Democrat wins special election in deeply red district

mame

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/24/breaking-cnn-projects-hochul-as-winner-in-ny-26/?hpt=T2

In New York's 26th district... Previously held by Republicans for four decades.

She won by a combination of turning the election into a referendum on Ryan's medicare plan and the fact that party candidate was able to pull 9% of the vote...

the breakdown was as follows: 48% (d), 42% (r), 9% (tp), 1% (green).

Doesn't look good for you righties, especially if Tea party candidates start running as third party candidates like what happened in this district.
 

ink the world

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I hate to say I told ya so, but I just cant resist on this one :-)

Heres the price the far Right is gonna pay for yet another overstep. If they had stuck to keeping budgets tight and not got into attacking SS, Medicare, Medicaid this wouldnt happen.

Im just shocked the Carl Palladino endorsement didnt help her :-)
 

Carne Seca

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The fact that this district flipped is amazing and has sent shockwaves throughout the political spectrum. They'll be talking about his for weeks. The GOP is going to throw Ryan under the bus and are going to be spin like they've never spun before. The backpedaling should be pretty amusing.
 

Charlie Ventura

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What this really shows is how misinformed and ignorant (not stupid) the electorate really is. They are swayed by the propaganda/lies presented by the DNC showing grandma in her wheelchair being pushed off the cliff. The fact is, no one in the Republican Party is suggesting that any revision in Social Security or Medicare would affect anyone currently receiving those benefits. The proposals would only affect those under 55 years old.

Social Security needs to be privatized and brought into a program that is similar to that which is enjoyed in Chile.

What part of the word "BROKE" don't the Democrats ... and for that matter, the general electorate, understand? Contrary to all of the opinions posted so far in this thread, this is NOT good news for the country. The entitlement programs are not only broken and rife with fraud, they no longer make any sense. Again, compare our Social Security system with Chile's.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj15n2-3-1.html
 

mame

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What this really shows is how misinformed and ignorant (not stupid) the electorate really is. They are swayed by the propaganda/lies presented by the DNC showing grandma in her wheelchair being pushed off the cliff. The fact is, no one in the Republican Party is suggesting that any revision in Social Security or Medicare would affect anyone currently receiving those benefits. The proposals would only affect those under 55 years old.
Uhm, so because the current seniors wont be effected it should be okay to them that their children will only enjoy about half the benefits as them?

Social Security needs to be privatized and brought into a program that is similar to that which is enjoyed in Chile.
What part of the word "BROKE" don't the Democrats ... and for that matter, the general electorate, understand? Contrary to all of the opinions posted so far in this thread, this is NOT good news for the country. The entitlement programs are not only broken and rife with fraud, they no longer make any sense. Again, compare our Social Security system with Chile's. http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj15n2-3-1.html
Uhm, you realize how shitty the Chilean system really is right? Nevermind that they had to add a medicare-esque public system for poor seniors in 2008 because so many people were left out of the system... The Chilean system is already showing to be more expensive than advertised - at 3 times more expensive than medicare for equal coverage. Also, the returns are actually less. The commonly cited "average returns" number is inflated due to a period of high inflation when the system was new, returns in the last several years are actually less in comparison to medicare, etc. You know how it was put in place in the first place? By a right-wing dictator - and he excluded the military from the private plan, giving them the more generous public benefits, to gain military support for it. Everyone else hates it...

Also, Medicare is solvent for what, 20 more years? 75% solvent till 2080? Most of our problems are stemming from healthcare costs, not so much with excessive benefits. Doesn't look like much of a crysis is looming to me... Seems like the Republicans are overstating the issue for political points(especially the part where they say it's all "runaway spending!" when in reality a good portion of our deficits is a direct result of tax cuts)..

oh oh oh, I almost forgot to bash you for linking the Cato institute... Haven't you noticed that they're the only idiots promoting this plan? Haven't you ever noticed that specifics are never discussed by Republican politicians? Man, you righties talk about government trying to cheat you (mostly laying blame on the "big government" left) but it's your own party pulling the rug out from under your feet. Pretty amazing.
 

Carne Seca

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The Ryan Plan will hurt Seniors NOW, not on some future date

Isn't it great to see Dems take the fight directly to the GOP and to point out the falsehoods of the Ryan Plan too? Dems To GOP: Stop Lying To Seniors That Republican Budget Won’t Impact Current Medicare Beneficiaries

Republicans have been using the 10-year buffer to protect themselves from attacks from current seniors ever since they unveiled the plan earlier this year. Democrats have been slow to point out that the argument is false. "What the Republicans are saying -- that this won't affect seniors now, that the cuts are all off in future years -- is flat out false," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI). "In the reform bill that we passed, we solved, over time, the problem of the Donut Hole -- the dreaded coverage gap that seniors fall into when their prescriptions can't be paid for any longer. That solution to the donut hole problem gets repealed by the Ryan budget. And that will hit home right away to seniors in Rhode Island and seniors across this country."
Remember the Affordable Care Act, that Democrats passed last year?
Well that Dem Plan fixes the 'Donut Hole' gap in prescription coverage that Seniors now often have to pay "out of pocket" -- often with money they don't have.
Well, if the GOP got their way, the Paul Ryan Medicare-ending Plan, would also put that 'Donut Hole' squarely back into Seniors personal Budget decisions.
Pain NOW -- Not later. Not 10 years from now, like Ryan likes to say.

Taken from here
 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
^^^ Am I hearing the sound of licking the hands of your masters that feed you? Its time to move off of the Federal Plantation folks.
 

BendBrewer

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I am under 55. The Republicans don't want me to benefit from something I pay $1000 into every year. Republicans are currently claiming that "I expect the government to take care of me when I am older", yet I pay $1000 a year for it and am not allowed to participate in the program and if the Republicans have their way, never will.

How is that fair to my generation who has been paying into this system all of their lives?
 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
I am under 55. The Republicans don't want me to benefit from something I pay $1000 into every year. Republicans are currently claiming that "I expect the government to take care of me when I am older", yet I pay $1000 a year for it and am not allowed to participate in the program and if the Republicans have their way, never will.

How is that fair to my generation who has been paying into this system all of their lives?
Its not fair. Life isn't fair. You, I, and the rest of us, have been paying into a lie. A Ponzi scheme. The fairness issue came up with the victims of Bernie Madoff as well. The government's Ponzi scheme known as Medicare and Social Security makes Madoff look like a rank rookie. The system is broken. It needs to be fixed. That's what Ryan and most libertarian-based thinkers are trying to do. Its either fix the system or abandon it. Which do you prefer?
 

Carne Seca

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The GOP was really quick in throwing Ryan under the bus. It's hilarious. I've been belly laughing all day. :D
 
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