Do males produce hermed seeds???

MG Canna

MG Canna

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I know I know......Am I an idiot?? NO!!! But this is tripping me out, and not in a good way like shrooms..

I have noticed this every time I grow a male out to collect pollen. There ARE female hairs popping out in between the male flower clusters. If I let this go until it dies will there be one or three seeds on the plant? I never noticed this until I started breeding and I don't expect anyone to know what Im talking about unless they have bread before. There are only a few hairs coming out...but they are females for sure.

What it looks like to me is that males do the same thing a female would do if it thought it was dieing off.....only to a much lessor degree. Males are half female so I don't see why not.

Any experience with this???
 
chef c

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Ya, I had a plushberry male do this.. I had the same thought, what would happen if I used this male? What would happen with the seeds that get produced within his calyxs, but I wasn't brave enough to use him in any breeding projects and didn't even finish him off.. Just picked a new male and refired on the breeding project... But interusting for sure...
 
budpatch

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MG Canna said:
I know I know......Am I an idiot?? NO!!! But this is tripping me out, and not in a good way like shrooms..

I have noticed this every time I grow a male out to collect pollen. There ARE female hairs popping out in between the male flower clusters. If I let this go until it dies will there be one or three seeds on the plant? I never noticed this until I started breeding and I don't expect anyone to know what Im talking about unless they have bread before. There are only a few hairs coming out...but they are females for sure.

What it looks like to me is that males do the same thing a female would do if it thought it was dieing off.....only to a much lessor degree. Males are half female so I don't see why not.

Any experience with this???
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Hermaphrodites do occur in males, although I'd say that you are very lucky to see it happen "every time" you grow out a male.

Generally this is a rare thing and happens in less than 5% of the males I've run over the years.

Some breeders argue that a male with these qualities will actually produce less hermaphrodite females, but I don't have the evidence to back that up.

BP
 
MG Canna

MG Canna

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Bud-- I haven't been breeding as long as you....only two years, seriously working at it. I spend most of that time growing plants out to find the strains I love. But yes, it's happened to 4 or 5 males in the last year. The latest is my Pike Peak Diesel male. The others were from the Attitude. And Chef C just had his Plushberry do it. I think it's occurring more often because somewhere in the lineage of most strains these days, a fem'd plant was used. But I don't have any clue for sure. I didn't think anyone would have an answer for this. It just isn't something most people would ever get to notice because most of us don't grow males out. I will grow this one out to see if it ends up w/ a seed or two.
 
Pipe Dream

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Males grow these little spike-like growths. You can see them here:
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are you mistaking these for pistils? If not, than you have a hermaphrodite which could come from either male or female pollen. DJ Short says reverse hermaphrodites(males who grow female flowers) are ideal for breeding but I'm not really sure.
 
missnu

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if you mean the hair like things on the top of male flower clusters on the top of the plant? If you notice they aren't sticky at all, and have no smell....it is because they are just a part of normal male plants..they aren't hairs like female hairs...they aren't able to collect pollen and thusly are not female in nature...
 
pointswest

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You don't have a male hermaphrodite, it is just a ordinary hermaphrodite. The male flowers will show, then if grown longer before removing from the grow the female flower will appear. I would guess this was originally a feminized seed that turned hermaphrodite.
 
missnu

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Pipe Dream said:
Males grow these little spike-like growths. You can see them here:
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are you mistaking these for pistils? If not, than you have a hermaphrodite which could come from either male or female pollen. DJ Short says reverse hermaphrodites(males who grow female flowers) are ideal for breeding but I'm not really sure.
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right...this is what I am talking about...any male allowed to finish once they start to drop the pollen sacks you can see the hair things in the top clusters at the top of the plant.
 
missnu

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pointswest said:
You don't have a male hermaphrodite, it is just a ordinary hermaphrodite. The male flowers will show, then if grown longer before removing from the grow the female flower will appear. I would guess this was originally a feminized seed that turned hermaphrodite.
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it is just a male plant...lol
 
MG Canna

MG Canna

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I see what you're talking about. I think these are different. I will put pictures up tonight so we can further discuss this.
 
Capt. Stickyfingers

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pointswest said:
You don't have a male hermaphrodite, it is just a ordinary hermaphrodite. The male flowers will show, then if grown longer before removing from the grow the female flower will appear. I would guess this was originally a feminized seed that turned hermaphrodite.
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Why, because you think only feminized seeds herm? Lmao.
 
pointswest

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Capt. Stickyfingers said:
Why, because you think only feminized seeds herm? Lmao.
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You are the one suggesting this is the case. I never said anything about only fem seeds causing hermies, but in many cases hermies are from the genetic makeup of the feminized seeds. Nothing will be accurately assessed until the OP posts a picture, until then everyone is just guessing.
 
MG Canna

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I would say those are exactly the same as the pistils on a female flower and it IS NOT AT THE TOP OF THE PLANT!!!!!!
 
polyarcturus

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yes they do, it is rare and produces crazy traits when bred i had a bubblegum do this from stress, showed female flowers i bred it with everything. this increases your chance of getting a retard(polypoloidy) plant because of the extra combination of chromosomes made possible.
 
MG Canna

MG Canna

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That's what I wanted to hear....thank you Poly. That is great news cause I'm crossing that PPD to my "perfect" Blue Dream, Boulder cut. At first I thought it was called the Boulder cut because it came from Boulder, not Denver. After growing it out, I new it was called that because the buds are huge!!!:-P

Shit....after reading that statement again, I'm not sure it makes sense to me, Poly. Males have an X and Y chromosome. Females have 2 Y's. If a male inbreeds itself, shouldn't it still have an X and Y chromosome?? What genetic traits change after this occurs?? I'm off to research this and hopefully I will have a definitive answer for everyone.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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t was explained to me by someone else and you would have to do some searching but there is well written article about it somewhere. the extra chromosome is what gives it the special capabilities...... im not sure you would have to do the research yourself i came across the article about a month ago, it was a good read.
 
MG Canna

MG Canna

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polyarcturus said:
t was explained to me by someone else and you would have to do some searching but there is well written article about it somewhere. the extra chromosome is what gives it the special capabilities...... im not sure you would have to do the research yourself i came across the article about a month ago, it was a good read.
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I understand triploids and polyploids. You would use colchicine to make them. There is a ton of info on this, but finding specific info on hermi males....that is a different story. It's barely recognized my most, and it shows by the lack of info on the net.. I don't understand how a male plant produced by a hermi male, when dusted on a female, could produce a polyploid. I need to know now!!:wall:
 
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