diesel ryder perpetual grow

i was wondering if you could help or point me in the right direction.
im trying to see what i need to do to achieve a perpetual grow with my diesel ryder thats on its way.

i have heard talk of 24/7 light cycles continuously and was wondering if that is even possible/advisable.

appreciate it,
Easton

nobody...?

WeBreedGreatness said:

nobody...?

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AHH yea we are here but you give no information about your grow and how you plan to do it.

There are 2 threads here a SOG and a perpetual community that will help you but you need to give more info.

see thats the problem, i NEED that info too.
im just trying to see how one would go about doing a 24/7 perpetual grow.
any advice helps...

WeBreedGreatness said:

see thats the problem, i NEED that info too.
im just trying to see how one would go about doing a 24/7 perpetual grow.
any advice helps...

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LOL Ok the Old Sparky would answer this differently but this is the new Sparky so i will hold my tongue

Ok we need to know what your plan is to grow. You said you wanted to do perpetual but if i read you right you want us to tell you how to build your grow. I will tell you what, if you go read and understand both https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html and https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html and then come back with some of your own ideas of how you want to do it i am sure that we would be glad to help you get on your way.

Here again are 2 more threads that although there are knuckle heads there myself included, we love this type of grow and will help. https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/109497-sog-growers-wanted.html and https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/113191-hydroponic-perpetual-grow-community.html but you have to do some of the work yourself.

Look forward to seeing what you come up with.

well im trying to grow in a 2x2x4 box insulated with 1 inch styrofoam board. i plan on using an aerogarden to grow just 2-3 plants at a time so i could harvest a plant then plant another for my own mini perpetual grow. i plan to grow from seeds bc the diesel ryder cloning is impractical. i'm just in need of some info on if i can run my lights 24/7 for the DR so i can harvest faster.

WeBreedGreatness said:

well im trying to grow in a 2x2x4 box insulated with 1 inch styrofoam board. i plan on using an aerogarden to grow just 2-3 plants at a time so i could harvest a plant then plant another for my own mini perpetual grow. i plan to grow from seeds bc the diesel ryder cloning is impractical. i'm just in need of some info on if i can run my lights 24/7 for the DR so i can harvest faster.

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Ok now we are cooking with flame.

I don't grow with an areo garden but there are many threads here for them. I am going to say that its your lighting that will get you on this. I believe that the garden does not produce real high quality buds but that's up to you to decide.

Ok you want to do a perpetual. This is how i would do it using your set up. I would buy feminized seeds because you don't have the time to be messing around with males or female issues. Start 2 (just so you make sure you have 1 plants to set) using another area using floros 24/7 until they get about 4 sets of leaves keeping good track of the time to get to that point. i would set only 1 of the plants using 12/12

OR you could just germ in the Areo Garden and go straight into the flower from seed i said this because you said cloning was impractical. It has been done with success and there is no need to veg.

I would grow only main colas meaning cutting all the stems that are more than 1 or 2 inchs max allowing large colas to grow. when your plant is about the time away from havest that it took you to germ your seeds start again and put into your garden your new plant and repeat.
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Depending on how long it will take for your particular plant to finish depends on how far apart you set a new plant. It will take some time to figure that out. I still have not got that part down and its the most difficult because you really don't know your plants and what they will do using your set up.

See i did want to help i just needed more info.

Here you go !!! Get ahold of this guy he has some of your answers. His name is Gypsybush

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/109105-aerocloners-unite-19.html#post1519548

how would i be able to start the flowering early with an auto flowering strain?

Hey WBG...
What's kickin'...?

So I hear you want to use an AG (aerogarden) but say cloning is impractical?

May I ask why?

The reason is that with clones, you will be able to flower very small plants, compatible with the AG...

And as everyone knows, you will need extra lighting...

Here is what I managed to do with clones on my AG... first day, and last day... and some bud shots...

Cheers...

Gypsy...

i get all the stuff about growing from clones, but im saying doing a perpetual grow in an ag with clones would be inpractical with this strain bc its total harvest time is too short to get the clones to root quick, itd be about the same starting from seeds imo.
i was thinking that with my first ladies to just pollinate them and get a shit load of seed then just grow till im out and repeat.

but if i was to flower clones, where would i keep the mother? i dont want to have a separate mother box.

and yes, i do realize i will need more lighting, but just my luck, my box isnt complete yet so there is plenty room for improvement.

thanks for your help so far

WeBreedGreatness said:

i get all the stuff about growing from clones, but im saying doing a perpetual grow in an ag with clones would be inpractical with this strain bc its total harvest time is too short to get the clones to root quick,

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Yeah, I know nothing about auto-flowering strains..

WeBreedGreatness said:

itd be about the same starting from seeds imo.

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Still, I would think it would be better to work with known females... but then again.. I don't know anything about auto-flowering strains...

WeBreedGreatness said:

i was thinking that with my first ladies to just pollinate them and get a shit load of seed then just grow till im out and repeat.

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Sure... it sounds like extra work to me... but... do I have to say it again? auto-flowering is just out of my realm...

WeBreedGreatness said:

but if i was to flower clones, where would i keep the mother? i dont want to have a separate mother box.

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You can keep seed in a dark drawer, but you cannot keep a mom there...

No other space for veg? then you can't do clones... or a mother...

Seems like you have the right idea from the beginning... but in my opinion... why not use a non-auto flowering strain and clone... known females 100% of the time....

I know I know... it's your grow... you're gonna grow what you want... sorry...lol..

WeBreedGreatness said:

and yes, i do realize i will need more lighting, but just my luck, my box isnt complete yet so there is plenty room for improvement.

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Cool, have you considered "cool tubing" an HPS ???

I have a 600 in my tent right now... 36 x 20 x 60... temp is 75 with the light 10" away...

Oh.. almost forgot...

Here is my new seed cracker/cloner for the AG...

What do you think???

Cheers...

WeBreedGreatness said:

thanks for your help so far

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damn thats tight!

if i had more room i probably would do a mother/cloner box, but i can only have one box and unless these plants end up being midgets, i wont be able to throw a shelf into it.

oh and i had a question about mothers.
when keeping a mother you just keep it in veg right? so that it keeps growing and sprouting more branches.
is there a limit to how long you can keep a mother?

WeBreedGreatness said:

damn thats tight!

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Thanks... we'll see how it works... it's been 36 hours... no seeds cracked yet.... but the clones seem to be doing ok....

WeBreedGreatness said:

if i had more room i probably would do a mother/cloner box, but i can only have one box and unless these plants end up being midgets, i wont be able to throw a shelf into it.

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I hear ya...

I saw someone on here that kept his mother in an XBOX 360 cardboard box... with some pc fans and a CFL inside of one of those oil lamp tubes for the "cool tube" effect... he was at home from school but didn't want to loose the plant... or something like that... pretty cool way to do it with minimal space...

WeBreedGreatness said:

oh and i had a question about mothers.
when keeping a mother you just keep it in veg right? so that it keeps growing and sprouting more branches.

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Yup giver 18/6 or better and she'll keep on vegging... unless it's one of the auto-flowering strains I know nothing about....lol...

WeBreedGreatness said:

is there a limit to how long you can keep a mother?

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I know people that keep them for quite a few years... but their metabolism changes.. they slow down and get more prone to diseases... a fresh mom (up to a year) will give you the most vigorous growing...

ok sweet

i was also wondering, if i cut a clone, will it be at the same stage as the mother or start at the growth stage appropriate for its height?
and will the clone need a special light regiment?

i was wondering this because i was thinking of if i would be able to cut one clone from a plant 2-3 weeks into veg and then do the same to that plant so i'd have a lil perpetual grow going on. so eventual i'd harvest ever 2-3 weeks and plant a fresh clone.

Well, since Diesel Ryder is an autoflowering strain you would pretty much turn out with one of Gypsy's buds if you tried to clone it. (Only an assumption)

Since they flower really fast (roughly 2 weeks) it would be hard to get them to root and produce a good amount of bud.

You cant really have a perpetual harvest of clones with this strain, but you can if you pollinate a female and get seeds and keep replanting them.

I think it would be smarter to stick with 1 mother plant and take clones...

All up to you though man...

Oh and shout out to Gypsy, How you been man? And hows the leg coming along?

hey thanks for all your help guys, i pretty much know what i gotta do now, so all thats left is to put it to the test and see where it goes.
maybe on a next project i'll try for a mother and clone it.

i'll let you know how it all goes.

WeBreedGreatness said:

how would i be able to start the flowering early with an auto flowering strain?

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You can't. That's what makes it "auto-flowering." Flowering is controlled by the plant's own internal clock, not by the photoperiod.

You can't clone them either for the same reason.

WeBreedGreatness said:

if i cut a clone, will it be at the same stage as the mother or start at the growth stage appropriate for its height?

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A clone is as developed (sexually) as their mother was at the time of cutting...

That's is why I was able to flower clones that were 3" high...

WeBreedGreatness said:

and will the clone need a special light regiment?

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I do 18/6 with fluorescent lights for my clones...

WeBreedGreatness said:

i was wondering this because i was thinking of if i would be able to cut one clone from a plant 2-3 weeks into veg and then do the same to that plant so i'd have a lil perpetual grow going on. so eventual i'd harvest ever 2-3 weeks and plant a fresh clone.

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There are about a GAZILLION way to do this... and they are all right... it just depends which one suits our knowledge and environment...

Experiment, and let NO ONE tell you that you can't do it that way...

I was told I was going to fail, and I got 1.2oz out of my nightstand...

Jou said:

Well, since Diesel Ryder is an autoflowering strain you would pretty much turn out with one of Gypsy's buds if you tried to clone it. (Only an assumption)

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Like one of these???

Jou said:

Since they flower really fast (roughly 2 weeks) it would be hard to get them to root and produce a good amount of bud.

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Yeah, but if they are smaller you could get more, smaller buds... out of the same space....

Jou said:

You cant really have a perpetual harvest of clones with this strain, but you can if you pollinate a female and get seeds and keep replanting them.

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And deal with males every batch..? I think I would rather deal with small buds on stcks...lol...

Jou said:

I think it would be smarter to stick with 1 mother plant and take clones...

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Agreed.. and you really don't have to keep a mother, if you have your cloning down... just take clones from the rooted clones right before they go into flowering....

Jou said:

All up to you though man...

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We are masters of our environment... and the environment is everything that is not us...

Jou said:

Oh and shout out to Gypsy, How you been man? And hows the leg coming along?

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Sup Jou...?!

Things are good Thanks... leg is still being a pain in the ass....

Still doing 20+ hours of phys. therapy a week... start acupuncture next week... surgery #4 scheduled for the first week of January... you know... havin' a balll..lol...lol..

Did you see Gypsy's bud box? lol..

Hope all is well with you...

WeBreedGreatness said:

hey thanks for all your help guys, i pretty much know what i gotta do now, so all thats left is to put it to the test and see where it goes.
maybe on a next project i'll try for a mother and clone it.

i'll let you know how it all goes.

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Best of luck mate...

ElBarto said:

You can't. That's what makes it "auto-flowering." Flowering is controlled by the plant's own internal clock, not by the photoperiod.

You can't clone them either for the same reason.

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Can't 'cause they won't take?

or can't cause they will be small, and you want lots?

I am growing an auto strain as well the ak47 autoflower. I am on day number 27 from germination. I got white hairs all over the little laidies oh by the way two 85 watt cfls two 43 watt cfls and 4 14 watt cfls all red spectrum except for one 85 watt which is the blue spectrum. I am growing using bubbleponics so we are a little bit different as set up wise but other than that you have the dieselryder and I have the akryder I will post pics later