DNC Email Leak

Fogdog said:

So, what crimes were committed? Name them. I'm not aware of any charges. Or even anybody naming the laws that were broken. Its not that I don't think anything illegal happened, what I'm saying is that I'm not aware of any laws being broken. I'm no lawyer either. Maybe there should be a law.

Why are you so hot about the difference in our opinion? I don't get it.

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Milliardo Peacecraft said:

That sounds credible, got a source big guy?

Also: Juanita Broaddrick

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ttystikk said:

I've heard more anecdotal talk than I can spit out about vote rigging, failure to count votes, disenfranchisement, etc, etc.

Why don't YOU prove no significant shenanigans happened?

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Fogdog said:

Hillary won the election. I'm not the one claiming fraud.

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ttystikk said:

Berkeley and Stanford professors both disagree with you;
http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/

We do not live in a democracy while this is allowed to stand.

What I don't understand is, in the face of all the evidence, why you still stick your head in the sand?

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Milliardo Peacecraft said:

That just isn't credible man, unless you can provide a source and a conviction, that could just be an attempt to litigate money out of a billionaire (that NEVER happens, right?)

Look, Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick. He settled the case in court for some $300,000 for a no fault verdict. The guy sexually importuned on an intern during his presidency and then lied about it under oath. The guy is a sexual predator, that much is known and not speculated by some Huffinton Post hatchet job. Sorry man, your narrative just isn't credible. Classic liberal deflection, accuse your accuser of your crimes. "THIEF THIEF" yells the pickpocket to confuse the crowd to evade capture. It's a Shakespearean trope.

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Fogdog said:

We still live in a imperfect democracy. Obama beat Hillary with the same machine working against him.

So, all that media manipulation. Yet I voted for Bernie, so did you and about 12 million others. Why should I disrespect the 16 million people who voted for Hillary when the media "blackout" didn't affect me? I think the honest voter will filter that stuff out and make up their own mind just like me.

It takes more than an academic statistical study to convince me that Hillary STOLE the election. Reversing the result of an election is a big deal. But you have been ready for this conclusion from the beginning. There is a term used to describe a person's behavior when he looks only to information that confirms his belief. It's called confirmation bias.

The study you post is interesting. Did you read it? I'm only to page 6 and have to go do other things. This is what I'd like to put forth for you to rebut. Please tone down the bs, I mean rhetoric, OK?

1. This is an initial result and has not gone through peer review.
2. There were many modeling results. The millions to 1 odds that Hillary could only have won was from one modeling result. I haven't seen results from others, maybe later in the paper. If not then this looks like cherry picking but I don't know that yet.
3. There is a discrepancy in the report. Again, I've just had a look at the report but there is a lot of focus on favorability ratings going in Bernie's favor and how that conflicts with past election results. Conclusion, must be rigged. Yet, when the poll asked who would you like to see be the presidential candidate, Hillary was chosen, 49% for Hillary and 43% for Bernie. My conclusion is that voters chose Hillary because they thought he was more likely to beat the GOP nominee. Which aligns pretty well to what happened.
4. The funny data in the report is this: This is in stark contrast with the results in the non paper-trail states, where Clinton won the African American vote with 83%. In the paper-trail states, she only won them with 74% of the votes. The latter lying far closer to the polling results.
74% of the black vote is a whopping big margin of victory and hardly exhibits some sort of malfeasance. Why are there only 22 states counted on the graph that "demonstrates" the discrepancy. There were 12 states with a paper trail and 10 states without. What about the other 30 states? This is funny data and sets off red flags from whenever I see it. And I've seen it a lot as a technical professional. Usually somebody is hiding inconvenient data.
5. The assertion of this paper is not that the media blackout was a factor. The assertion is that somebody hacked the polling machines in every state that didn't have a paper trail. Wow, that's a big deal.

So, then yes, there is an accusation of crime here. But that paper would not hold it's own weight in court.

I'll go through this more carefully later and will reply back if I find anything to change my initial impression that this report is academic, not peer reviewed and sketchy.

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Fogdog said:

Do you think a crime was committed? Did Hillary break any laws?

If no laws were broken then maybe we should talk about making some new ones so this doesn't happen again.

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selected by a fair and equitable process, the Democratic National Committee may adopt such statements
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Fogdog said:

We still live in a imperfect democracy. Obama beat Hillary with the same machine working against him.

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Fogdog said:

So, all that media manipulation. Yet I voted for Bernie, so did you and about 12 million others. Why should I disrespect the 16 million people who voted for Hillary when the media "blackout" didn't affect me? I think the honest voter will filter that stuff out and make up their own mind just like me.

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Milliardo Peacecraft said:

That just isn't credible man, unless you can provide a source and a conviction, that could just be an attempt to litigate money out of a billionaire (that NEVER happens, right?)

Look, Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick. He settled the case in court for some $300,000 for a no fault verdict. The guy sexually importuned on an intern during his presidency and then lied about it under oath. The guy is a sexual predator, that much is known and not speculated by some Huffinton Post hatchet job. Sorry man, your narrative just isn't credible. Classic liberal deflection, accuse your accuser of your crimes. "THIEF THIEF" yells the pickpocket to confuse the crowd to evade capture. It's a Shakespearean trope.

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desert dude said:

Pretty funny stuff here.

"Did Hillary break any laws?"

Trump, or Hillary? The US is screwed. It's hard to believe that one of these two is going to be president.

Johnson/Weld.

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UncleBuck said:

wow, you really are a dumb child. too daft and moronic to even understand the double standard that you are employing. let me attempt to explain it to you.

you have called hillary a criminal even though she has not been convicted of any crime. using that very same standard, we can say that donald trump is a pedophile who rapes 13 year old girls, because he is on trial for that right now in federal court. he's also on trial for fraud and racketeering in multiple states right now, so he's guilty of that too.

in a final pathetic and desperate attempt to take the focus off your racist, child-raping, bankruptcy declaring con man of a hero, you then accuse someone who is not even running for president of rape.

what you ignore is that fact that donald trump has settled a rape charge before to avoid standing trial for it.

in 1997, donald trump raped jill harth and covered it up with hush money. that was after he settled a rape case involving his own ex-wife.

donald trump routinely hangs around with convicted pedophile jeffery eppstein as well.

donald trump is definitely a pedophile and a rapist many times over.

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Padawanbater2 said:

This is 2008, Clinton's donors v. Obama's donors;

"the same machine working against him" ?

They won't, 95% of the time; Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

Media manipulation has a HUGE impact on American democracy

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ttystikk said:

No, the Mr Obama vs Mrs Clinton contest was NOT the same, Mr Obama was a democrat.

I didn't read further.

You keep saying things that aren't true hoping to convince me of a bigger lie.

Wtf?

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Padawanbater2 said:

This is 2008, Clinton's donors v. Obama's donors;

"the same machine working against him" ?

They won't, 95% of the time; Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

Media manipulation has a HUGE impact on American democracy

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ttystikk said:

THANK YOU. The research you do is very important.

It's important because people like @Fogdog need to know the truth; that our democracy ISN'T unless the candidates are treated fairly.

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Padawanbater2 said:

This is 2008, Clinton's donors v. Obama's donors;

"the same machine working against him" ?

They won't, 95% of the time; Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

Media manipulation has a HUGE impact on American democracy

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