Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

"Hemp stalks can be converted to ethanol (with about 20% efficiency by fermentation of hydrolyzed cellulose), into methane (by digestion of the stalks, with 50% efficiency), into producer gas (by thermal gasification at 85% efficiency) and into methanol (by pyrolysis of the stalks, or from producer gas). It is estimated that hemp biomass can yield an equivalent of 1,300 gal/acre of vehicle fuel. Chopped stalks also can be used directly as a boiler fuel. "

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Oil companies do not want anything to do with marijuana/hemp grown large scale.

resinator420 said:

if they were to legilize marijuana in the us ( that is were im talking about) the government would be creating a new regulated market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. Who can compete with perfectly rolld up doobys of the best shit???? Can you???...... Didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the us from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. Legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, chaos.

marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55million people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. What do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? They buy shit, random shit cars, boats, houses, stocks, investment, and everyday things food, cloths, gas, health care products!! Take this money, or market away from america and i think 60% of businesses would sivearly suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the us continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

there would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the real drugs cocaine, heroin, ect.

So vote for decriminalization

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you just got done watching the union

Legalize , forget decriminalization, decriminalization still brings with it tickets and fines, it still brings law enforcement into the equation.

We WANT THE COPS OUT OF IT altogether! The OP's wrong on the idea that the economy will collapse.

H.B. 1134 is a bill in Virginia that is before the House trying to make Marijuana Decriminalized ...but get this ... instead of going to jail for possession you could still be fined up to $500, ...no way ..nuh-uh, not good enough.

$500 ??? !!! NO !!! The court system still trying to make money off of us, what happens when you don't pay that $500? Your ass is picked up on a warrant, thats what !

Some people may think that decriminalization is better than nothing but remember people, before 1937 men and women used Marijuana as they pleased with no repercussion, no scrutiny , and its past time we get back to that, we need to push harder than ever for straight out legalization as this plant should've NEVER been made illegal in the first place.

They in the Govt. can cry "gateway drug" and "save the children" all they want, it is them who have ruined the lives of "the children" and us by putting us in jail for the past 73 years.

NO DECRIMINALIZATION!!! straight out legalization !!! Take the fines out of it, take the penalties out of it damn it!

Can't you see all the cops that would start writing tickets for possession instead of cuffing the person, cops would have writers cramps from all the tickets they would be writing out, then naturally...most people would refuse to pay the ticket, then what? Cops start going out to arrest them for unpaid fines.... you see? Decriminalization would still be set up to keep the drug war going.

Instead of going to jail for possession, people would start going to jail for unpaid fines, and the court people would be "well their not being locked up for possession but for unpaid fines".

Decriminalization IS NO GOOD !!! We need to take law enforcement and the courts slap out of it, and push for straight out legalization like it was before 1937 !!!

The ONLY reason the cops are on it is because WE have turned weed into a high (<---) dollar item.

Master & Commander ... "their greed will be their undoing"

I know this is my first post but I had to respond this....first off your vote is your own personal opion and right and I'll your vote either way! Second if weed is legalized it will happen in california FIRST, and the reason why I bring that up is because if u live in a state where the laws wete less lenient then of course you would say Yes to legalize it because you don't even have the freedom to walk into a cannibuscub and buy some bomb ass shit like I can...legally(albeit not federally). When I was sent to jail in Kentucky for some swag weed I wished that it as legal! But now that I just spent Ten grand on growing equiptment I will vote NO...because that same pound that I sell to cannibus clubs for three g's (give or take) that is then sold by the clubs for doubled will only he worth 1500! And guess what the clubs will still make twice 3000..So since its pretty much legal for me already in california I will vote no.TY.. Forgive me for the improper grammer or spellin but hopefully u get my drift. Us the growers will be the ones screwed Unless u just grow for personal use or have a large wharehouse of course if u have enuf money to buy a offee shop or cannibus club. But if your in some conservative state or country you probably won't understand anyway..either way good luck to all you growers d smokers and thanks for some of thw advice I've read on here..smoke witchu lata!

Juganja and his GREED over money. It should be about THE MOVEMENT, Damn all these Dispensaries and their blood sucking fiending for dollars. I'm for the ailing people and ending their insane prices, I live in Colorado and also an MMJ grower for myself. These dispensaries are charging street prices for herb, damn that shit.

I want to see Cannabis straight out legalized and I want to see top shelf grade "A" one toke herb selling for $100 per OZ.!!! and it would drop that low maybe even lower with full scale legalization because all the illegalities would be removed and even more people would get into growing it with full scale legalization.

Damn the growers who have dollar signs in their eyes. FREE THIS PLANT and damn the greedy people. Wouldn't that be something...one day a person wants a stash but doesn't grow and goes to their local pot shop and buys an ounce of super herb for $50 because its like going to a liquor store and there everywhere because so many people would get into mass production and prices would D-R-O-P like a rock because of legalization.

These dispensaries and growers who are doing it for profit make me sick. All its going to take is ONE STATE to legalize it, then the domino effect happens and other states will fall in. I love this plant and the happiness it brings not only to me but other people, it should be easily affordable to ALL people, and I'm talking Cannabis Cup super strains.

Also all the other things made from the tall growing hemp varieties like rope,fabric,clothes,paints,fuel,building materials and overall helping the environment.

What is the famous quote..."The love of money is the root of all evil"?

LEGALIZE FOR THE PEOPLE and stop thinking about getting rich off struggling people , you damn greedy dispensaries and greedy care takers !!!

I doubt the economy will collapse from weed being legalized. Drug dealers might lose their jobs(big loss there). If it was legalized it would create a lot more LEGAL jobs, that pay taxes unlike drug dealers. Also, who the fuck did the survey that 80% of the cash earned in business comes from marijuana in one way or another. How the fuck can you even tell if it did? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Even if you are right, and the economy did collapse I'd still be happy because I can smoke weed without worrying about being arrested for it.

Resinator420 said:

If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION

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i personally think if the government legalized it the herb would be swagadelict and people would rely on getting top shelf which is where we come into the picture as my myself live in so cal ...peace , love , nature ... prop215 , sb420 , mmp legalization , but to each there own thats my opinion , no disrespect meant . peace and happy grows ...

greenboiii420 said:

Even if you are right, and the economy did collapse I'd still be happy because I can smoke weed without worrying about being arrested for it.

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If the economy collapses, you have no money to smoke weed with, regardless of if you get arrested or not. Also, if the economy collapses, the last thing on your mind should be smoking weed.. stabilizing your financial situation to provide for yourself/your family should come before getting high.

After reading the first post, which pretty much called anyone with common sence and a love of that good ol green an idiot, I got all smoked up and ready to call this guy out. But then I read 20+ pages of u guys tearing him to shreads, so I figure ill go the other way and u guys can hate me all you want.
Maybe legalization isn't that great after all is said and done. Believe it or not most "drug dealers" who u guys say are criminal and live in the slums (lmao at that one) don't at all. They're regular ppl like you and me that enjoy making a profit on one of there favorite things, weed. Back to resinator point about weed money in the economy, its obv. Not as high as he says it is (or as high as he is), but he still makes a decent point. Dealers don't stash money away, they spend it. If uve got the money to make ur life more comfortable, u do so and dealers are no exception. I would say millions of ppl in the US sell weed, at least to there friends, or have sold weed. All those ppl are helping our local economies with their petty profits. In a time of reccession where every little bit helps, learning that selling an ounce a week could feed you for 2 weeks, and improve ur standard of living wouldn't you? This is the choice that legalization takes away from us. If anyone has seen the tv show weeds (one of my favorites) they can see a clearly exaggerated version of what I'm talking about. For those of you in the dark on this great show, the main character sells weed around her suburban gated communtiy to make enough money for her family to live after her husband dies. if weed were legalized in her town, she wouldn't make any money. This is what could happen to the thousands of ppl depending on income from selling to make ends meet. Its not like great jobs are everywhere, but combine a working class job with weed sales you got a comfortable style of life.
We don't need legalization from a smokers standpoint. Decriminalization would suffice for now as long as medicinal marijuanna is also legalzied. Even now, its not like you can't smoke, it illegal yeah, but anyone who can't get weed I feel sorry for, cuz its everywhere. Smoke in private, keep it concealed, and do ur friend a favor and buy off him. You might not realize but u just bought him dinner, or maybe helped him out with rent. Either way its better than ur money goin to that guy in the slums who just stashes and stashes his money away to buy guns and other stereotypical things, right? Lol

After reading the first post, which pretty much called anyone with common sence and a love of that good ol green an idiot, I got all smoked up and ready to call this guy out. But then I read 20+ pages of u guys tearing him to shreads, so I figure ill go the other way and u guys can hate me all you want.
Maybe legalization isn't that great after all is said and done. Believe it or not most "drug dealers" who u guys say are criminal and live in the slums (lmao at that one) don't at all. They're regular ppl like you and me that enjoy making a profit on one of there favorite things, weed. Back to resinator point about weed money in the economy, its obv. Not as high as he says it is (or as high as he is), but he still makes a decent point. Dealers don't stash money away, they spend it. If uve got the money to make ur life more comfortable, u do so and dealers are no exception. I would say millions of ppl in the US sell weed, at least to there friends, or have sold weed. All those ppl are helping our local economies with their petty profits. In a time of reccession where every little bit helps, learning that selling an ounce a week could feed you for 2 weeks, and improve ur standard of living wouldn't you? This is the choice that legalization takes away from us. If anyone has seen the tv show weeds (one of my favorites) they can see a clearly exaggerated version of what I'm talking about. For those of you in the dark on this great show, the main character sells weed around her suburban gated communtiy to make enough money for her family to live after her husband dies. if weed were legalized in her town, she wouldn't make any money. This is what could happen to the thousands of ppl depending on income from selling to make ends meet. Its not like great jobs are everywhere, but combine a working class job with weed sales you got a comfortable style of life.
We don't need legalization from a smokers standpoint. Decriminalization would suffice for now as long as medicinal marijuanna is also legalzied. Even now, its not like you can't smoke, it illegal yeah, but anyone who can't get weed I feel sorry for, cuz its everywhere. Smoke in private, keep it concealed, and do ur friend a favor and buy off him. You might not realize but u just bought him dinner, or maybe helped him out with rent. Either way its better than ur money goin to that guy in the slums who just stashes and stashes his money away to buy guns and other stereotypical things, right? Lol

greenboiii420 said:

If it was legalized the only people losing jobs are drug dealers. They don't pay any income tax anyways they might as well be illegal immigrants.

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Wow, glad I missed this before I started ranting, I think this could be one of the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
First off, unless ur an skilled grower, or a very light smoker, you've had a dealer at one point or another, and he or she risked their ass to provide you with a much needed service. Dealers are the most under appreciated ppl by far. Maybe I've been lucky but I've never had to go through super sketchy deals or shady dealers, just good ppl trying to provide ppl with what they want. And honestly how many ppl have met dealers who don't work a real job or go to school or something? I haven't, so all my dealers pay taxes in their "real jobs" and aren't tryin to evade the system like the illegal immigrants do, there's just not enough money workin for minnimum wage. Ppl can't live like that. Don't hate on them just cuz what they do is illegal. Guess what, we all break the law, and the govt should stop spending money on bullshit before they try and take money out of the pockets of hard working americans

greenishthumb said:

Maybe legalization isn't that great after all is said and done. Believe it or not most "drug dealers" who u guys say are criminal and live in the slums (lmao at that one) don't at all. They're regular ppl like you and me that enjoy making a profit on one of there favorite things, weed.

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I do not think anyone really gives a shit if anyone wants to sell weed. Drug dealers do not just stop at selling weed (for the most part). They are also involved with some sort of harder substance.

Plus, a lot of dealers do not care how old you are they will sell to you. That is absolute horse shit, marijuana IS a drug.. I am not opposed to it being used in responsible situations, and by people who can make responsible decisions. Kids do not need to be smoking weed! That is all there is to it! People who are going to go driving around under the influence, do not need to be smokign weed!

If the dealers were half intelligent about their products and their buyers, I think more people might care about their financial stand point. The other thing, why can't drug dealers just go get an education and an actual occupation instead of selling drugs?

Just food for thought

greenishthumb said:

We don't need legalization from a smokers standpoint. Decriminalization would suffice for now as long as medicinal marijuanna is also legalzied. Even now, its not like you can't smoke, it illegal yeah, but anyone who can't get weed I feel sorry for, cuz its everywhere. Smoke in private, keep it concealed, and do ur friend a favor and buy off him.

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I am pretty with you here. I do not see the big need for legalization really. I want to see medical marijuana legalized, but beyond that it doesn't really matter to me.

Some people are so willing to say marijuana should be legal and then turn around and spread the propaganda and taboo related to other substances without knowing shit about them.

As long as weed is illegal it will stay mixed in with other harder drugs....legalization will clean up weeds rep and allow it become mainstream.

If you want to win over parents, this is the angle....protect their kids...and they'll respond.

CrackerJax said:

As long as weed is illegal it will stay mixed in with other harder drugs....legalization will clean up weeds rep and allow it become mainstream.

If you want to win over parents, this is the angle....protect their kids...and they'll respond.

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Lower the drinking or smoking age, kids will have easier access to it. Make marijuana legal kids will have easier access to it.

If regulation and legalization is a serious idea, it actually needs to be regulated, and those regulations need to be enforced.

Have you guys seen the Supreme Court's ruling stating "No Limit on Corporate Spending on Elections". Good luck getting medical (or decriminilized/legalized) marijuana when pharmaceutical companies can buy representatives to say no.

shepj said:

Lower the drinking or smoking age, kids will have easier access to it. Make marijuana legal kids will have easier access to it.

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When I was in highschool it was easier for me to get cannabis than alcohol. Right now I'd say pretty much every kid in America could score some bud if they wanted to.

I don't think it'll make it any easier. There is already market saturation.

shepj said:

. Good luck getting medical (or decriminilized/legalized) marijuana when pharmaceutical companies can buy representatives to say no.

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Actually the biggest spenders when it comes to opposing legalization are not the pharmaceutical industry or alcohol industry. It's the prison industry. They hands down fight legalization harder than anyone else. Legalization means a lot less people in jail which kills their profits.

The prison guards union in particular are the biggest opponents. Legalization means guards will lose their jobs.

i still think - you cannot go by the false assumption that our current prohibition laws stop even one person from ingesting weed if they so choose.. as stated - it is everywhere.. remember again - there aren't people dealing cans of beer at school all the time - a few i admit - but, so many fewer than those who deal in weed because alcohol is not a black market commodity.. thank god...

Dan Kone said:

Actually the biggest spenders when it comes to opposing legalization are not the pharmaceutical industry or alcohol industry. It's the prison industry. They hands down fight legalization harder than anyone else. Legalization means a lot less people in jail which kills their profits.

The prison guards union in particular are the biggest opponents. Legalization means guards will lose their jobs.

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How do you figure?

Let's say ~750,000 people are arrested (at the rate of $50,000/person/year incarceration).

You think that holds a candle to the medical uses of marijuana? Let me give you an idea of what I am talking about...

Medical Marijuana (potential uses):

Nausea
Vomiting
Premenstrual Syndrome
Unintentional Weight Loss
anorexia nervosa
Lack of Appetite
Muscular Hypertonicity
Neurogenic Pain
Movement Disorders
Asthma
Glaucoma
Inflammatory Bowel Disease (Crohn's Disease and Ulcerative Colitis)
Migraines
Fibromyalgia
Multiple Sclerosis (relieves symptoms)
Spinal Cord Injuries
Tourette Syndrome (via reducing vocal and motor tics)
Obsessive&#8211;Compulsive Disorders
Alcohol Abuse (useful in treating)
Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis
Collagen-Induced Arthritis
Atherosclerosis
Rheumatoid Arthritis
Autism
Bipolar Disorder
Childhood Mental Disorders
Depression
Colorectal Cancer
Dystonia
Diabetic Retinopathy
Epilepsy
Digestive Diseases
Gliomas
Hepatitis C
Huntington's Disease
Hypertension
Urinary Incontinence
Leukemia
Skin Tumors
Morning Sickness
Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA)
Parkinson's Disease
Pruritus
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
Sickle-Cell Disease
Sleep Apnea
Edema
Radiolopathy
Muscle Spasms
Multiple Sclerosis
Degenerative Bone/Disc Disease
Insomnia


Wow.. my fingers hurt. So this is just what I have found (within a few minutes at that) that marijuana can be used for, WITHOUT the side effects of prescription medication.

Still think it is the Prison Industry and not the Pharmaceutical Industry?

shepj said:

Still think it is the Prison Industry and not the Pharmaceutical Industry?

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Yes. I'm sure of it. This is not my opinion. It is a fact.

I'm just telling you the reality of the situation. No one is apposing legalization as much as the prison industry. They are spending the most money and creating the most fuss about it.

Maybe the pharmaceutical industry has more to lose in the long term, I don't know. But the #1 opponent of legalization at this time is the prison industry with police/sheriffs a distant second. No other special interest group comes close to these two right now.

Maybe that will change as November gets closer, but as of now that is the way it is and according to the people doing opposition research it's projected to stay that way.

Call Tom Ammiano's office or Oaksterdam university and they'll tell you the exact same thing.

shepj said:

Wow.. my fingers hurt. So this is just what I have found (within a few minutes at that) that marijuana can be used for, WITHOUT the side effects of prescription medication.

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The thing about that is you're projecting a lot of additional use of marijuana if it becomes legal. I'm sure there will be an increase, but not a large permanent one.

Most people do have access to marijuana now.

Yes, marijauna doesn't have the same side effects as perscription drugs for treating these same symptoms. But it does have another side effect, it gets you high. It's not for everyone. Most people can't handle smoking a joint before work, but can take a pill that doesn't get you high.

Legalization will certainly have an impact on the pham industry, but not all people are going to choose marijuana over their old pharm's.