Discussion in 'LED and other Lighting' started by robincnn, Nov 19, 2016.
My money was on Spud face being that Old Mother Sativa guy...
I'm still going with that.
He's got nothing. Being out of stock is frankly a sign of success.
He's just jealous.
Furthermore, you haven't misrepresented the product, specifications, performance, cost, availability or your willingness to stand behind it in any way. That's pretty unassailable.
Frankly, anyone who wants to complain about shady LED sellers has a world of options to choose from; that he's grinding on you to the exclusion of all others is the most telling sign that he's got a dog in this fight he not willing to admit to.
Y'all keep up the good work.
You're just a liar, it's as simple as that.
What's the difference in the quantum boards, nextlight, and the other quantum boards I'm seeing on IG for 50$? I know nextlight lights are certified with a 5 year warranty over priced but certified and they put out. So as a customer looking for a few boards for a 5x5 space what's make these boards more better then the other 2?
The differences boil down to efficiency. Quantum boards use substantially more efficient chips and use more of them per watt driven, both of which improve light output on a per watt basis.
So the benefits include saving energy, more light and needing less cooling.
How do customers know that? Everyone isn't light savvy you know. Most of us just like to plug and grow. Like I'm seeing this 550 for like 1k that only covers a 4.5x4.5. The nextlight mega covers a 5x5 with a 7x7 veg footprint. And dude on IG is using the same lights that these quantum boards is using (allegedly) for hundreds cheaper. I have a friend using them and he says those 50$ boards is killing in his garden. So I'm just trying to see what's the best bang for my buck. Everyone says their light is the most efficient but we the customers never see side by sides grow offs to prove that.
Pick one side of that fence and get on it.
First you want advice. Then you complain about the advice you're given.
If you don't believe me then by all means educate yourself about the chips and systems involved. But don't question my credibility and then refuse to do your homework.
Do you make lights? Do you own quantum? Do you have boards? I have a few nextlight veg8's for veg and a mini for veg. They kick ass in veg. And my first question wasn't for you if you're not a owner of the said quantum board company. Your advice wasn't nothing but more efficient blah blah. How do you know they are more efficient if you never ran both side by side?
Well one thing you can see with our company is that we have our products lab tested. Secondly the $50 board has less LEDs = either less wattage per board or less efficient at = wattage.
The coverage area of a fixture is just the opinion of the manufacturer. The HLG 550 will cover a 5X5 area for flower and a 7X7 for veg just fine......Is it optimum? No but it will do it . Most greenhouse DE fixtures only cover a 4x6 area at 1000+ watts. As far as side by sides there are literally hundreds of different lights out there. You would need to do at least 5 single variable side by side tests to really prove the superior product. Couple that with 10 new led companies every week, a rapidly changing tech, and no one with the ability/or money to actually run 50+ different lights/ grow areas and you can see that side by sides are kinda a no go...... Just think you don't see side by side grows from Gavita...... A company worth in excess of 200 million...... What do you think the little guys can do...... The best thing a customer can do is study and educate themselves as much as they can and try to make a wise decision based on that. Also looking at others who have used the product. Is there anything wrong with the $50 boards you are talking about? Probably not..... Do they have heat sinks available? Optics? Driver combinations? Do you know the track record of the company? If your friend is using them and he likes them look into them more..... May be a good product.
Just trying to help. This is why we sell our complete fixtures in the brick and mortar hydro stores. Those mom and pops do a lot of the "experimenting" for you.
My suggestion is to study up before spending your money......
I've been looking into electric skate boards and until I really did my homework it was boosted board 100% well that's about my last pick now lol.
The QBs are more efficient because we use 2 generations newer LEDs. The QBs have been lab tested and confirmed more efficient. The HLG 550 is 2.4 umol/j look into the numbers..... Study study study......
So these numbers isn't accurate? Where are the lab tested results on your site? Are these boards UL certified? Or we the customers suppose to just go off your word? You just said 2.4 umol but the site says something different. You can see the confusion correct?
Yes of course. Like I said I recommend about 20 sq ft of coverage for flower. The website has S5 bin diodes numbers but we are S6 now which is a 6-10% jump so 2.4 is being conservative honestly. Also the old numbers where with HLG 240 drivers that run 92-93% efficient the 480 driver we use now is 95% so as I was saying I would rather under promise and over perform than vice versa. We are trying to legitimize the led market at least on our end.... Hope you understand. No UL on the HLG 550 ..... Yet
One more question why are you selling lights that's not certified? That puts you in the same boat as the $50 board pusher.
The lab test numbers are in this thread. The numbers in the QB project are from the lab test.
I guess because honestly I have changed designs so many times keeping in the bleeding edge that I would either (A) Have to increase prices (B) Stick with dated hardware for a while. The HLG-550 is aimed more at the tent style grower .My money will be better spent on certifying the upcoming HLG-550 PRO that uses optics with commercial grow facilities in mind. We use all UL listed parts so it's really just a technicality. We have an electrical engineer on the team so I feel pretty good about our product. Also not quite sure how others are getting UL/ETL with exposed LEDs but it's really not UL compliant. When you see how far we have gone on the PRO you'll understand. If I was in a tent though I would opt for the exposed LEDs and no optics honestly so thats why we offer this one without ETL.
Protip: fighting trolls in public is rarely a good look. Regardless of merit.
Any time I see "professionals" use caps lock I laugh, no offense. Lol
Successfully poor planning lol. Again no offense.
People jumping to defend this co are as bad as the trolls imo. Let them handle their own business. I know from the origins of this thread tty thinks he's "part of the team" but youre not, and they are far better off because of it lol. Stick to growing and leave business to people who are clued in.
Trolls, what a sad and pathetic existence. To expend all that energy to be negative and not really get anything out of it says a lot about someones mental state. Petty,shallow and vindictive like a spoiled child and out for revenge for any imagined slight, what a way to go through life.
Maybe people defending this company are customers who like the product? As far as "poor planning" all the big corps have been guilty of this as well as the toy makers who don't make enough of the latest fad. Please tell me how you would have handled it differently? If they had ordered a lot more diodes initially, they would have been s5's and then the s6's would have come out and all the trolls would have been crying "you're using old tech!"
To all at HLG stop feeding the Trolls, get on with your own business, the QB's can do their own talking. No point wasting your time on here arguing.
A happy customer here for sure, anytime I have had a query a quick email to Robin and it's sorted. Priceless.
Very Happy customer here as well. With HLG, I'm not the least bit concerned that the chips are what they say they are. I'm not the least bit concerned they are hard to get. I'm not worried they will still be here if I run into an issue.
I went from ~450 watts of "other" led to 250 watts of QB, and I still had to raise the lights because the leaves were getting too much light. I don't have an issue with too much good light.
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