do seeds have better yield than clone

NoobRyder said:

yeah, i know that yield isn't lowryder obviously. but i was wondering if you breed lowryder aswell...

you should, they are hot cakes...need to find a cheap supplier.

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WoldofWeedcraft said:

Wow 12 weeks that's amazing. You definately have it down to a science.

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Aztros said:

Ok so I've been growing for awhile and am proud to say I have produced a lot of amazing buds. I've done seeds, and I've done clones. If you think about the word clone, what exactly does it mean... Well, a clone is a copy. That's right, I said a copy. Genetically exactly the same as the seed mother it was cut from. I have grown both out side by side of my white widow. I found 2 female seeds and had 2 cuttings taken that grew along with it. One of each I topped. Both the un-topped plants and the topped plants were within an eighth of each other after everything was dried. I'm just saying, what I have learned from trial and error. People will argue either side and there is really no changing some peoples opinions. My only argument is my own data taken. Faster production, same quality cause it's genetically the same plant, and smokes exactly the same. Not to mention you don't have to sex them out. If you bring up the feminized seed argument then I know your bullshitting cause those definitely are inferior plants (again from my experience). Take this how you will, I'm not looking for an argument. Good luck to you all. Hope this helped someone.

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NoobRyder said:

still didn't answer about yield though.

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jesus420 said:

seeds vs. clones.

yield is unrelated to the method of propagation.

you can get a bigger yield in a shorter amount of time from clones (as you already have a partially developed plants by the time it roots.

but yield is proportional to plant size during veg (length of vegetative growth), amount/type of lighting/soil(nutes)/hydrovs.soil/and other environmental conditions determine yield.

seed or clone both have same potential for yield assuming same genetics.

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OregonMeds said:

True you can get a bigger yield in a shorter time with clones.
True yield is proportional to to veg time.
False seed and clone both have same potential for yield.

The benefit to using clones is when you select your mothers properly. With any handfull of 100 seeds or whatever all those seeds will produce organisms which are different. Some will be short, some tall, some fat, some skinny.... Like people or anything else.

When you select your mother plant you choose the best monster out of all the seeds you have sprouted. The more seeds you've gone through to get to that mother the better, but then after that all the clones from her are identical to her, same plant, same monster killer producer each and every single time.

You can't get that kind of 100% steady monster production from seed.

And seed vs clone has absolutely zero to do with taste or cannibas cup winning or whatever. Both would taste the same, it the soil or nutes that affects the taste, not if it's a clone or a seed.

Those are some nice pics of weed there but that proves nothing. All that proves is that if that is your best monster female you should have cloned her so all your plants produce equally as well and quit screwing around with seeds because their size and yields are always more random.

Also clones or mothers or clones of clones perpetually don't degrade in any way. You have that monster perfect plant for life if you keep it going.

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OregonMeds said:

False seed and clone both have same potential for yield.

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Also clones or mothers or clones of clones perpetually don't degrade in any way. You have that monster perfect plant for life if you keep it going.

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OregonMeds said:

Clones are always faster and more productive. Anyone that claims otherwise just doesn't know better.

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jesus420 said:

granted if you have a great mother plant with excellent genetics of course every clone of that plant will have the same great genetics, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's a clone, just has to do with the genetics of the mother plant.

if you flowered that mother which originally came from seed and flowered a clone of that mother both with equal vegetative growth and environmental conditions you would get identical yields.

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not 100 percent true although this is exaggerated among growers. they look at the word clone and see it as true cloning which does have a limited number of applications.

however taking cuttings isn't truly cloning, it's actually taking advantage of plants unique ability to regenerate and grow indefinitely without sex.

essentially every clone is just an extension of the original plant as they all contain actual cells from the original plant.

everytime DNA replicates certain end sections called "telomeres" are removed, now DNA strands have exceptionally long telomeres so they can be replicated trillions of times without fail but once those telomeres start getting short the functional part of the DNA can be "clipped" off instead of the non-functioning telomere mutating the DNA and causing big problems.

DNA strand with telomeres:

the D's are functional DNA, the t's are non-functional telomeres.


Brand new DNA:

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDtttttttttttt

Same DNA after 1 trillion replications:

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDttt

same DNA after 1 trillion more replications:

DDDDDDDDD

so over time you there is potential to destroy/corrupt DNA after it has been replicated so many times, DNA is replicated every time a cell divides, so this happens millions-billions of times in every plant.

however, this would take a very long line of clones, but i imagine some of the clone only strains will eventually get to the point where they are no longer viable.

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HOHO said:

ok i understand that clones are the best for production becuz of reliability,but why do they say that mothers should always be from seed? is there something special that gets cut away from a clone?

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Boneman said:

If you seed a clone and then clone a seed the seeds produced contain the entire molecular structure of mutant ninja strains that produce buds so huge they eat small house pets.

There you have it!

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jesus420 said:

granted if you have a great mother plant with excellent genetics of course every clone of that plant will have the same great genetics, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's a clone, just has to do with the genetics of the mother plant.

if you flowered that mother which originally came from seed and flowered a clone of that mother both with equal vegetative growth and environmental conditions you would get identical yields.

'
not 100 percent true although this is exaggerated among growers. they look at the word clone and see it as true cloning which does have a limited number of applications.

however taking cuttings isn't truly cloning, it's actually taking advantage of plants unique ability to regenerate and grow indefinitely without sex.

essentially every clone is just an extension of the original plant as they all contain actual cells from the original plant.

everytime DNA replicates certain end sections called "telomeres" are removed, now DNA strands have exceptionally long telomeres so they can be replicated trillions of times without fail but once those telomeres start getting short the functional part of the DNA can be "clipped" off instead of the non-functioning telomere mutating the DNA and causing big problems.

DNA strand with telomeres:

the D's are functional DNA, the t's are non-functional telomeres.


Brand new DNA:

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDtttttttttttt

Same DNA after 1 trillion replications:

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDttt

same DNA after 1 trillion more replications:

DDDDDDDDD

so over time you there is potential to destroy/corrupt DNA after it has been replicated so many times, DNA is replicated every time a cell divides, so this happens millions-billions of times in every plant.

however, this would take a very long line of clones, but i imagine some of the clone only strains will eventually get to the point where they are no longer viable.

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