibes to you nay420! I see you have been here for a while so welome to RIU where every opinion is just that an opinion. Fuck me running....

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Maybe you didn't read his entire post but it says at the end to tell him what he is doing wrong.. So we are doing so. Show me where you get 2+ pounds from a 5x5 spot with cfl, and LEDs and I will take you seriously .

patrickkawi37 said:

Maybe you didn't read his entire post but it says at the end to tell him what he is doing wrong.. So we are doing so. Show me where you get 2+ pounds from a 5x5 spot with cfl, and LEDs and I will take you seriously .

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No doubt there ain't no way to get 2+ pounds from CFL and LED's in a 5x5 area - I couldn't agree more. Best I've ever gotten in a 8 x 8 area with MI veg and HPS flower is 3 pounds. That room was filled 6 feet high.

From my reading I've come to the conclusion MI and HPS are the way to go unless one can afford the newer bulbs coming on the market - very expensive but may be some killer lights...

Some people gotta go with LED due to heat issues that are too hard to control in a small area.

no worries, I can tell the difference between a thoughtful response and an uneducated redneck hating on technology. I am new to growing, not to the internet. All the LED hate just wants me to make it work even more.

This uneducated redneck gets over 2 pounds per 5x5 space every time . Your technology can't do that. Your using ffof soil and ffof nutrients with leds in a closet grow... And your bashing me? No more info for you

Stick with the nute schedule ( 1/4 - 1/3 - 1/2 or whatever ) by fox farm. I have to flush BEFORE flowering because these nutes salt up fast. Also , watering every other day seems a bit much. I feed once a week and water ONLY when dry soil is noticeable.

Check your PPM on your feed solution ( including water ppm ) as to stay in range required for that stage. ( those PPM ranges on chart is MAXIMUM and usually hard to get plant to accept those levels. ( LESS IS MORE )

I use Cal/Mag only when I run RO water- my tap runs between 180-200 ppm so I compensate with an adjusted nute level as to stay where I need it. PH down to a level 6.2 - 6.5. Good setup - Good Luck with your girls.

nay420 said:

no worries, I can tell the difference between a thoughtful response and an uneducated redneck hating on technology. I am new to growing, not to the internet. All the LED hate just wants me to make it work even more.

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I don't really think they were bashing leds in general, just the ones you're using. Those first generation purple/pink retarded looking lights... yeah those. If you haven't noticed the new leds aren't pink anymore. They provide full spectrum, which is what everybody is after not just the blue and the red.

The kind led has full spectrum.

I also do not grow for a large yield. This is my hobby, that I literally started one week ago. I am going for bud quality.

The idea of a HPS in a grow tent just sounds like a fire hazard I wouldn't have a grow setup at all if it wasn't for LEDs.

If you give me a reason as to why you believe an HPS is a better fit for my 4x2 tent, I might entertain the idea. But i really don't think patrick or oill really added to the knowledge base of this website with their responses.

nay420 said:

The kind led has full spectrum.

I also do not grow for a large yield. This is my hobby, that I literally started one week ago. I am going for bud quality.

The idea of a HPS in a grow tent just sounds like a fire hazard I wouldn't have a grow setup at all if it wasn't for LEDs.

If you give me a reason as to why you believe an HPS is a better fit for my 4x2 tent, I might entertain the idea. But i really don't think patrick or oill really added to the knowledge base of this website with their responses.

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Don't worry, I'm rocking the pink 300w led and about to harvest my best yet. Small box also living in an apartment

na420 said:

The kind led has full spectrum.

I also do not grow for a large yield. This is my hobby, that I literally started one week ago. I am going for bud quality.

The idea of a HPS in a grow tent just sounds like a fire hazard I wouldn't have a grow setup at all if it wasn't for LEDs.

If you give me a reason as to why you believe an HPS is a better fit for my 4x2 tent, I might entertain the idea. But i really don't think patrick or oill really added to the knowledge base of this website with their responses.

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Last time I checked hps still offers more lumens per watt then Leds. And I don't care what they said to get you to buy those but they are not full spectrum. Full spectrum looks white to the human eye, not purple. 2 150 watt hps lights, 300 watts total would out perform your led.

The full spectrum of light includes infrared, visible light, and UV light. These are what are required to sustain life. The human eye response to visible light only.
The plant doesn't care what the human eye sees.
Lumens are not what the plant cares about.
I am just trying to obtain knowledge. If the "last time you checked" you found some sort of evidence to further your position, please share with me.
Please, I am not looking for a "LED vs other types of lighting" thread. There are already hundreds of threads filled with that garbage.

The point is: I have an LED as my main light. Do I think this will be the only light I will ever purchase? No. I plan on adding more lights by the time that I get to flower. If you havent noticed, my plants are seedlings, I have more than enough light for the time.

If you would like to tell me how to supplement the light I already own, please tell me what you would do.
Thank you to the people with genuine responses.

To those with non-punctuated, one-line responses: please just move along.

Final Phase said:

No doubt there ain't no way to get 2+ pounds from CFL and LED's in a 5x5 area - I couldn't agree more. Best I've ever gotten in a 8 x 8 area with MI veg and HPS flower is 3 pounds. That room was filled 6 feet high.

From my reading I've come to the conclusion MI and HPS are the way to go unless one can afford the newer bulbs coming on the market - very expensive but may be some killer lights...

Some people gotta go with LED due to heat issues that are too hard to control in a small area.

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What you don't get is.... The most valuable thing you are wasting is time. It costs you time and effort to grow. So why grow half the amount in double the area?

nay420 said:

The full spectrum of light includes infrared, visible light, and UV light. These are what are required to sustain life. The human eye response to visible light only.
The plant doesn't care what the human eye sees.
Lumens are not what the plant cares about.
I am just trying to obtain knowledge. If the "last time you checked" you found some sort of evidence to further your position, please share with me.
Please, I am not looking for a "LED vs other types of lighting" thread. There are already hundreds of threads filled with that garbage.

The point is: I have an LED as my main light. Do I think this will be the only light I will ever purchase? No. I plan on adding more lights by the time that I get to flower. If you havent noticed, my plants are seedlings, I have more than enough light for the time.

If you would like to tell me how to supplement the light I already own, please tell me what you would do.
Thank you to the people with genuine responses.

To those with non-punctuated, one-line responses: please just move along.

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Yeah, I know the difference between what the human eye responds to and what plants respond to. And you should go by par and not lumens. Either way, I know the plant wants more than just red and blue.

As far as supplemental lighting goes, anything from cfl's, T5's, hps or metal halide. If you got some T5 fixtures you could add a uvb bulb, or two, to the fixture. Anything from 2ft 2 bulb to 4ft 8 bulb fixtures. If I were you I would try to go for the 4ft fixtures. I like the 4ft 4 bulb ones. You are after spectrum when it comes to supplemental and T5's have a great spectrum, just lacking in the lumens, or par output. They don't get too hot either

nay420 said:

The full spectrum of light includes infrared, visible light, and UV light. These are what are required to sustain life. The human eye response to visible light only.
The plant doesn't care what the human eye sees.
Lumens are not what the plant cares about.
I am just trying to obtain knowledge. If the "last time you checked" you found some sort of evidence to further your position, please share with me.
Please, I am not looking for a "LED vs other types of lighting" thread. There are already hundreds of threads filled with that garbage.

The point is: I have an LED as my main light. Do I think this will be the only light I will ever purchase? No. I plan on adding more lights by the time that I get to flower. If you havent noticed, my plants are seedlings, I have more than enough light for the time.

If you would like to tell me how to supplement the light I already own, please tell me what you would do.
Thank you to the people with genuine responses.

To those with non-punctuated, one-line responses: please just move along.

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Check out the LED section of this forum and you will see what everybody is on about. Everything looks pretty good except for that light.

nay420 said:

Strain: Bubblelicious (I was accidentally spelling it as bubblicious). Fem seeds from nirvana
Medium: Fox Farms Ocean Forrest
Pot Size: 3 gallon
number of plants: 5
Nutrients: Fox Farm big bloom, Grow big, tigerbloom, calmag
Current stage: Veg starting week 2
Light: KIND LED K3 450(280 actual watts)
Temperature: usually 78 to 80 F
humidity: 45%-55%
pH of tapwater: 7 i add a bit of ph Down to it now
how often do I water: every other day
airflow: I just added the holmes blizzard oscillating fan, which should help, the rotating small pillar fan I had wasnt doing the trick, I also have a 5 inch cheap fan on an exhaust port near the top of the tent and the back screen vent in my tent open near the bottom
I have an exhaust hooked up to the carbon scrubber, but until I need a lower temperature or I need to get rid of smell, im keeping it off.
So I just added a bit of extra soil to the pots today before I watered them, try to get the deepest roots possible. I added the first bit of nutrients into the water today as well. I added 1/3 of what the fox farm nutrients schedule called for of the big bloom, and I added just a half teaspoon of calmag as well into a gallon jug.
Tell me what you would do different

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Awesome set up. Looks like you put some thought into it and looks nice and organized. Not familiar with Fox Farm or Nirvana beans, but they seem to be very popular and been around for as long as I've been growing, so should do well. Before I went Hempy/Lucas formula I always mixed my nutes on a lower percentage scale than what the manufacturer called for and worked up from there. Good job. Temps and humidity are good as well, I like the 3 gallon pot idea and should be perfect for a small plant in a tent grow. BTW, that looks like a nice tent, and it looks properly set up and equipped. Nice and organized. I agree with your waiting to fire up the can/fan until you need it. Love the scrubber set up BTW. Nice and clean. I would go ahead and start that oscillating fan and gently blow those stems and limbs around a tad bit.

My tap runs about 7 too, sounds like you have a handle on bringing the PH down a bit. But, I would learn to tilt the pot and let the soil dry out a little more. Watering every other day seems extreme for a tiny seedling. Maybe put a few mm's of water around the stem every other day would be fine. You def may have to water every other day or even every day when the plant gets much larger later on.

I have a purple LED like that, it's an older one and have had some great results with it. Your wattage looks good for the space/number of plants you have. If you decide to add light, I would consider using a different light. Maybe a small HPS if you're looking for cheap. Like a 150. But, I am looking at cobs right now. And actually that is where I may go next.

I have a 150 HPS, an older 135 watt(maybe 80-90 actual) LED(purple like yours) llight and an older but more recent 180 LED made by Mars that pulls 110 actual and some gigantic 65 actual watt CFLs. I start with a very small CFL maybe <20 watts and move up(2 weeks) to the 65 CFL then the HPS, only and add the LEDs for supplement light as needed. Theory is, you get all the different spectrums from the different types of light. You've got them all covered. Next I swear I'm going COB for supplemental. If I ever need it. Right now, everything works perfect tho.

ANYWAY! Looks like you are doing awesome. Just relax and be patient. You should get good results with your set up, just be careful on the nutes. I've heard FF is a bit strong, but who knows, maybe your Nirvana genes can handle it. Keep in mind that you give the plant what it needs. Don't overload it with nutes thinking you will push it to get more yield. You might burn it up. Eventually with experience you will get everything dialed in and maximize your yield and potency. The goal is to get you some good properly grown bud.

Don't pay much attention to he HPS only idiots. They only know how to grow one way, because they are too stupid to expand into experimenting and evolving into understanding the inner workings of growing. I personally love LED. HID and CFL put off way too much heat IMO. That's why I switch it up a bit. I think HID grows some nice tight buds but, LED is effective too. Why not use both rather just 1 giant, hot ass HID? Doh? Fuck fighting heat issues. But, I like HPS too. It's just it's not the only way to grow like some morons would like for you to believe.

nay420 said:

The full spectrum of light includes infrared, visible light, and UV light. These are what are required to sustain life. The human eye response to visible light only.
The plant doesn't care what the human eye sees.
Lumens are not what the plant cares about.
I am just trying to obtain knowledge. If the "last time you checked" you found some sort of evidence to further your position, please share with me.
Please, I am not looking for a "LED vs other types of lighting" thread. There are already hundreds of threads filled with that garbage.

The point is: I have an LED as my main light. Do I think this will be the only light I will ever purchase? No. I plan on adding more lights by the time that I get to flower. If you havent noticed, my plants are seedlings, I have more than enough light for the time.

If you would like to tell me how to supplement the light I already own, please tell me what you would do.
Thank you to the people with genuine responses.

To those with non-punctuated, one-line responses: please just move along.

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You nailed it ... Every god damn time an LED setup is shown , it opens up a stupid light choice war. If it is working , how is that bad ? I just finished an AUTO ACID ( that's in early curing ) gonna wait about another week ( BOVEDA and CVAULT ) before taking a smoke.

I say if the light choice you use is working , it's a WIN WIN .