Do I go 48hours dark before 12/12 or just 12/12 ?

Cletus clem

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so if I water at 500ppm and run off is 700 what does this mean and vise versa if it goes in at 500 and comes out at 300ppm?
If you feed at 500 and ppm is 700, you are most likely flushing excess salts and such out. Your plants are not utilizing everything youre giving them between feedings. I cant really see it going the other way but i could be wrong? With synthetic nutes, in theory your runoff should be at least what youre puttting in. I use nector for the gods, king of like an organic ammended soil style but in a bottled nute program. When i feed it looks like filthy mop water going in, almost clear runoff (like you rinsed out the coffee pot from yesterday that had a couple sips burnt to the bottom) even in this scenario where my soil and roots are filtering out alot of what im putting in, the actual dissolved solids (tds, ec, ppm) should still be at least what it started as. If i am wrong, im hoping somebody will drop some science! Live and learn.
 

Dylanfurlong

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When adding extra calmag do you add with your normal feeding program at half strength. Or just calmag with optimum water etc? .
 

Dr. Who

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Do not take this as critcism, well, distasteful or bad spirited anyway....Running c02 if not in a totally sealed recirc room, will only be truly beneficial once you have things dialed in. It seems like youre still figuring things out. I would suggest cutting off the c02 for now and get your room, strains and nutes dialed in, then add the c02 in and play with it. start pushing your plants a little at a time. C02 is only used by the plants during lights on, thats why people only run it then. Dont think its harmful at lights out but no need to waste it. Recirc setups need supplemental c02 as no fresh air is being brought in. The only thing the fresh air has that the plants need is c02. I assume most people in a setup like that are running ppm controllers with a photo sensor as it is very trick to do so without one.
I disagree with the way you suggest to dial in.

If you did it that way and added the Co2 later. Your likely to get some overfeeding problems. The Co2 increases growth by around 30+%. This increased growth is connected to the plant increasing everything it does to grow, by that same 30+%....

Dialing in is not just feeding! It's the total environmental package. Temps and RH control is part of the dial in. If you gas or not.

Another thing to consider is that to properly have that Co2 working for you. You'll need to be running higher temps and higher RH during lights on....This is where an environmental controller comes in......AND a system that exhausts is needed! The idea of a totally sealed room and no air exchange, is not the best idea for gassing. The logic of sealed is better....is not true.... Nelson's Greenhouse guide will reveal why, for Co2 generators, it's required the air be exchanged periodically.

Lastly. Just a heads up. While it's effective up to 1500 ppm. To actually get the plant to use that 1500 ppm, is basically next to impossible for the indoor lighted garden. We simply can't supply the amount of light needed to make 1500 ppm work.

The real upper limit or best effective ppm is 1300. Most who understand the laws of using Co2 will simply run at 1000 - 1200 ppm.

So will Co2 use at lower temps and RH work? Yes but, no where near as effectively as if the temps and RH are controlled to use the higher available Co2 at it's best ability. Here is where that VPD chart should be followed.

At 1300 ppm, you should be running temps in the high 80's to 90 and match the RH to the VPD chart. Set your environmental controller to just above those values and gassing pays off much better then holding lower values, like when not gassing.

There is all sorts of confirmation of this in scholarly information across the net. Ed Rosenthal lines this out also..

Good luck.
 

TacoMac

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Hi please could I ask if I should go straight to 12/12 or do the 48hr thing
. I am in cocohydro60/40 day 33 of veg 3x 600w hps 2x600w leds 3.3m x 3.3m space temps 24oc /25oc humidity 50 day 65 night running lsd gth dinachem whiterussian and 1 gsc feeding canna line nutes added co2 a weekago . Also do I need to renew co2 for the stretch? my ec is always around 1. and it looks like 2 plants find this too strong with light green tips but the rest may not be getting enough although can't see no other signs .New growth seems a lot lighter green recently I don't know if I am clearing co2 well enough at light's off as have no ppm meter for co2
And also dance around a camp fire for 6 hours, put down a three-legged rain turtle, sacrifice a live chicken, travel to Zimbabwe and give a live sacrifice and then give 250 dollars to the Church of Scientology.

Seriously...the amount of bullshit old wives tales people do to grow a fucking weed has reached epic proportions.
 

Hi crazii

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And also dance around a camp fire for 6 hours, put down a three-legged rain turtle, sacrifice a live chicken, travel to Zimbabwe and give a live sacrifice and then give 250 dollars to the Church of Scientology.

Seriously...the amount of bullshit old wives tales people do to grow a fucking weed has reached epic proportions.



Yes they make it complicated, you need a degree to even understand half off it lol. I've got a inlet. It's sucks in fresh co2 end off story hahahha. If I went in so much depth I'd be bold by know.
 

Dylanfurlong

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Well my temp is 80 rh 55 ec 1.1 co2 (don't know the ppm without a meter but set the controller to roomsize and run on timer for 15 min on each hour till lights off) water once every 2 days topped twice a couple have hollow stems ( dont know if its calcium def or genitics and they look like this...
 

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coreywebster

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When adding extra calmag do you add with your normal feeding program at half strength. Or just calmag with optimum water etc? .
If your adding it then do it to your full nutrient mix. You will probably find you don't need it later in flower.
Yet to see any pics with clear calcium def, but new coco does tend to need it, but yes canna coco range does have added calcium.
 

Dylanfurlong

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If your adding it then do it to your full nutrient mix. You will probably find you don't need it later in flower.
Yet to see any pics with clear calcium def, but new coco does tend to need it, but yes canna coco range does have added calcium.
If your adding it then do it to your full nutrient mix. You will probably find you don't need it later in flower.
Yet to see any pics with clear calcium def, but new coco does tend to need it, but yes canna coco range does have added calcium.
I had very little but light brown patches towards the edge of leaves on 2 plants not many leaves . Thanks for the advice on the coco . If I run higher ec would this make up for the calcium problem in coco as there is sodium and k in coco which makes the coco hold on to the calmag a lot as seen on cannas YouTube video
 

coreywebster

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You can go up on your EC, could well help. Hard to tell on your pics. But I used to run my canna coco up to 2.2 EC in mid/late flower. I don't go that far these days. Highest is 1.8. Which is still high. But I'm at about 1.2 in veg 1.4ec at the start of flower.
 

WeedFreak78

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I have just pulled 5 white Russians out because I thought they are male . Do you think these are male? 3 Russians left that look female :(
I agree with OldMedUser. If you can, put them somewhere away from the girls to mature, harvest some pollen and make some seeds.
 

Dylanfurlong

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Does anyone know what this could be in the pic below? Only this plant has it on a few leaves it is the closest one to the co2 tank (which shouldn't matter as I run a tube from it) and the edges are like neon green with only a little dark green in the middle of the leaf ' other leaves on this same plant are showing very light patches of the same thing too .
 

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OldMedUser

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Looks more like a generic aberration than anything nute related. I have an Otto#1 plant that does that on random leaves all over the plant and I'm not concerned at all.

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