Dispensaries comming to Maine this fall (if we're lucky)

yourboylex

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what kind of non-profit does it have to be? does anyone know yet?
Hey guys also very interested in how this will all go down, the other day i have spoken with a rep from safe access, he said about 4 to 5 months is when the licences are going to be available right now they are forming a task force to deal with all the little things like said earlier zoning and so on......

Please any info gathered should be put directly into this thread. :clap:
 

cerberus

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I wouldn't move here just yet for this, it looks like its going to go the way of New Mexico/Rhode Island by having only one major dispensary provide throughout the state. Its not going to be like cali.
 

Kruzty

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I run a compassion club here in Michigan and have been watching this in the news. Do any of ya have a link to the new admendment you guys just voted in ?? I tried your local normls for a link and the mpp without any luck so thought I'd try here. I dont want news links but a link to the laws admendment its self.We're working on this in Michigan too and would like to read what you guys voted in word for word.
 

Kruzty

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Thank you. Shit been trying to find this since you guys voted it in and have gotten no wheres. My email to the mpp got me a link to norml and this question got me a dam link back to mpp. Wtf,,, come here and blam,,, question answered. Thank-you I'll post this info up on our clubs website and start getting after this. Thanks again

Kruzty
exec dir
Berrien County Compassion Club
Michigan
 

samshady

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I'm in the raymond casco area. I am pumped for this new law, but everyone should not get to excited yet until all the details are out in a few months. Keep me posted!
 

ink the world

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Update:

The panel has been meeting for the last 2 weeks to get all the regulations in place. There are a bunch of sticking points. Dont forget that the panel includes Police and the state Atty. General.
The main sticking point is over the wording in the law specifically "chronic pain", and how many dispensaries are needed.

The law enforcement end says that leaves only about 4,000-5,000 people eligible in the entire state. They are NOT considering "chronic pain" to be any change in the acceptable ailments that were already in place. Because of the small amount of patients eligible the way they interpret the law they have also mentioned the need for only 1-3 dispensaries for the entire state. They also want some kind of regulations monitoring the "potency and quality" of MMJ. They are clearly trying to overcome the spirit of the law.

The MMJ side and the MD's are saying that anything that causes chronic pain (arthritis for example) is covered under the law. Obviousely the MMJ people are also against the idea of 1 dispensary, they also want an amendment to the law forbidding any municipality from banning dispensaries. The MMJ people have warned as has the Governor to heed the will of the people and their votes. Lets just hope they all do.
 

me8980109

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OK, I just posted this on another topic but could go here as well, sorry for the double post but wasn't sure how to link to it.

You have to be a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit. Better get a lawyer, form a board of directors with responsible Maine residents which means being connected. We are talking lawyers, doctors, community leaders, retired judges, etc. All packages will be given a complete once over and DHHS will select the best qualified applicants.

I have been involved with the Task Force meetings to establish the regulations for caregivers and dispensaries. The restrictions coming out in the very near future may surprise many patients, would be caregivers and potential dispensary owners in Maine.

We are expecting to adopt legislation like New Mexico, a very limited number of initial dispensaries, 1-3 tops. There is a $5,000 license fee, you have to be a registered non-profit orginization, and you will have to do all of this in the next 45 days, not possible.

The state is going to modify the law to pull patients away from caregivers and they are looking at having the Department of Agriculture handling the growing operation. It hasn't been decided yet, I met with the Task Force on Jan 5th, but they may adopt a position where the state grows the nursery stock to maintain oversight and then sell the nursery stock to patients, caregivers, and dispensaries. They are also considering that the Department of Agriculure will grow everything from start to finish and provide that to registered patients, caregivers, and dispensaries for a fee.

All registered and unregistered patients, caregivers, and dispensaries would be required to buy the nursery stock from the state. They are looking at setting price controls the same way they control alcohol here. Price controls mean that would be caregivers have to compete with the state authorized dispensaries yet are severly restricted in the number of strains they can provide to patients because of plant number requirements (6 per patient).

The state Department of Agriculture would afix seals to all plants sold which will expire 120 days after sale. Police and inspectors would know at a glance if a grow is legal. This means that anyone growing from their own stock would be deemed illegal. This also means that if everyone has the same genetics, patients will move to dispensaries because of selection. They are looking to make it financially not profitable for caregivers or patients to grow. They are considering a price of $80-100 and ounce at dispensaries which means a lot of profit is gone for would be caregivers and they would have to compete at that price point or patients will go to the dispensaries simply because of better selection, all other things being equal.

You will also have to pay for each plant purchased and that may be as much as $30 a plant. You see where this is going? Regulation and oversight.

Several people on the Task Force are going to force regulation on this industry in Maine that you have not seen in any other state. I am a patient, I am a caregiver, I am co-founder of a non-profit that has a package waiting, it's taken well over 8 months of dedicated effort and in the end it may be for nothing.

Maine is going to shock a lot of folks, especially patients that are "unregistered" under the old law. They would remain legal under the old law however under the new proposed changes they would be required to purchase from the state facility, show proof everytime they purchase unless they are on the state registry. They are trying to eliminate patients that obtained a doctors recomendation six or seven years ago and have never had it updated. This will force them to register and get updated paperwork. If they grow without state supplied nursery stock they will be prosecuted.

There is a backlash right now when you talk to other dispensary owners because of the loose regulation surrounding this, overall it's not good for the industry and for the ultimate goal of most smokers. Even in California individual towns are looking for way to shutdown operations, not good. The problem is everyone see's a flood of dispensaries as a logical step to legalization which it is not. The more they push to play fast and loose the more people become unaccepting. The clear path to legalization is a steady approach of public acceptance; medical use first, greater state oversight, price controls, better public acceptance, state established facilities much like liquor stores.

I totally support legalization, but that will never happen without the government getting their share, won't happen. Small baby steps are needed.

I know this is not the news everyone wants to hear about Maine, but it is the reality of whats coming. Maine Common Sense is a good group and they are working hard to keep this type of regulation from happening, but in the end the state will do what they feel is needed. Remember that this is about patients that need medication. The price controls that the state is considering may not be good for business but it will ultimately be much better for patients who pay out of pocket. By the way, all strains would cost the same under the proposed rules change.:clap:
 

ink the world

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No offense to you personally, I mean that; I'm sure you've worked hard and spent much time and effort on this. For that I thank you.

BUT, the Task Farce, oops I meant Force have basically raped the intent of the law the WE the voters passed. This is nothing more than the state side stepping the will of the people and the ballot initiative that we passed. You are supporting this?

1. State run, grown and distributed only medicine
2. A maximum of 3 dispensaries for the entire state w/ a land mass of 33,215 square miles. So thats 1 dispensary for every 11,000 miles.
3. Patients can only grow plants they buy from the state, which means state approved genetics only

I have Degenerative Arthritis, I was not covered under the states law, I doubt I will be the future. I know that someone from DHS now has final say if MMJ is helpful to me, from the path the task force is taking I know I wont qualify, Im not dying I just live in pain 24/7. I wont bother to get a card if I can.

So this scenario could be a reality?:
If by some chance I could get my card, i could have to drive up to 10 hours round trip to buy state grown schwag for $100 an Oz.? With gas and tolls that would cost me more $ than if I bought it black market.

Its a joke, I guess we just have to try again and get a real initiative passed that doesnt allow the state the ability to apply complete, iron-fisted control and basically ignore the initative.

I couldn't care less about profitability, I care about not being a criminal anymore. This offers no help at all.
Epic fail.
 

ink the world

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Ugghh:
Some of the great ideas being tossed around:

Not allowing dispensaries to grow
Not allowing greenhouses
Not allowing private caregivers
$5,000 license fee for each year for caregivers, and for dispensaries.
Dispensaries not being allowed to grow until they have patients (so a dispensary will have a 3 month lag between opening and harvesting meds.)
The seem to be obsessed w/ New Mexico's laws, and seem to be leaning towards adopting those laws.
One jackass member is comparing MMJ to Oxycontin, Heroin and Cocaine. And saying that MMJ will lead to more abuse of all the above.
 

growone

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sorry to see this crap ink, watching the goings on in NY which seems to be getting ready to set up a dispensary only system in the legislature
we won't have dick that we can do about it, legislators will cook up what they want
i hope for Maine's sake that court challenges are being prepared now
you will have the 'high ground', if it's this blatant, then there should be hope the judiciary may take a hand in things
 

ink the world

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I'm taking the day off of work to listen to this, its amazing how the system "works"

"I'm concerned that the black market is going to take over"

"I'm concerned that growers could adulterate the marijuana w/ other drugs to hook the patients"
It's like the meeting is being held back in time like in 1950.
"No dispensaries can sell incense" You gotta be fucking kidding me

Now discussing: $5,000 fee for dispensaries per year, another $5,000 for the dispensary to grow. So that's $10,000 per year in fees being discussed.
 

Rob Roy

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Sorry to disappint you, but Medical Marijuana will always be fucked if it is controlled by government. Marijuana should be legal, period. The underlying premise of "government knows what's best for you" is the problem. YOU should own you, I should own me. YOU and only YOU should decide what does or does not go into your body.
 

ink the world

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Sorry to disappint you, but Medical Marijuana will always be fucked if it is controlled by government. Marijuana should be legal, period. The underlying premise of "government knows what's best for you" is the problem. YOU should own you, I should own me. YOU and only YOU should decide what does or does not go into your body.
Understood and I agree 100%.
But at this time that isnt on the horizon here in Maine, MMJ is and has been voted on. I have a feeling there will be an Initiative for full legalization started real soon similar to those in Massachusetts and others states
 
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